Anonymous
01/26/2023 16:13
Subject: MCAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:oic, for MCPS:
31% avg math proficiency for grades 3–8,
53% avg ELA proficiency for grades 3–8.
great to be front of the pack, mcps
That is SO bad. And incredibly disheartening. Is it simply due to demographic changes, or is there more to it? And, why isn't MCPS discussing this? I'd like to see some media coverage of these abysmal results, if anyone out there has access to a media outlet.
MCPS spends an obscene amount of money per pupil - is this the best MCPS has to offer?
Well, not really; it's 31%, according to the random people who simply made up this test. It's not like anyone ever took it and got over 50% anywhere. It's just a bad test the state made up and is now pushing on kids. They need to go back to the PARC which at least was reliable and you could see how our state compared with others.
Well then how do you explain other counties doing consistently better?
Which other counties are doing consistently better, since this is just the 2nd year they have given this test?
PARCC, MCAP, not that different, and they've been conducting those state level exams for several years. And there are a few counties that consistently do better. I don't know what their FARMs look like, but if it's on par with MCPS, then really, there's no excuse.
Wish they'd go back to PARCC since at least that's been used in other places.
Right now, PARCC is only used in DC and 1 other state. Every other state that used to give PARCC dropped it.
At least it was used here in the past and elsewhere. MCAP seems like it's still in the alpha test phase since everyone whoever takes it fails which makes me think it's the test but we really have no basis for comparison.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 15:56
Subject: MCAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:oic, for MCPS:
31% avg math proficiency for grades 3–8,
53% avg ELA proficiency for grades 3–8.
great to be front of the pack, mcps
That is SO bad. And incredibly disheartening. Is it simply due to demographic changes, or is there more to it? And, why isn't MCPS discussing this? I'd like to see some media coverage of these abysmal results, if anyone out there has access to a media outlet.
MCPS spends an obscene amount of money per pupil - is this the best MCPS has to offer?
Well, not really; it's 31%, according to the random people who simply made up this test. It's not like anyone ever took it and got over 50% anywhere. It's just a bad test the state made up and is now pushing on kids. They need to go back to the PARC which at least was reliable and you could see how our state compared with others.
Well then how do you explain other counties doing consistently better?
Which other counties are doing consistently better, since this is just the 2nd year they have given this test?
I don't know if it's consistent, but the report shows that in Math 3-8 Howard, Worcester, Carroll and Calvert did better. For Algebra those + Queen Anne, Frederick and Garrett.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 15:49
Subject: MCAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:oic, for MCPS:
31% avg math proficiency for grades 3–8,
53% avg ELA proficiency for grades 3–8.
great to be front of the pack, mcps
That is SO bad. And incredibly disheartening. Is it simply due to demographic changes, or is there more to it? And, why isn't MCPS discussing this? I'd like to see some media coverage of these abysmal results, if anyone out there has access to a media outlet.
MCPS spends an obscene amount of money per pupil - is this the best MCPS has to offer?
Well, not really; it's 31%, according to the random people who simply made up this test. It's not like anyone ever took it and got over 50% anywhere. It's just a bad test the state made up and is now pushing on kids. They need to go back to the PARC which at least was reliable and you could see how our state compared with others.
Well then how do you explain other counties doing consistently better?
Which other counties are doing consistently better, since this is just the 2nd year they have given this test?
PARCC, MCAP, not that different, and they've been conducting those state level exams for several years. And there are a few counties that consistently do better. I don't know what their FARMs look like, but if it's on par with MCPS, then really, there's no excuse.
Wish they'd go back to PARCC since at least that's been used in other places.
Right now, PARCC is only used in DC and 1 other state. Every other state that used to give PARCC dropped it.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 15:43
Subject: MCAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:oic, for MCPS:
31% avg math proficiency for grades 3–8,
53% avg ELA proficiency for grades 3–8.
great to be front of the pack, mcps
That is SO bad. And incredibly disheartening. Is it simply due to demographic changes, or is there more to it? And, why isn't MCPS discussing this? I'd like to see some media coverage of these abysmal results, if anyone out there has access to a media outlet.
MCPS spends an obscene amount of money per pupil - is this the best MCPS has to offer?
Well, not really; it's 31%, according to the random people who simply made up this test. It's not like anyone ever took it and got over 50% anywhere. It's just a bad test the state made up and is now pushing on kids. They need to go back to the PARC which at least was reliable and you could see how our state compared with others.
Yep
Anonymous
01/26/2023 15:42
Subject: MCAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:oic, for MCPS:
31% avg math proficiency for grades 3–8,
53% avg ELA proficiency for grades 3–8.
great to be front of the pack, mcps
That is SO bad. And incredibly disheartening. Is it simply due to demographic changes, or is there more to it? And, why isn't MCPS discussing this? I'd like to see some media coverage of these abysmal results, if anyone out there has access to a media outlet.
MCPS spends an obscene amount of money per pupil - is this the best MCPS has to offer?
