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Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

What's wrong with a flagship public university being more diverse and broadminded? University of Michigan has long been about 50% non-resident and international students and nobody in the state of Michigan cares. I can't tried a single article, column or editorial on the topic. And nothing on record by any legislators or governors.

Michigan can’t fill all of its seats with high stats Michigan kids so admits more OOS and International that’s why it’s a hot school for DC types. More OOS and Internationals means more money to Michigan.

Anonymous wrote:Years ago, when they had a chance, UVA decided it didn’t want to grow its main campus. Now you have this cutesy locked campus that can hardly serve most of the top students in the state. It’s a shame that way too many qualified IS students aren’t able to attend, but you really what you sow. Not very forward thinking.

UVA was founded in 1819, and, like many universities and college founded long ago, is landlocked by the city, roads and rail but you don’t complain about Yale or Harvard being built up around the campuses do you? And exactly what do you mean with the imprecise “years ago when they had the chance …?” I’d love to know exactly what you mean. And before you post again read up on the UVA Foundation whose job it is to buy up real estate whenever and wherever it can. But you would rather come on here and complain from a position of ignorance because you or a loved one didn’t get in, right? FWIW the UVA Foundation purchased 44 properties last year near the campus - for which locals criticize it! So imho it’s very “forward looking” and doing much better than my alma mater is. Also, the reason that UVA is a relatively small public is precisely why the legislature is pumping money into construction and develop at GMU, CNU snd the other 30+ Virginia campuses. Virginians are blessed with public choices on a part only with California -which is a much younger state , has much more land and didn’t start pumping money into its three level public system until the late 50s and 60s, so, yes, UCLA and Berkeley are large. Because they had room to grow with cheap land

Because UVA already admits too many students from out of state.

Anonymous wrote:Most states have a much lower percentage of OOS students at their state flagships. UNC is sub 20%, UT-Austin and UF are only 10% OOS, UC schools are sub 20%. Only Michigan, among the highly ranked state schools, is higher OOS.

+1. I don’t think OP understands that 1/3 OOS is considered a very large pool for state schools. Which perhaps the exception of Michigan and Wisconsin almost all other publics have much smaller OOS admissions, like Berkeley and UCLA at 10 percent, UNC at 10 percent, Texas at less than 10 percent, etc

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

What's wrong with a flagship public university being more diverse and broadminded? University of Michigan has long been about 50% non-resident and international students and nobody in the state of Michigan cares. I can't tried a single article, column or editorial on the topic. And nothing on record by any legislators or governors.

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Anonymous wrote:In their strategic plans, both UVA and W&M have floated the idea of capping in-state admissions at their current NUMBER (not percentage) and growing OOS admissions. They reason that the number of VA HS graduates is roughly static, so capping the number would not change in-state admission chances. The growth in applications comes from OOS, which is theoretically limitless. Thus, OOS admissions is the opportunity for growth, profit, diversity, high-caliber students, and thus higher rankings, better faculty, more research dollars, greater international prominence.

All dem dumb Virginia kids really bring the quality down...

Yes, there are only so many top-rated kids in VA. Also, consider that if a bunch of top-rated VA kids all want to do engineering and CS, there are only so many seats. That is, there could be a mismatch between what smart VA kids want to study and available seats. Finally, UVA accepts a range of student ability, and that range is larger/wider for in-state vs. OOS. In sum, UVA is currently selective in its in-state admissions, but if it took more in-state kids, its standards would probably slide. The opposite would be true if it accepted more OOS kids. Also, it might be able to find mire smart kids who want to study philosophy or anthropology in a large OOS pool, making it easier to fill all majors with really smart kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be happy if they took zero out of state or international students.

OOS PP here. I understand however if that ever happened the General Assembly would have to contribute a whole lot more to these schools than they do currently.
I also believe it benefits these institutions in many ways to have a geographically varied student body, even with a quota limiting its extent.
But as you are a taxpayer and as you no doubt have experienced some great VA students be denied, I can't blame you for the sentiment.

There is no demonstrable benefit to admitted OOS students other than financial. (Is a kid from Nebraska really that different from another kid from Virginia?)

But you as an OOS PP have no doubt experienced your kid getting denied, and I can understand you being butthurt about it.

NP. Kind of sounds like exactly the opposite - your in-state kid was probably denied and you're "butthurt" about OOS kids being accepted.

Anonymous wrote:I would be happy if they took zero out of state or international students.

When I went there, I dated exclusively out-of-state students, without meaning to.

Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

There's absolutely no reason Virginia residents should support or care about any of this.

Anonymous wrote:Is there a law that keeps those numbers artificially low? Non-resident and international students are a cash cow and their stronger stats would likely get UVA over the hump and into the top 20.

With the weakness in STEM fields UVA is lucky to be in the top 25, let alone top 20.

Don’t understand this thread. Usually DCUM screaming about the relatively large OOS percentage at UVA but OP wants more from OOS?? Weird.

*reap

Years ago, when they had a chance, UVA decided it didn’t want to grow its main campus. Now you have this cutesy locked campus that can hardly serve most of the top students in the state. It’s a shame that way too many qualified IS students aren’t able to attend, but you really what you sow. Not very forward thinking.

Anonymous wrote:I’d be happy if UVA had less than 10% OOS/international admits. It’s a state school. It should be serving Virginia students to the greatest extent possible.

Call your state rep. The ONLY way to change this is by funding the schools differently. We've gutted spending on higher education in this state and somehow, the politicians convinced us it's the colleges' fault.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be happy if they took zero out of state or international students.

OOS PP here. I understand however if that ever happened the General Assembly would have to contribute a whole lot more to these schools than they do currently.
I also believe it benefits these institutions in many ways to have a geographically varied student body, even with a quota limiting its extent.
But as you are a taxpayer and as you no doubt have experienced some great VA students be denied, I can't blame you for the sentiment.

There is no demonstrable benefit to admitted OOS students other than financial. (Is a kid from Nebraska really that different from another kid from Virginia?)

But you as an OOS PP have no doubt experienced your kid getting denied, and I can understand you being butthurt about it.

I don't think we disagree a whole lot. Every year it seems more and more great VA students are denied admission to their own state schools, and I think that is pretty rough, considering you all are taxpayers. I agree with the quotas my state has too, and also wish the legislature would fund better. I was an OOS at a VA university and my child will be next year. If VA would go the way of UNC with limiting OOS even more, it would be understandable.

If "great VA students" are getting denied "to their own state schools," I'm going to guess they aren't applying to enough of them.

90% to 100%: GMU, Longwood, ODU, Radford, VCU, VSU, community colleges
80% to 90% - CNU, JMU, NFU, UMW, UVA Wise

Because SCHEV person is probably starting their engines, county by county % here: https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/b8_admissions_locality.asp