Anonymous wrote:We taught our DC the alphabet and Phonics starting at about 18 months. At 3 1/2 years, we then used Bob Books every day to teach reading. After finishing all of the Bob Books, we then moved on to other readers. This can work for many many kids, but those with dyslexia would benefit from specialized O-G instruction. Our DC were not dyslexic.

Our idea was if DC got exposed at school to the 3-cueing stuff, they would ignore 3-cueing because they already were able to read above grade level.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm paywalled from the NYT article but this article from earlier this year is a good explainer on how balanced literacy gained popularity and then abruptly lost it:

https://time.com/6205084/phonics-science-of-reading-teachers/

One takeaway I have from reading about the reading wars, as a parent of a pretty new reader, is that kids really do need both explicit phonics instruction but "whole language" approaches (read alongs, talking about stories, examining context, etc.) to become strong readers, but while parents can do a pretty good job of contributing to the latter part, schools and teachers are much better situated to teach phonics.

If teachers just focus on the whole language piece, that leaves parents to fill in the gaps with phonics. But teaching phonics is actually a learned skill and most parents aren't good at it. I know because I tried to do it with varying success during Covid when it was clear my DD needed help with it because she hated Zoom school and would not pay attention during phonics instruction via Zoom (I do not blame her, that is not a good way for a kindergartener to learn). But it's freaking hard! First, you have to learn a lot of the phonics rules that you basically forgot years ago once you became a fluent reader. Also, you have to learn how to teach it to a 5 year old. I'm not an ECE teacher, I am good at talking to my kid about all kinds of things but I don't have any training on how to break down a relatively technical instruction for that age group. I muddled through and I know it helped some, but it was nothing compared to what an actual trained teacher with experience can do with phonics, as I learned once my child returned to in-person school.

But reading to my kid, talking about books and ideas, discussing context? I'm great at that. We read all kinds of books, we find different ways to talk about them, it's a bonding time for us and it just fits right into our life. I'm not saying I don't want teachers to do that portion at all, I'm just saying that if they can only do so much of it, I have the rest more than covered at home. But phonics? Kids should learn that in school from a teacher trained to teach it, because it's actually not that easy to teach. And kids are at school all day anyway! The idea that for years kids were being taught phonics via home supplementing while they spent the day doing read alongs and "whole language" practice? It's really dumb and I'm glad that era is over.

https://www.amazon.com/Teach-Your-Child-Read-Lessons/dp/0671631985/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=2VROSOXRA8F44&keywords=teach+your+child+to+read+in+100+easy+lessons&qid=1673066925&sprefix=teach+yo%2Caps%2C167&sr=8-1

Very easy, I taught all of mine.

Anonymous wrote:I'm paywalled from the NYT article but this article from earlier this year is a good explainer on how balanced literacy gained popularity and then abruptly lost it:

https://time.com/6205084/phonics-science-of-reading-teachers/

One takeaway I have from reading about the reading wars, as a parent of a pretty new reader, is that kids really do need both explicit phonics instruction but "whole language" approaches (read alongs, talking about stories, examining context, etc.) to become strong readers, but while parents can do a pretty good job of contributing to the latter part, schools and teachers are much better situated to teach phonics.

If teachers just focus on the whole language piece, that leaves parents to fill in the gaps with phonics. But teaching phonics is actually a learned skill and most parents aren't good at it. I know because I tried to do it with varying success during Covid when it was clear my DD needed help with it because she hated Zoom school and would not pay attention during phonics instruction via Zoom (I do not blame her, that is not a good way for a kindergartener to learn). But it's freaking hard! First, you have to learn a lot of the phonics rules that you basically forgot years ago once you became a fluent reader. Also, you have to learn how to teach it to a 5 year old. I'm not an ECE teacher, I am good at talking to my kid about all kinds of things but I don't have any training on how to break down a relatively technical instruction for that age group. I muddled through and I know it helped some, but it was nothing compared to what an actual trained teacher with experience can do with phonics, as I learned once my child returned to in-person school.