Well, not really; it's 31%, according to the random people who simply made up this test. It's not like anyone ever took it and got over 50% anywhere. It's just a bad test the state made up and is now pushing on kids. They need to go back to the PARC which at least was reliable and you could see how our state compared with others.
Well then how do you explain other counties doing consistently better?
Which other counties are doing consistently better, since this is just the 2nd year they have given this test?
PARCC, MCAP, not that different, and they've been conducting those state level exams for several years. And there are a few counties that consistently do better. I don't know what their FARMs look like, but if it's on par with MCPS, then really, there's no excuse.
Wish they'd go back to PARCC since at least that's been used in other places.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 15:41
Subject: MCAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:algebra 1 proficiency rate is only 20% in mcps, very impressive.
IMO the reason for this is:
1. math requires repetition, be it classwork or HW. During the pandemic, there was very little of either. Pre-pandemic there was some; post pandemic, too many MS are focused on "social emotional" learning rather than academic learning, so again, very little HW.
2. reading doesn't require HW. They read in social studies, in science, even in math, so they get plenty of reading "practice"
3. I noted that Asian Americans students saw a steep decline. This goes against what some believe that majority of Asian American students have math tutors. The numbers indicate that they didn't have tutors during the pandemic, at least.
Algebra is the most important math class. These numbers are truly abysmal, and it will become more obvious as the kids get into higher level math.
FWIW, my DC was taking Algebra during the virtual learning during the pandemic. I saw the grades slide, so I got them an Algebra workbook online. I didn't tutor DC, just had DC do extra work because I was afraid of exactly what the data is showing. DC's Algebra MCAP score was "approached expectations". I guess I should've tutored DC. And yea, I'm Asian American.
If I look at the MCPS Fall 2021 MCAP for Alg:
94% approached expectations
5% met
1% exceeded
There's nothing we can do about the past, but we can certainly learn from it, and fix it going forward. And that includes more math HW. But still, I'm not seeing much math HW. DC is now in Alg 2, getting an A/B. I fear what will happen in Precalc/Calc.
Is there any place where this test has been used where students met expectations? No, it's a new test they just made up and it's never been used so the results aren't meaningful, but the other national tests that are given indicate that students are doing great compared to their peers in other states.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 15:08
Subject: MCAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:oic, for MCPS:
31% avg math proficiency for grades 3–8,
53% avg ELA proficiency for grades 3–8.
great to be front of the pack, mcps
That is SO bad. And incredibly disheartening. Is it simply due to demographic changes, or is there more to it? And, why isn't MCPS discussing this? I'd like to see some media coverage of these abysmal results, if anyone out there has access to a media outlet.
MCPS spends an obscene amount of money per pupil - is this the best MCPS has to offer?
Well, not really; it's 31%, according to the random people who simply made up this test. It's not like anyone ever took it and got over 50% anywhere. It's just a bad test the state made up and is now pushing on kids. They need to go back to the PARC which at least was reliable and you could see how our state compared with others.
Well then how do you explain other counties doing consistently better?
Which other counties are doing consistently better, since this is just the 2nd year they have given this test?
PARCC, MCAP, not that different, and they've been conducting those state level exams for several years. And there are a few counties that consistently do better. I don't know what their FARMs look like, but if it's on par with MCPS, then really, there's no excuse.
Again, which counties have been doing consistently better on MCAP?
Anonymous
01/26/2023 15:07
Subject: Re:MCAP
Anonymous wrote:If kids are passed and promoted to the next class/level how do we expect the scores to get better or the schools to have accountability? No child left behind is ruining education
That is definitely an issue. Kids simply move in to the next level, whether they are ready for that class or not. And the Geometry teacher has his own material to teach. He can’t spend class time reviewing Algebra.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 15:00
Subject: MCAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:oic, for MCPS:
31% avg math proficiency for grades 3–8,
53% avg ELA proficiency for grades 3–8.
great to be front of the pack, mcps
That is SO bad. And incredibly disheartening. Is it simply due to demographic changes, or is there more to it? And, why isn't MCPS discussing this? I'd like to see some media coverage of these abysmal results, if anyone out there has access to a media outlet.
MCPS spends an obscene amount of money per pupil - is this the best MCPS has to offer?
Well, not really; it's 31%, according to the random people who simply made up this test. It's not like anyone ever took it and got over 50% anywhere. It's just a bad test the state made up and is now pushing on kids. They need to go back to the PARC which at least was reliable and you could see how our state compared with others.
Well then how do you explain other counties doing consistently better?
Which other counties are doing consistently better, since this is just the 2nd year they have given this test?
PARCC, MCAP, not that different, and they've been conducting those state level exams for several years. And there are a few counties that consistently do better. I don't know what their FARMs look like, but if it's on par with MCPS, then really, there's no excuse.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 14:55
Subject: MCAP
Where are we going to get the individual results???
