Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:42
Subject: If a classmate threatened your child’s life
Have your husband round up his brothers and all his male buddies. Go over to the kids house when the parents are there. 25 men at the front door ring the bell. Tell the parents what happened, show the picture and tell them everybody is watching ,everybody is on a war footing and we suggest very firmly the parents handle it.
Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:37
Subject: Re:If a classmate threatened your child’s life
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you’re in FCPS, you would report it to the principal. A risk assessment would be completed by a member of the school support team (psychologist, counselor or social worker) with an administrator present because it was a threat to another person (versus a threat to self). There is a protocol with very specific questions to help determine the level of seriousness of the threat. They then follow through with contacting parents, discipline, etc.
This protocol is ludicrous because it takes so much time that the threatened child could have been killed. Kid who threatened is expelled immediately.
What are you talking about? Your post is ludicrous. As soon as something like this IS REPORTED, the kid who made the threat would be separated and in the office. Sure, if no adult ever learns about it, then nothing can be done. But once adults know about it, steps are taken to first separate so that the threat can be assessed. Even if it takes several hours to interview witnesses, the kid who made the threat is not wandering around unsupervised free to do whatever they want.
Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:36
Subject: Re:If a classmate threatened your child’s life
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you’re in FCPS, you would report it to the principal. A risk assessment would be completed by a member of the school support team (psychologist, counselor or social worker) with an administrator present because it was a threat to another person (versus a threat to self). There is a protocol with very specific questions to help determine the level of seriousness of the threat. They then follow through with contacting parents, discipline, etc.
Thanks. What happens after this step? Assuming if the independent evaluation comes back clear the student returns to class.
If the student is allowed back, how do they deal with the fallout? Who knows how the student will react to being disciplined. Other students report anger issues in class. These kids are about to go through a time of life when big feelings only get bigger. Would you keep your child at the school for the rest of their education if the other kid was staying?
This is what you care about?
Ethan Crumbley was doing the exact same thing. REPORT IT NOW.
I think we should all take it down a notch. I agree that OP should go to the school. But many many kids (and this kid is just 10-11) express fantasies like this. There’s a massive difference between normal (albeit undesirable) expressions and serious mental illness + guns that happened in the Crumbley case.
Literally no.
I work in this field and can tell you that this is the age when these signs first manifest themself. Many kids do draw pictures of weapons and fights, but few draw specific pictures targeting one individual. Also, if the child is disruptive or bullying, I would see it as a serious concern.
Having worked with parents of school shooters and violent juveniles, I would be at the school first thing and want a target hardening report done of the school as well as a threat assessment of the child.
literally yes. you’re engaged in a logical fallacy/cognitive bias. just because some kids who engage in violence draw guns doesn’t mean every kid who expresses violent ideas is going to engage in violence.
yes the school should take is seriously, but hysteria is not necessary.
Ha, did you just pull out a square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square? I don't think anyone is being hysterical, but providing the OP with information.
Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:35
Subject: Re:If a classmate threatened your child’s life
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you’re in FCPS, you would report it to the principal. A risk assessment would be completed by a member of the school support team (psychologist, counselor or social worker) with an administrator present because it was a threat to another person (versus a threat to self). There is a protocol with very specific questions to help determine the level of seriousness of the threat. They then follow through with contacting parents, discipline, etc.
Thanks. What happens after this step? Assuming if the independent evaluation comes back clear the student returns to class.
If the student is allowed back, how do they deal with the fallout? Who knows how the student will react to being disciplined. Other students report anger issues in class. These kids are about to go through a time of life when big feelings only get bigger. Would you keep your child at the school for the rest of their education if the other kid was staying?
This is what you care about?
Ethan Crumbley was doing the exact same thing. REPORT IT NOW.
I think we should all take it down a notch. I agree that OP should go to the school. But many many kids (and this kid is just 10-11) express fantasies like this. There’s a massive difference between normal (albeit undesirable) expressions and serious mental illness + guns that happened in the Crumbley case.
Literally no.
I work in this field and can tell you that this is the age when these signs first manifest themself. Many kids do draw pictures of weapons and fights, but few draw specific pictures targeting one individual. Also, if the child is disruptive or bullying, I would see it as a serious concern.
Having worked with parents of school shooters and violent juveniles, I would be at the school first thing and want a target hardening report done of the school as well as a threat assessment of the child.
literally yes. you’re engaged in a logical fallacy/cognitive bias. just because some kids who engage in violence draw guns doesn’t mean every kid who expresses violent ideas is going to engage in violence.
yes the school should take is seriously, but hysteria is not necessary.
Of course this is cognitive bias. I spent a significant amount of time working with parents after an act of violence and you know what they all said "I wish I had done more"
But, if you think a child threatening to kill another and drawing pictures of that is normal...you do you.
Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:35
Subject: Re:If a classmate threatened your child’s life
This happened to my child at a private school. The parents of the kid ended up leaving the school voluntarily rather than have their child evaluated.
Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:35
Subject: If a classmate threatened your child’s life
What led to the drawing OP? What were the interactions?
Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:34
Subject: If a classmate threatened your child’s life
Police, directly and immediately. Go to the police FIRST and then notify the school. Don’t leave it in the hands of the hapless school administration. Kid stays home until police have talked to the kid and the parents.
Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:33
Subject: Re:If a classmate threatened your child’s life
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you’re in FCPS, you would report it to the principal. A risk assessment would be completed by a member of the school support team (psychologist, counselor or social worker) with an administrator present because it was a threat to another person (versus a threat to self). There is a protocol with very specific questions to help determine the level of seriousness of the threat. They then follow through with contacting parents, discipline, etc.
Thanks. What happens after this step? Assuming if the independent evaluation comes back clear the student returns to class.
If the student is allowed back, how do they deal with the fallout? Who knows how the student will react to being disciplined. Other students report anger issues in class. These kids are about to go through a time of life when big feelings only get bigger. Would you keep your child at the school for the rest of their education if the other kid was staying?
This is what you care about?
Ethan Crumbley was doing the exact same thing. REPORT IT NOW.
Not sure what you mean. It has been reported. If you mean police, what would they even do?
Reported where, I didn't see the OP mention reporting it.
I would report first to the principal (not teacher) and the school guidance counselor if they have one. If I didn't get an immediate response that assessments were being done, I'd go to the police.
OP — principal is the one who informed us. Assessment of the child is being done. What is unclear is what happens if the child is allowed to come back after this. What are we supposed to do, watch and wait? It doesn’t feel safe for them to have access to the child who was threatened.
I would get a detailed report from the principal on the actions they are taking. I would also demand (no matter what the assessment shows) that the individual be moved to another class (not your child). Additionally, I would ask for a safety plan that shows how the individual is being monitored by the school until the end of the year. Last, I would want to know exactly how this individual is being kept away from my child during school hours.
Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:33
Subject: Re:If a classmate threatened your child’s life
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you’re in FCPS, you would report it to the principal. A risk assessment would be completed by a member of the school support team (psychologist, counselor or social worker) with an administrator present because it was a threat to another person (versus a threat to self). There is a protocol with very specific questions to help determine the level of seriousness of the threat. They then follow through with contacting parents, discipline, etc.
Thanks. What happens after this step? Assuming if the independent evaluation comes back clear the student returns to class.
If the student is allowed back, how do they deal with the fallout? Who knows how the student will react to being disciplined. Other students report anger issues in class. These kids are about to go through a time of life when big feelings only get bigger. Would you keep your child at the school for the rest of their education if the other kid was staying?
This is what you care about?
Ethan Crumbley was doing the exact same thing. REPORT IT NOW.
Not sure what you mean. It has been reported. If you mean police, what would they even do?
In some parts of the country (like Florida), it’s a felony for a kid to even threaten to use their weapon to kill people. The police will arrest the child and put them in psych care just for the threat.
This should be a federal law because schools do nothing.
Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:32
Subject: If a classmate threatened your child’s life
POLICE. Immediately.
Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:32
Subject: Re:If a classmate threatened your child’s life
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you’re in FCPS, you would report it to the principal. A risk assessment would be completed by a member of the school support team (psychologist, counselor or social worker) with an administrator present because it was a threat to another person (versus a threat to self). There is a protocol with very specific questions to help determine the level of seriousness of the threat. They then follow through with contacting parents, discipline, etc.
Thanks. What happens after this step? Assuming if the independent evaluation comes back clear the student returns to class.
If the student is allowed back, how do they deal with the fallout? Who knows how the student will react to being disciplined. Other students report anger issues in class. These kids are about to go through a time of life when big feelings only get bigger. Would you keep your child at the school for the rest of their education if the other kid was staying?
This is what you care about?
Ethan Crumbley was doing the exact same thing. REPORT IT NOW.
I think we should all take it down a notch. I agree that OP should go to the school. But many many kids (and this kid is just 10-11) express fantasies like this. There’s a massive difference between normal (albeit undesirable) expressions and serious mental illness + guns that happened in the Crumbley case.
Literally no.
I work in this field and can tell you that this is the age when these signs first manifest themself. Many kids do draw pictures of weapons and fights, but few draw specific pictures targeting one individual. Also, if the child is disruptive or bullying, I would see it as a serious concern.
Having worked with parents of school shooters and violent juveniles, I would be at the school first thing and want a target hardening report done of the school as well as a threat assessment of the child.
literally yes. you’re engaged in a logical fallacy/cognitive bias. just because some kids who engage in violence draw guns doesn’t mean every kid who expresses violent ideas is going to engage in violence.
yes the school should take is seriously, but hysteria is not necessary.
Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:31
Subject: Re:If a classmate threatened your child’s life
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you’re in FCPS, you would report it to the principal. A risk assessment would be completed by a member of the school support team (psychologist, counselor or social worker) with an administrator present because it was a threat to another person (versus a threat to self). There is a protocol with very specific questions to help determine the level of seriousness of the threat. They then follow through with contacting parents, discipline, etc.
