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Anonymous wrote:Which other salaried professionals have “contract hours”? Salaried professionals work until the work is done even if that means staying a couple hours later. Even if that means taking work home. If teachers want to work like hourly workers they should not expect to be treated like anything more.

Omg - this. You are salaried!,I used to be a big supporter of teachers, and I still think it’s a ridiculously hard job. BUT, I am sooo tired of the whining about having to work outside the classroom. If you hate teaching, or the system, go get another job!

They are. That's a huge issue. Have you looked at the news lately? Teachers are leaving and no one is replacing them because of people like you who think you should be allowed to have just a little slavery, since it's for the kids.

Anonymous wrote:Which other salaried professionals have “contract hours”? Salaried professionals work until the work is done even if that means staying a couple hours later. Even if that means taking work home. If teachers want to work like hourly workers they should not expect to be treated like anything more.

Omg - this. You are salaried!,I used to be a big supporter of teachers, and I still think it’s a ridiculously hard job. BUT, I am sooo tired of the whining about having to work outside the classroom. If you hate teaching, or the system, go get another job!

Anonymous wrote:Which other salaried professionals have “contract hours”? Salaried professionals work until the work is done even if that means staying a couple hours later. Even if that means taking work home. If teachers want to work like hourly workers they should not expect to be treated like anything more.

Seriously just get a clue. Teachers ALREADY work many hours beyond contract hours just to get the BARE minimum of work done. 125 students, one assignment to grade…2 minutes per item? That’s 4 extra hours of work for every assignment. Now, what teacher actually only spends 2 minutes per item? If it’s an English teacher, we are talking 5 minutes, so that’s 9 hours of work, per assignment.

That doesn’t even take into account actually PLANNING for instruction, responding to as%hole parents like this, etc. so Yeah. Teacher are already working a LOT of hours past “contract”. No one should be expecting them to do free unpaid tutoring after school on top of that. No.

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Anonymous wrote:Teacher will no longer stay after school to help the students that needs it, and will only grade every few weeks. She will no longer grade assignments when they are turn in. and Late assignments will only be graded at the end of the quarter. No grade penalty will be given but still. MY DD earned B last quarter in her class, if she wanted to stay after school for help she wouldn't be able to.. How is this legal? If a student isn't doing well how would they get help if she doesn't stay after school?

Tutoring? Teachers aren’t required to stay after.

since, when? I emailed her on Friday to see if this is true and of course she isn't going to respond to me on the weekends......

Every time I email a teacher on a Friday night, they respond to me by Sunday morning.

FFS. Stop expecting teachers to work when it is not work time. We are all better at our jobs when we can rest from them. For God’s sake, you are horrible.

Anonymous wrote:Teacher will no longer stay after school to help the students that needs it, and will only grade every few weeks. She will no longer grade assignments when they are turn in. and Late assignments will only be graded at the end of the quarter. No grade penalty will be given but still. MY DD earned B last quarter in her class, if she wanted to stay after school for help she wouldn't be able to.. How is this legal? If a student isn't doing well how would they get help if she doesn't stay after school?

How is this “legal”?!? It’s not criminal for teachers to work the hours they are paid and no more. Most likely, that teacher is going home to hours more prep and grading.

The only thing that's objectionable is not grading assignments in a timely manner, and I don't really believe that she announced that.

Grading late assignments whenever she gets to it is fair--if it wasn't a priority for your student, they don't need the feedback that badly. Part of the problem with late assignments is that with FCPS's late policy, copies of one assignment can stream in for weeks after the due date. So it makes sense to wait until they're all in and grade them all together at that point. And it's incredibly galling to have a student take an assessment late, and then show up the next morning and ask you if you've graded it yet (because they are the center of your universe).

Many of us have office hours after school. Others don't because they have things to do--some have their own children to take care of, some have other jobs, some are studying for advanced degrees...

Your student has an advisory period every other day for the purpose of getting help from teachers. Many students waste that time doing nothing and then scramble like mad around deadlines and make all sorts of demands on teachers' time: "Can I come during your lunch?" "Can I come during your planning period because I have a study hall?" "Can I come on this day after school instead of your office hour days because I won't be in school that day/I have practice/ I have a club meeting/I have whatever..." and if you say yes they might still not show up or come in and tell you that something came up and they can't stay today after all and can they come tomorrow.

You would also be shocked at the number of students who say things like "I spaced out in class/I wasn't there that day and I need to come in after school so you can reteach me the lesson." I accommodated people like that my first year and learned my lesson, and the answer now is a flat out "no." I had one this year who did nothing for an entire quarter--took no notes, did no homework, bombed everything, and then came to see me and said she wanted me to "reteach her everything." Needless to say, she has dropped the class.

Anonymous wrote:You are being utterly wrongheaded because you lack DISCERNMENT.

