Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 16:29     Subject: Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is getting the $$$$ - at the top- and American tax payer play da fool.



Good summary
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 16:25     Subject: Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
I think the point that Ukraine has to take some Russian land; then “lose” it back is a valid way to give Russia a win and way out of the war.

Russians are literally savages when it comes to warfare. You think they lost 20-27 million people in world war 2 by saving their own peoples lives as a top priority? They got that many people killed because they simply don’t give a damn about any life.
The only thing that matters is some warped national pride of winning. Winning at any cost; sports they cheat; warfare they are basic barbarians.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 16:01     Subject: Re:Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is an easy win-win here, and that is let the Russian populated parts go to Russia. Then they can have a clean break from Russia and go their own way. They will never be able to effectively govern these parts anyway.

Russia had those parts and still invaded the entire country anyway.

Russia did not invade the entire country. Russia never meant to invade all of Ukraine. Russian generals are not idiots who think you can invade all of Ukraine with 180K soldiers.


Russian generals are idiots who thought they could take Kiev in 3 days via Hostomel airport
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 14:56     Subject: Re:Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is an easy win-win here, and that is let the Russian populated parts go to Russia. Then they can have a clean break from Russia and go their own way. They will never be able to effectively govern these parts anyway.

Russia had those parts and still invaded the entire country anyway.

Russia did not invade the entire country. Russia never meant to invade all of Ukraine. Russian generals are not idiots who think you can invade all of Ukraine with 180K soldiers.


But apparently they ARE idiots because they are getting their @sses kicked by some random satellite country.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 14:55     Subject: Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is getting the $$$$ - at the top- and American tax payer play da fool.


I don't like the US getting entangled in foreign wars. But time and time again we have sent our money to overseas locations - Iraq ring a bell? - because reasons. We feel we have strategic reasons for wanting to (fill in the blank). I think Putin wants to re establish the former USSR and apparently, our analysts don't think that would be a good idea. I hate that it costs us money but don't you think it's probably a good idea for us to NOT give Putin whatever he wants on a silver platter? What would you just shrug as he invades a sovereign country? What if he turns on another one next? He's killing innocent civilians, you think we should just shrug?


Without costing a US military life, the US and the world has managed to bring the Russians to their knees. Why is this bad? Don't we want to stop the bullies?


Thank you for confirming you only count the American dead, everyone else is just noise.


Different poster here, that's not true or fair. We do have an obligation to protect and preserve the lives of our citizens first and foremost. We are not the agressors here. And it's RUSSIA that is treating human lives like "just noise".
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 14:52     Subject: Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is getting the $$$$ - at the top- and American tax payer play da fool.


I don't like the US getting entangled in foreign wars. But time and time again we have sent our money to overseas locations - Iraq ring a bell? - because reasons. We feel we have strategic reasons for wanting to (fill in the blank). I think Putin wants to re establish the former USSR and apparently, our analysts don't think that would be a good idea. I hate that it costs us money but don't you think it's probably a good idea for us to NOT give Putin whatever he wants on a silver platter? What would you just shrug as he invades a sovereign country? What if he turns on another one next? He's killing innocent civilians, you think we should just shrug?


Without costing a US military life, the US and the world has managed to bring the Russians to their knees. Why is this bad? Don't we want to stop the bullies?


Thank you for confirming you only count the American dead, everyone else is just noise.


??? Russia is one who can stop all of this killing.


If Russia stopped fighting, the Ukraine would go right back to shelling civilians in the Donbas, like they did from 14-22.


You mean after Russia sent in it's little green men and declared the region independent?



You should ask your pals Barack and Joe about that, they were the ones who said fine.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 14:50     Subject: Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
Anonymous wrote:Invading Russia doesn’t usually end well for the invading force. Plus Ukraine doesn’t *want* more Russians in its borders.

Ukraine’s best bet is to keep bleeding Russia for another season and then negotiate a cease fire under the best terms possible, likely surrendering Crimea and parts of Eastern Ukraine.


Ukraine should not surrender one inch of land to Russia!
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 14:34     Subject: Re:Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is an easy win-win here, and that is let the Russian populated parts go to Russia. Then they can have a clean break from Russia and go their own way. They will never be able to effectively govern these parts anyway.

Russia had those parts and still invaded the entire country anyway.

Russia did not invade the entire country. Russia never meant to invade all of Ukraine. Russian generals are not idiots who think you can invade all of Ukraine with 180K soldiers.


Russia attempted to take Kiev militarily. That is a fact.

If they had succeeded, they obviously expected ALL of Ukraine to fall under their control.

After the 2014 Russian deceptions succeeded in taking all of Crimea, the Russians had good reason to believe they could take all of Ukraine just as easily.

