I trained all my kids before 20 months, but none night trained at that time. I just waited it out. One trained at 3 (but was dry every other night), one at 5 and not sure about #3 yet.

Just put her in a pullup for naps and sleeping. My daughter wore one until she was almost 8. It's really not that big of a deal.

Anonymous wrote:Look, you can either be called a “lazy American” who potty trains late OR you can clean up pee and poop from your kids bed for the next year. Your choice.

Lol “lazy American” here with a kid who night trained on her own at 4. The lazy approach is great because you literally do nothing— you just wait until your kid is consistently dry at night and then ask “do you want to wear underwear to bed?” and when they say yes, you let them put on underwear. This was a total non-issue in our house and if anyone judged us for it, I could care less. It was not a source of stress or concern at any point and my kid wound up fully potty trained anyway.

Sometimes lazy parenting is good parenting. Not everything needs to be an uphill battle.

Perhaps your child could be intersex, and is expressing dissatisfaction with their GAAB ?

OP returning with an update. I’m sorry I forgot to clarify that my toddler had recently learned to climb in and out of her crib on her own, so she could get to the small potty we kept in her room (or to get me).

Anyway, we got a toddler bed and I also checked to see when she peed - it was in the morning after she just woke up, not in her sleep. So we kept at it and I think she’s got it (don’t want to jinx myself but no issues for over a week now).

It helped to shift her water intake to earlier in the day. It did not really help to wake her up to pee at 11pm when I was going to bed, she was never able to go.

FWIW, I’m not against the “lazy American” approach, and I get that some kids, mostly boys, needs some extra support even as late as age 6, but enough with these ignorant comments about “18 months is too early”, “2.5 is too early”. There are different approaches to potty training, and yes it is possible to totally ditch the diapers at 2-ish years old for many kids. It’s like BF vs formula or working vs stay at home, different strokes for different folks.

Anonymous wrote:You are just encouraging your poor child to climb/fall out of the crib. Why put a potty in the room? Do you want her to
Climb out of the crib? Until she’s out of the crib and waking up dry, you are jumping the gun.

Right. This is completely nuts. It's is fully normal for 2.5 year old to pee in their crib. Where the heck else are they supposed to do it?? She can't get out of her crib to get to the potty.

Look, you can either be called a “lazy American” who potty trains late OR you can clean up pee and poop from your kids bed for the next year. Your choice.

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Anonymous wrote:You are really misinformed.

You should NOT be night training until your child wakes up dry. Are you a teen mom?

OP here. I'm not a teen mom, and I think you might actually be misinformed. The concept of pullups and keeping kids in diapers until 4-6 is really not normal in many other cultures. I'm from a European country where it's very common to train at 18 months. When I trained my first at 2.5, friends and family from back home thought that was late.

With my first child, we completely removed the diapers at age 2.5 and she had no trouble with it day or night. That's why I figured #2 could handle it at this age as well. Like I mentioned in my first post, she really wanted the diapers off and isn't interested in going back to them. I already suggested it and she indignantly told me that she's a big girl and no longer wears diapers.

We're going to convert her crib to a toddler bed and try for another week or so since we're on winter break anyway. And I'll try to watch her PM liquid intake more closely. If she keeps having trouble, we will try the pullups.

OP are you from Russia? You sound like you are Russian. I don’t know of any other “European” country where it’s common to toilet train at 18 months.

That’s nuts to expect to night train a 2.5 year old. Fine if it happens naturally, but too young to be intentional about it.

Time to get rid of the crib and get a toddler bed a child's can't learn to be independent if they are treated like a baby in a crib.

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Anonymous wrote:Is she peeing in her sleep? If so, there’s not a lot you can do at that age, her body isn’t ready. I’d wait until she has consistently dry diapers at wake up, and then do it. I have 2, both were completely day trained by 2.5, one was dry at night around the same time, the other needed pull-ups at night until he was 6.

If she’s peeing after she wakes up, then that’s a different issue that can be dealt with.

This. 2.5 year old is early to be dry at night. It is hard to learn, I think that part is very much biological / genetic and you need to wait for your kids to be ready

FWIW my older daughter was potty trained at 18 months, relapsed at 2 when brother was born and then slightly before 3 was perfectly dry during the day and 1 week later asked herself to have no diaper at night and stayed dry. For brother we decided to be less pushy and he ended up at exact same spot as her: dry during the day around 2y and 10 months mark and dry at night on his own request at 2y 11 months…

And adding that like PP the sign they were ready for nights were that their diapers had been consistently dry in the morning for a few weeks already.

Anonymous wrote:Is she peeing in her sleep? If so, there’s not a lot you can do at that age, her body isn’t ready. I’d wait until she has consistently dry diapers at wake up, and then do it. I have 2, both were completely day trained by 2.5, one was dry at night around the same time, the other needed pull-ups at night until he was 6.

If she’s peeing after she wakes up, then that’s a different issue that can be dealt with.

This. 2.5 year old is early to be dry at night. It is hard to learn, I think that part is very much biological / genetic and you need to wait for your kids to be ready

FWIW my older daughter was potty trained at 18 months, relapsed at 2 when brother was born and then slightly before 3 was perfectly dry during the day and 1 week later asked herself to have no diaper at night and stayed dry. For brother we decided to be less pushy and he ended up at exact same spot as her: dry during the day around 2y and 10 months mark and dry at night on his own request at 2y 11 months…

Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree that the current thinking about separating the two, night and day training, can't be 100% right because it's so recent and, as you say, not practiced in many other countries. There is at least some feedback loop that the pullups also make the kids feel secure and not get up when they would have without it... I'd at least try and manage persisting bedwetting otherwise.

That said, to echo the other advice, yeah it's hard to see what she should be doing if she's in a crib. Should she be calling you? Do you respond? Better to move to a toddler bed, as you said you're doing, and trying again.

Also if she did it for 3 days it seems her body is ready. But perhaps there's some conceptual confusion. My 2nd figured out naked butt potty on her own at 2 but I had to separately train her not to pee in pants or underwear.... Which involved an unpleasant two weeks of running after her, making her sit on the little potty every 20 mins or so/trying to catch the potty dance and still going thru 3-4 clothing changes a day. But we got through it, we managed. Two weeks isn't that long.

You might need to be really vigilant for a week or two, and the diaper can be a threat if she's doing the peeing maliciously.

All of the above is negated by you stating this. A 2.5-year peeing maliciously? WTF.

You are just encouraging your poor child to climb/fall out of the crib. Why put a potty in the room? Do you want her to
Climb out of the crib? Until she’s out of the crib and waking up dry, you are jumping the gun.

OP, I agree that the current thinking about separating the two, night and day training, can't be 100% right because it's so recent and, as you say, not practiced in many other countries. There is at least some feedback loop that the pullups also make the kids feel secure and not get up when they would have without it... I'd at least try and manage persisting bedwetting otherwise.

That said, to echo the other advice, yeah it's hard to see what she should be doing if she's in a crib. Should she be calling you? Do you respond? Better to move to a toddler bed, as you said you're doing, and trying again.

Also if she did it for 3 days it seems her body is ready. But perhaps there's some conceptual confusion. My 2nd figured out naked butt potty on her own at 2 but I had to separately train her not to pee in pants or underwear.... Which involved an unpleasant two weeks of running after her, making her sit on the little potty every 20 mins or so/trying to catch the potty dance and still going thru 3-4 clothing changes a day. But we got through it, we managed. Two weeks isn't that long.

You might need to be really vigilant for a week or two, and the diaper can be a threat if she's doing the peeing maliciously.