Here's what matters. The teacher doing their job. They need to provide the learning outcomes for each unit, need to provide some sort of instructional materials for those units BEFORE or SHORTLY AFTER teaching those to the students. ALL of these instructional materials (power points and videos) should be uploaded and available to the student BEFORE assessments. So, no quizzes or tests UNLESS the student actually has complete access to what they need to learn (teaching a unit but failing to provide the underlying instructional materials like videos or powerpoints or just learning outcomes list) is unacceptable. And all grading need to be completed in a timely manner in accordance with the school's policy for grading.

That's it. They don't need to tutor (it's nice but really there's free tutoring online). They don't need to do anything else.

The issue is that teachers fail to do the first paragraph -- even when they do extra like tutoring. The problem is the student doesn't know what literally they need to learn and parents freak out because they can't find lessons and it's a crap show.

Get clear on what is being asked of your student. Then it's on you and them to learn it.

I work with plenty of teachers in MS who don’t use Schoology. The kids have access to the materials/instruction in their notebooks.

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Anonymous wrote:Which other salaried professionals have “contract hours”? Salaried professionals work until the work is done even if that means staying a couple hours later. Even if that means taking work home. If teachers want to work like hourly workers they should not expect to be treated like anything more.

Interesting point. You seem to be implying that treating teachers like hourly workers would result in teachers being treated worse than they currently are. Would you care to elaborate on how you would do that? How exactly could you treat teachers worse than what they already deal with regularly? Pay them less than other similarly educated professionals? Treat them with less respect? Ignore their legitimate concerns and needs? Increase class sizes? Put pressure on them to differentiate to the needs of 20+ students in such a way that all students pass incredibly questionable testing goals? Insult them for daring to have any sort of life outside of their job? Constantly question their decisions, professionalism, or work ethic?

Nurses. Physical therapists. Actual therapists. Pretty much any job involving direct services to people.

Hell, I am physician and when I work in the ER, I am paid an hourly rate and walk out the door and hand off my pager once my contracted hours ends.

Anonymous wrote:Which other salaried professionals have “contract hours”? Salaried professionals work until the work is done even if that means staying a couple hours later. Even if that means taking work home. If teachers want to work like hourly workers they should not expect to be treated like anything more.

Interesting point. You seem to be implying that treating teachers like hourly workers would result in teachers being treated worse than they currently are. Would you care to elaborate on how you would do that? How exactly could you treat teachers worse than what they already deal with regularly? Pay them less than other similarly educated professionals? Treat them with less respect? Ignore their legitimate concerns and needs? Increase class sizes? Put pressure on them to differentiate to the needs of 20+ students in such a way that all students pass incredibly questionable testing goals? Insult them for daring to have any sort of life outside of their job? Constantly question their decisions, professionalism, or work ethic?

The only thing you can be upset about is the grading timeline. Find out if it is true and if it is, reach out to the principal.

You are being utterly wrongheaded because you lack DISCERNMENT.

Here's what matters. The teacher doing their job. They need to provide the learning outcomes for each unit, need to provide some sort of instructional materials for those units BEFORE or SHORTLY AFTER teaching those to the students. ALL of these instructional materials (power points and videos) should be uploaded and available to the student BEFORE assessments. So, no quizzes or tests UNLESS the student actually has complete access to what they need to learn (teaching a unit but failing to provide the underlying instructional materials like videos or powerpoints or just learning outcomes list) is unacceptable. And all grading need to be completed in a timely manner in accordance with the school's policy for grading.

That's it. They don't need to tutor (it's nice but really there's free tutoring online). They don't need to do anything else.

The issue is that teachers fail to do the first paragraph -- even when they do extra like tutoring. The problem is the student doesn't know what literally they need to learn and parents freak out because they can't find lessons and it's a crap show.

Get clear on what is being asked of your student. Then it's on you and them to learn it.

I worked a salaried job. Nobody stayed after hours or took work home, or provided anything for work. Supplies were re-stocked regularly.

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Anonymous wrote:Which other salaried professionals have “contract hours”? Salaried professionals work until the work is done even if that means staying a couple hours later. Even if that means taking work home. If teachers want to work like hourly workers they should not expect to be treated like anything more.

Lots of government (local and federal) workers push their chair in and leave at a certain time even if the work isn't completed.

And office employees. I worked at a few companies where the parking lot at 5pm and 5:05pm are two different scenarios.

Yes, computers shut down and 4:55 pm and the employees are gone.

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Anonymous wrote:Which other salaried professionals have “contract hours”? Salaried professionals work until the work is done even if that means staying a couple hours later. Even if that means taking work home. If teachers want to work like hourly workers they should not expect to be treated like anything more.

Nurses, Fed employees, State employees, my DC works for a large defense contractor and they work set hours…..

What salaried professionals are expected to provide their own supplies to do their jobs? Even working for the government I had access to unlimited office supplies and didn't need to enter a code to make photocopies. I also wasn't expecting to check/answer my email from home and I got credit hours for those worked above 40 hours per week.

Anonymous wrote:Which other salaried professionals have “contract hours”? Salaried professionals work until the work is done even if that means staying a couple hours later. Even if that means taking work home. If teachers want to work like hourly workers they should not expect to be treated like anything more.

Nurses, Fed employees, State employees, my DC works for a large defense contractor and they work set hours…..