Thanks. What happens after this step? Assuming if the independent evaluation comes back clear the student returns to class.
If the student is allowed back, how do they deal with the fallout? Who knows how the student will react to being disciplined. Other students report anger issues in class. These kids are about to go through a time of life when big feelings only get bigger. Would you keep your child at the school for the rest of their education if the other kid was staying?
This is what you care about?
Ethan Crumbley was doing the exact same thing. REPORT IT NOW.
Not sure what you mean. It has been reported. If you mean police, what would they even do?
Reported where, I didn't see the OP mention reporting it.
I would report first to the principal (not teacher) and the school guidance counselor if they have one. If I didn't get an immediate response that assessments were being done, I'd go to the police.
Schools so rarely do anythin for fear of offending the bully. I would report to police, who also ignore until bullying lid has murdered another 20 children and a couple of teachers.
Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:31
Subject: Re:If a classmate threatened your child’s life
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you’re in FCPS, you would report it to the principal. A risk assessment would be completed by a member of the school support team (psychologist, counselor or social worker) with an administrator present because it was a threat to another person (versus a threat to self). There is a protocol with very specific questions to help determine the level of seriousness of the threat. They then follow through with contacting parents, discipline, etc.
Thanks. What happens after this step? Assuming if the independent evaluation comes back clear the student returns to class.
If the student is allowed back, how do they deal with the fallout? Who knows how the student will react to being disciplined. Other students report anger issues in class. These kids are about to go through a time of life when big feelings only get bigger. Would you keep your child at the school for the rest of their education if the other kid was staying?
This is what you care about?
Ethan Crumbley was doing the exact same thing. REPORT IT NOW.
I think we should all take it down a notch. I agree that OP should go to the school. But many many kids (and this kid is just 10-11) express fantasies like this. There’s a massive difference between normal (albeit undesirable) expressions and serious mental illness + guns that happened in the Crumbley case.
Literally no.
I work in this field and can tell you that this is the age when these signs first manifest themself. Many kids do draw pictures of weapons and fights, but few draw specific pictures targeting one individual. Also, if the child is disruptive or bullying, I would see it as a serious concern.
Having worked with parents of school shooters and violent juveniles, I would be at the school first thing and want a target hardening report done of the school as well as a threat assessment of the child.
Also, what kind of threat assessment? Who would have access to the results?
Depend on the state, a threat assessment is a mental health evaluation done by professionals to see if this is just general kid stuff, expressing anger at something in the home life, or if there is a threat/rish that the child will take action.
Example, FCPS has a threat assessment protocol that they must follow in cases such as these. The folks who would have access are the Childs family and the school. Again, each school district and state is different.
Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:30
Subject: Re:If a classmate threatened your child’s life
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you’re in FCPS, you would report it to the principal. A risk assessment would be completed by a member of the school support team (psychologist, counselor or social worker) with an administrator present because it was a threat to another person (versus a threat to self). There is a protocol with very specific questions to help determine the level of seriousness of the threat. They then follow through with contacting parents, discipline, etc.
Thanks. What happens after this step? Assuming if the independent evaluation comes back clear the student returns to class.
If the student is allowed back, how do they deal with the fallout? Who knows how the student will react to being disciplined. Other students report anger issues in class. These kids are about to go through a time of life when big feelings only get bigger. Would you keep your child at the school for the rest of their education if the other kid was staying?
This is what you care about?
Ethan Crumbley was doing the exact same thing. REPORT IT NOW.
Not sure what you mean. It has been reported. If you mean police, what would they even do?
In some parts of the country (like Florida), it’s a felony for a kid to even threaten to use their weapon to kill people. The police will arrest the child and put them in psych care just for the threat.
Anonymous
12/18/2022 09:30
Subject: Re:If a classmate threatened your child’s life
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you’re in FCPS, you would report it to the principal. A risk assessment would be completed by a member of the school support team (psychologist, counselor or social worker) with an administrator present because it was a threat to another person (versus a threat to self). There is a protocol with very specific questions to help determine the level of seriousness of the threat. They then follow through with contacting parents, discipline, etc.
Thanks. What happens after this step? Assuming if the independent evaluation comes back clear the student returns to class.
If the student is allowed back, how do they deal with the fallout? Who knows how the student will react to being disciplined. Other students report anger issues in class. These kids are about to go through a time of life when big feelings only get bigger. Would you keep your child at the school for the rest of their education if the other kid was staying?
This is what you care about?
Ethan Crumbley was doing the exact same thing. REPORT IT NOW.
Not sure what you mean. It has been reported. If you mean police, what would they even do?
Reported where, I didn't see the OP mention reporting it.
I would report first to the principal (not teacher) and the school guidance counselor if they have one. If I didn't get an immediate response that assessments were being done, I'd go to the police.
OP — principal is the one who informed us. Assessment of the child is being done. What is unclear is what happens if the child is allowed to come back after this. What are we supposed to do, watch and wait? It doesn’t feel safe for them to have access to the child who was threatened.