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Anonymous wrote:I'm original from out west and don't think of MD as a "southern state". I get that it is below the Mason Dixon line, but in the past 70 years, it's not had the same reputation and culture as other southern states.

I definitely consider VA to be southern, though.

I think a lot of people from out west and NE see MD as the line between north and south. Anecdotal, obviously, but even a lot of MDers don't consider it a southern state.

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-considered-northern-state-goucher-college-poll/

I think MD is like Switzerland -- it has cultures from the neighbors around it because it's such a small state it absorbs the cultures from the larger states surrounding it.

Therein lies the reason for your incorrect beliefs.

? seems even east coast people cannot come to a consensus, but ok.

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Anonymous wrote:No, it's a Mid-Atlantic state. So sick of the outdated Mason Dixon argument.

Because Maryland was a slave state?

Maryland is literally called “The Free State”, dummy. There were no slaves. Why do you think it was called The FREE State?

Did you study history at Trump University

Not sure where you got that information. Here’s the official history of that, and it’s got nothing to do with slavery.
https://www.visitmaryland.org/info/maryland-facts

And Maryland absolutely was a slave state.

+1. There is a reason the Underground Railroad passed through Maryland. Good grief learn some history.

Anonymous wrote:I'm original from out west and don't think of MD as a "southern state". I get that it is below the Mason Dixon line, but in the past 70 years, it's not had the same reputation and culture as other southern states.

I definitely consider VA to be southern, though.

I think a lot of people from out west and NE see MD as the line between north and south. Anecdotal, obviously, but even a lot of MDers don't consider it a southern state.

https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/maryland-considered-northern-state-goucher-college-poll/

I think MD is like Switzerland -- it has cultures from the neighbors around it because it's such a small state it absorbs the cultures from the larger states surrounding it.

Therein lies the reason for your incorrect beliefs.

Oh boy, this debate again...

If you're dividing the east coast by north and south, then Maryland is a southern state.

Historically, Maryland had strong ties to the south, sits south of the Mason-Dixon Line, and would have seceded to the Confederacy had it not been for its occupation by Union troops. The state song (only recently changed) boasted about spurning "the Yankee scum."

Culturally, Maryland being at the Northern tip of the south differed in some way from other southern states. Maryland was a Catholic state whereas the rest of the south was predominately Protestant. Lost cause ideology, while present, was never as strong in Maryland as in the rest of the south.

In today's age, many people refer to Maryland as a "mid-Atlantic" state even though that's a loosely defined hodgepodge of southern-North and northern-South areas (e.g., Delaware, Northern Virginia, maybe even Southern Jersey).

Drawl wise, Maryland's accent has more in common with Pennsylvania than Virginia. Natives don't have the sort of accent associated with the South.

Most Marylanders would probably not self-identify as Southerners today, even though much of Maryland is rural, a little stuck in the past, and not too dissimilar from anywhere comparable in Virginia or North Carolina. Baltimore feels more like Philly than southern cities like DC or Richmond, but anywhere outside of a major city is going to feel very much like anywhere in the south, IMHO. You're very likely to still see Confederate flags all around Maryland and plenty of stereotypical southern things. However, you could say the same thing about central Pennsylvania which is firmly in the north.

Bottom line: Maryland is in the south, but it's complicated.

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Anonymous wrote:The USGS considers Maryland part of the Northeast region.

NatGeo considers it Southeast. https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/united-states-regions

bis.gov considers it Mad-Atlantic https://www.bls.gov/regions/mid-atlantic/

Apparently, no one wants this bad apple of a state.

or like those on dcum, there is no real consensus.

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Anonymous wrote:The Eastern Shore is like Alabama. Western Maryland is part of Pennsyltucky. Baltimore is the most ghetto city on the East Coast. And the DC suburbs of Maryland have been losing ground economically to NoVa for decades.

Whether Maryland as a whole is a “Southern State” or not should be the least of your concerns.

Lol NOVA, what about the rest of VA?

The NoVa booster likes to think that NoVa is its own state, and they are not impacted by state politics. It's a rather inconvenient truth.

DP. He's not entirely wrong. We get a special sales tax and Northam was very deferential to Northern Virginia during COVID.

lol.. that still doesn't mean you are not part of the state of VA.

Anonymous wrote:The Eastern Shore is like Alabama. Western Maryland is part of Pennsyltucky. Baltimore is the most ghetto city on the East Coast. And the DC suburbs of Maryland have been losing ground economically to NoVa for decades.

Whether Maryland as a whole is a “Southern State” or not should be the least of your concerns.

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Anonymous wrote:Even looking at a map, it's obvious that Maryland is smack in the middle. I would go a step further to say that North Carolina is where the south begins if I were simply looking at a Map.

Simply looking at the map, most of the 'midwest' would not be considered 'midwest'.

Anonymous wrote:The USGS considers Maryland part of the Northeast region.

NatGeo considers it Southeast. https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/united-states-regions

bis.gov considers it Mad-Atlantic https://www.bls.gov/regions/mid-atlantic/

Apparently, no one wants this bad apple of a state.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Eastern Shore is like Alabama. Western Maryland is part of Pennsyltucky. Baltimore is the most ghetto city on the East Coast. And the DC suburbs of Maryland have been losing ground economically to NoVa for decades.

Whether Maryland as a whole is a “Southern State” or not should be the least of your concerns.

Lol NOVA, what about the rest of VA?

The NoVa booster likes to think that NoVa is its own state, and they are not impacted by state politics. It's a rather inconvenient truth.

DP. He's not entirely wrong. We get a special sales tax and Northam was very deferential to Northern Virginia during COVID.

Not from the North, not from the South, not from the water, but not far from it.

The USGS considers Maryland part of the Northeast region.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Eastern Shore is like Alabama. Western Maryland is part of Pennsyltucky. Baltimore is the most ghetto city on the East Coast. And the DC suburbs of Maryland have been losing ground economically to NoVa for decades.

Whether Maryland as a whole is a “Southern State” or not should be the least of your concerns.

Lol NOVA, what about the rest of VA?

The NoVa booster likes to think that NoVa is its own state, and they are not impacted by state politics. It's a rather inconvenient truth.

And that the GDP per capita in MD is higher.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Eastern Shore is like Alabama. Western Maryland is part of Pennsyltucky. Baltimore is the most ghetto city on the East Coast. And the DC suburbs of Maryland have been losing ground economically to NoVa for decades.

Whether Maryland as a whole is a “Southern State” or not should be the least of your concerns.

Lol NOVA, what about the rest of VA?

The NoVa booster likes to think that NoVa is its own state, and they are not impacted by state politics. It's a rather inconvenient truth.

Anonymous wrote:The Eastern Shore is like Alabama. Western Maryland is part of Pennsyltucky. Baltimore is the most ghetto city on the East Coast. And the DC suburbs of Maryland have been losing ground economically to NoVa for decades.

Whether Maryland as a whole is a “Southern State” or not should be the least of your concerns.

Lol NOVA, what about the rest of VA?