PP: stop making stupid arguments. No one believes your nonsense.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 14:30     Subject: Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is getting the $$$$ - at the top- and American tax payer play da fool.


I don't like the US getting entangled in foreign wars. But time and time again we have sent our money to overseas locations - Iraq ring a bell? - because reasons. We feel we have strategic reasons for wanting to (fill in the blank). I think Putin wants to re establish the former USSR and apparently, our analysts don't think that would be a good idea. I hate that it costs us money but don't you think it's probably a good idea for us to NOT give Putin whatever he wants on a silver platter? What would you just shrug as he invades a sovereign country? What if he turns on another one next? He's killing innocent civilians, you think we should just shrug?


Without costing a US military life, the US and the world has managed to bring the Russians to their knees. Why is this bad? Don't we want to stop the bullies?


Thank you for confirming you only count the American dead, everyone else is just noise.


??? Russia is one who can stop all of this killing.


If Russia stopped fighting, the Ukraine would go right back to shelling civilians in the Donbas, like they did from 14-22.


You mean after Russia sent in it's little green men and declared the region independent?


You mean after the lawful government was overthrown in a coup? People are just supposed to be ok with that and not object?


Wrong. You realize you are repeating Kremlin propaganda and perpetuating a lie, right?
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 14:05     Subject: Re:Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is an easy win-win here, and that is let the Russian populated parts go to Russia. Then they can have a clean break from Russia and go their own way. They will never be able to effectively govern these parts anyway.

Russia had those parts and still invaded the entire country anyway.

Russia did not invade the entire country. Russia never meant to invade all of Ukraine. Russian generals are not idiots who think you can invade all of Ukraine with 180K soldiers.

Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 14:02     Subject: Re:Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is an easy win-win here, and that is let the Russian populated parts go to Russia. Then they can have a clean break from Russia and go their own way. They will never be able to effectively govern these parts anyway.

Russia had those parts and still invaded the entire country anyway.

Russia did not invade the entire country. Russia never meant to invade all of Ukraine. Russian generals are not idiots who think you can invade all of Ukraine with 180K soldiers.

You’ll have to present more evidence that Russian generals aren’t idiots. This is making them look bad.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 13:08     Subject: Re:Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is an easy win-win here, and that is let the Russian populated parts go to Russia. Then they can have a clean break from Russia and go their own way. They will never be able to effectively govern these parts anyway.

Russia had those parts and still invaded the entire country anyway.

Russia did not invade the entire country. Russia never meant to invade all of Ukraine. Russian generals are not idiots who think you can invade all of Ukraine with 180K soldiers.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 13:06     Subject: Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
Are you out of your mind? Did you forget a small thing called nukes that Ukraine does not have and Russia does?
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 11:37     Subject: Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is getting the $$$$ - at the top- and American tax payer play da fool.


I don't like the US getting entangled in foreign wars. But time and time again we have sent our money to overseas locations - Iraq ring a bell? - because reasons. We feel we have strategic reasons for wanting to (fill in the blank). I think Putin wants to re establish the former USSR and apparently, our analysts don't think that would be a good idea. I hate that it costs us money but don't you think it's probably a good idea for us to NOT give Putin whatever he wants on a silver platter? What would you just shrug as he invades a sovereign country? What if he turns on another one next? He's killing innocent civilians, you think we should just shrug?


Without costing a US military life, the US and the world has managed to bring the Russians to their knees. Why is this bad? Don't we want to stop the bullies?


Thank you for confirming you only count the American dead, everyone else is just noise.


??? Russia is one who can stop all of this killing.


If Russia stopped fighting, the Ukraine would go right back to shelling civilians in the Donbas, like they did from 14-22.


You mean after Russia sent in it's little green men and declared the region independent?


You mean after the lawful government was overthrown in a coup? People are just supposed to be ok with that and not object?
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2023 11:27     Subject: Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is getting the $$$$ - at the top- and American tax payer play da fool.


I don't like the US getting entangled in foreign wars. But time and time again we have sent our money to overseas locations - Iraq ring a bell? - because reasons. We feel we have strategic reasons for wanting to (fill in the blank). I think Putin wants to re establish the former USSR and apparently, our analysts don't think that would be a good idea. I hate that it costs us money but don't you think it's probably a good idea for us to NOT give Putin whatever he wants on a silver platter? What would you just shrug as he invades a sovereign country? What if he turns on another one next? He's killing innocent civilians, you think we should just shrug?


Without costing a US military life, the US and the world has managed to bring the Russians to their knees. Why is this bad? Don't we want to stop the bullies?


Thank you for confirming you only count the American dead, everyone else is just noise.


??? Russia is one who can stop all of this killing.


If Russia stopped fighting, the Ukraine would go right back to shelling civilians in the Donbas, like they did from 14-22.


You mean after Russia sent in it's little green men and declared the region independent?