Anonymous
01/26/2023 14:53
Subject: Re:MCAP
If kids are passed and promoted to the next class/level how do we expect the scores to get better or the schools to have accountability? No child left behind is ruining education
Anonymous
01/26/2023 14:05
Subject: MCAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:oic, for MCPS:
31% avg math proficiency for grades 3–8,
53% avg ELA proficiency for grades 3–8.
great to be front of the pack, mcps
That is SO bad. And incredibly disheartening. Is it simply due to demographic changes, or is there more to it? And, why isn't MCPS discussing this? I'd like to see some media coverage of these abysmal results, if anyone out there has access to a media outlet.
MCPS spends an obscene amount of money per pupil - is this the best MCPS has to offer?
Well, not really; it's 31%, according to the random people who simply made up this test. It's not like anyone ever took it and got over 50% anywhere. It's just a bad test the state made up and is now pushing on kids. They need to go back to the PARC which at least was reliable and you could see how our state compared with others.
Well then how do you explain other counties doing consistently better?
Which other counties are doing consistently better, since this is just the 2nd year they have given this test?
Anonymous
01/26/2023 14:04
Subject: MCAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:algebra 1 proficiency rate is only 20% in mcps, very impressive.
IMO the reason for this is:
1. math requires repetition, be it classwork or HW. During the pandemic, there was very little of either. Pre-pandemic there was some; post pandemic, too many MS are focused on "social emotional" learning rather than academic learning, so again, very little HW.
2. reading doesn't require HW. They read in social studies, in science, even in math, so they get plenty of reading "practice"
3. I noted that Asian Americans students saw a steep decline. This goes against what some believe that majority of Asian American students have math tutors. The numbers indicate that they didn't have tutors during the pandemic, at least.
Algebra is the most important math class. These numbers are truly abysmal, and it will become more obvious as the kids get into higher level math.
FWIW, my DC was taking Algebra during the virtual learning during the pandemic. I saw the grades slide, so I got them an Algebra workbook online. I didn't tutor DC, just had DC do extra work because I was afraid of exactly what the data is showing. DC's Algebra MCAP score was "approached expectations". I guess I should've tutored DC. And yea, I'm Asian American.
If I look at the MCPS Fall 2021 MCAP for Alg:
94% approached expectations
5% met
1% exceeded
There's nothing we can do about the past, but we can certainly learn from it, and fix it going forward. And that includes more math HW. But still, I'm not seeing much math HW. DC is now in Alg 2, getting an A/B. I fear what will happen in Precalc/Calc.
Agree with all of this. I have a kid who took Algebra during online learning. The teachers admitted that they were only teaching part of the material. And, we were told that the MCAP would be waived. Also didn't get DC a tutor, but did make DC do a workbook from Amazon. DC did meet expectations on the MCAP, thankfully.
All the kids were simply moved on to Geometry the next year, whether they actually passed the MCAP or not, so there are clearly many kids who have not yet grasped the basics of Algebra. This will definitely manifest itself going forward as they end up in more challenging math classes.
Not sure if MCPS Algebra improved last year, since MCPS went back to in-person learning?
Anonymous
01/26/2023 13:56
Subject: MCAP
Anonymous wrote:algebra 1 proficiency rate is only 20% in mcps, very impressive.
IMO the reason for this is:
1. math requires repetition, be it classwork or HW. During the pandemic, there was very little of either. Pre-pandemic there was some; post pandemic, too many MS are focused on "social emotional" learning rather than academic learning, so again, very little HW.
2. reading doesn't require HW. They read in social studies, in science, even in math, so they get plenty of reading "practice"
3. I noted that Asian Americans students saw a steep decline. This goes against what some believe that majority of Asian American students have math tutors. The numbers indicate that they didn't have tutors during the pandemic, at least.
Algebra is the most important math class. These numbers are truly abysmal, and it will become more obvious as the kids get into higher level math.
FWIW, my DC was taking Algebra during the virtual learning during the pandemic. I saw the grades slide, so I got them an Algebra workbook online. I didn't tutor DC, just had DC do extra work because I was afraid of exactly what the data is showing. DC's Algebra MCAP score was "approached expectations". I guess I should've tutored DC. And yea, I'm Asian American.
If I look at the MCPS Fall 2021 MCAP for Alg:
94% approached expectations
5% met
1% exceeded
There's nothing we can do about the past, but we can certainly learn from it, and fix it going forward. And that includes more math HW. But still, I'm not seeing much math HW. DC is now in Alg 2, getting an A/B. I fear what will happen in Precalc/Calc.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 13:26
Subject: MCAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:These results are horrible, but there is so much going on behind this.
One issue is test stamina. Once a year, kids have to sit for days on end of 3/4 hour blocks of testing. In the post-pandemic world stamina (both physical and mental) to do that is entirely lacking.
There's also district testing on top of this state testing. Not to mention regular class tests.
I don't think this volume of testing is sustainable.
A couple of tests a year aren't sustainable? Is too much testing just the go to excuse for terrible results?