But reading to my kid, talking about books and ideas, discussing context? I'm great at that. We read all kinds of books, we find different ways to talk about them, it's a bonding time for us and it just fits right into our life. I'm not saying I don't want teachers to do that portion at all, I'm just saying that if they can only do so much of it, I have the rest more than covered at home. But phonics? Kids should learn that in school from a teacher trained to teach it, because it's actually not that easy to teach. And kids are at school all day anyway! The idea that for years kids were being taught phonics via home supplementing while they spent the day doing read alongs and "whole language" practice? It's really dumb and I'm glad that era is over.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm paywalled from the NYT article but this article from earlier this year is a good explainer on how balanced literacy gained popularity and then abruptly lost it:

https://time.com/6205084/phonics-science-of-reading-teachers/

One takeaway I have from reading about the reading wars, as a parent of a pretty new reader, is that kids really do need both explicit phonics instruction but "whole language" approaches (read alongs, talking about stories, examining context, etc.) to become strong readers, but while parents can do a pretty good job of contributing to the latter part, schools and teachers are much better situated to teach phonics.

If teachers just focus on the whole language piece, that leaves parents to fill in the gaps with phonics. But teaching phonics is actually a learned skill and most parents aren't good at it. I know because I tried to do it with varying success during Covid when it was clear my DD needed help with it because she hated Zoom school and would not pay attention during phonics instruction via Zoom (I do not blame her, that is not a good way for a kindergartener to learn). But it's freaking hard! First, you have to learn a lot of the phonics rules that you basically forgot years ago once you became a fluent reader. Also, you have to learn how to teach it to a 5 year old. I'm not an ECE teacher, I am good at talking to my kid about all kinds of things but I don't have any training on how to break down a relatively technical instruction for that age group. I muddled through and I know it helped some, but it was nothing compared to what an actual trained teacher with experience can do with phonics, as I learned once my child returned to in-person school.

But reading to my kid, talking about books and ideas, discussing context? I'm great at that. We read all kinds of books, we find different ways to talk about them, it's a bonding time for us and it just fits right into our life. I'm not saying I don't want teachers to do that portion at all, I'm just saying that if they can only do so much of it, I have the rest more than covered at home. But phonics? Kids should learn that in school from a teacher trained to teach it, because it's actually not that easy to teach. And kids are at school all day anyway! The idea that for years kids were being taught phonics via home supplementing while they spent the day doing read alongs and "whole language" practice? It's really dumb and I'm glad that era is over.

https://www.amazon.com/Teach-Your-Child-Read-Lessons/dp/0671631985/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=2VROSOXRA8F44&keywords=teach+your+child+to+read+in+100+easy+lessons&qid=1673066925&sprefix=teach+yo%2Caps%2C167&sr=8-1

Very easy, I taught all of mine.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm paywalled from the NYT article but this article from earlier this year is a good explainer on how balanced literacy gained popularity and then abruptly lost it:

https://time.com/6205084/phonics-science-of-reading-teachers/

One takeaway I have from reading about the reading wars, as a parent of a pretty new reader, is that kids really do need both explicit phonics instruction but "whole language" approaches (read alongs, talking about stories, examining context, etc.) to become strong readers, but while parents can do a pretty good job of contributing to the latter part, schools and teachers are much better situated to teach phonics.

If teachers just focus on the whole language piece, that leaves parents to fill in the gaps with phonics. But teaching phonics is actually a learned skill and most parents aren't good at it. I know because I tried to do it with varying success during Covid when it was clear my DD needed help with it because she hated Zoom school and would not pay attention during phonics instruction via Zoom (I do not blame her, that is not a good way for a kindergartener to learn). But it's freaking hard! First, you have to learn a lot of the phonics rules that you basically forgot years ago once you became a fluent reader. Also, you have to learn how to teach it to a 5 year old. I'm not an ECE teacher, I am good at talking to my kid about all kinds of things but I don't have any training on how to break down a relatively technical instruction for that age group. I muddled through and I know it helped some, but it was nothing compared to what an actual trained teacher with experience can do with phonics, as I learned once my child returned to in-person school.

But reading to my kid, talking about books and ideas, discussing context? I'm great at that. We read all kinds of books, we find different ways to talk about them, it's a bonding time for us and it just fits right into our life. I'm not saying I don't want teachers to do that portion at all, I'm just saying that if they can only do so much of it, I have the rest more than covered at home. But phonics? Kids should learn that in school from a teacher trained to teach it, because it's actually not that easy to teach. And kids are at school all day anyway! The idea that for years kids were being taught phonics via home supplementing while they spent the day doing read alongs and "whole language" practice? It's really dumb and I'm glad that era is over.

20+ years of parents complaining is NOT abrupt.

The complaints from parents were continuous, but the shift in teaching pedagogy was pretty abrupt in many instance, and Covid was a major driver as teachers re-entered the classroom and had to get real about what works and what doesn't. Plus it was easier for teachers and schools to placate parents pre-Covid. Now parents have more insight into the curriculum, often having seen it in action via Zoom. And there is a much greater sense of urgency due to Covid learning loss.

I also found the anecdote at the beginning of the Time article interesting, about the teachers in Oakland who were switched back to a phonemic awareness approach and hated it FOR YEARS. Before finally people started recognizing that it worked. To me that's so alarming because IME a focus on phonic pays instant dividends for a new reader. And that's true whether this is a kid who is dealing with dyslexia and is below grade level and hates reading, and a kid who is learning to read with very little explicit instruction. Watching a kid learn to decode language in a systemic way is really rewarding because it's a tool they can use forever. It will make their lives easier. It's crazy to me that teachers who had been using Balanced Literacy for years could go years on a phonics-first approach and still argue against it. Especially because a phonic first approach is not like hours and hours of phonics a day. It doesn't eliminate read alongs. It just requires 15-30 minutes of phonemic focus daily. That's it. And the rewards are immediate and huge. What are they fighting against? I truly do not get it.

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None of my teacher colleagues thought phonics was boring. There is nothing boring about seeing a child read for the first time. It's not boring to the kid and it's not boring for the teacher. As usual, people who didn't completely understand kids, child development and the science of reading made the decisions. These programs basically encouraged students to guess based on pictures and context. They should be ashamed of themselves but yet they still try to push their methods despite all evidence to the contrary.

Yep. As a teacher who worked in very low-income, low test score schools, I was constantly observed, evaluated, and critiqued on the way I implemented the reading program my district required me to follow. Though I felt phonics instruction was a missing component, I was not in a position to make a single decision about what training I got in reading instruction nor in what I taught or how--neither was my principal. It all came from the district level. It was clear to us teachers that the instruction wasn't meeting the needs of the students, but if we didn't follow the program given to us, we would be poorly evaluated and lose our jobs.

Anonymous wrote:I'm paywalled from the NYT article but this article from earlier this year is a good explainer on how balanced literacy gained popularity and then abruptly lost it:

https://time.com/6205084/phonics-science-of-reading-teachers/

One takeaway I have from reading about the reading wars, as a parent of a pretty new reader, is that kids really do need both explicit phonics instruction but "whole language" approaches (read alongs, talking about stories, examining context, etc.) to become strong readers, but while parents can do a pretty good job of contributing to the latter part, schools and teachers are much better situated to teach phonics.

If teachers just focus on the whole language piece, that leaves parents to fill in the gaps with phonics. But teaching phonics is actually a learned skill and most parents aren't good at it. I know because I tried to do it with varying success during Covid when it was clear my DD needed help with it because she hated Zoom school and would not pay attention during phonics instruction via Zoom (I do not blame her, that is not a good way for a kindergartener to learn). But it's freaking hard! First, you have to learn a lot of the phonics rules that you basically forgot years ago once you became a fluent reader. Also, you have to learn how to teach it to a 5 year old. I'm not an ECE teacher, I am good at talking to my kid about all kinds of things but I don't have any training on how to break down a relatively technical instruction for that age group. I muddled through and I know it helped some, but it was nothing compared to what an actual trained teacher with experience can do with phonics, as I learned once my child returned to in-person school.

But reading to my kid, talking about books and ideas, discussing context? I'm great at that. We read all kinds of books, we find different ways to talk about them, it's a bonding time for us and it just fits right into our life. I'm not saying I don't want teachers to do that portion at all, I'm just saying that if they can only do so much of it, I have the rest more than covered at home. But phonics? Kids should learn that in school from a teacher trained to teach it, because it's actually not that easy to teach. And kids are at school all day anyway! The idea that for years kids were being taught phonics via home supplementing while they spent the day doing read alongs and "whole language" practice? It's really dumb and I'm glad that era is over.

Anonymous wrote:It’s popular because it’s easy and lazy to “teach”.

My kid brought the following Balanced Literacy sheet BS home:
1) use the pictures for clues
2) look at the beginning letter
3) look at the ending letter (wtf?)
4) make a good guess
5) read to the end of the sentence
6) as yourself, “does this make sense?”

No it does not. This self-teach picture BS should not be how k-4 literacy is “taught.”

Poor kids.

Anonymous wrote:I know that curricula changing to reflect the latest popular theories has to drive teachers insane, but isn’t it nice that the new thing is to have the cognitive science of learning drive instruction?

You still haven’t returned to the classroom yet are teaching fulltime?