Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If all you need is speech therapy, that is incredibly easy to obtain privately and often covered by insurance. And frankly if you go to appointments with him and receive instruction on home practice he will make far more progress.
I understand being upset but you really need to focus on your child. If you absolutely can’t afford private services even with insurance then I guess you can keep fighting but I don’t understand hiring a lawyer for that because it’s so expensive?
Look I have a kid with significant articulation issues and we are hoping he will be on level by the time he gets to elementary school. If not, I will make sure he gets caught up fully, not just to whatever line is not impacting his education. That’s my job as a mom. My other child has an IEP because she needs specialized instruction that can only occur in the school building. She also receives private services and while it would be great to have them delivered during the school day at no cost to us it’s absolutely not going to happen.
I really don’t think you are helping out lower income families by picking this fight. The IEP process is trying to get kids up to a somewhat low bar and they need to focus on kids who need help during the school day.
Thank you for having the guts to say this. Picking fights like this actually does not "benefit everyone's rights" or help poorer families or whatever. It takes resources away from them and gives it to the squeaky wheel, because the resources are a finite pool that is shrinking. What will actually happen is that the SLP, with their already bloated caseload (several of which are probably also similar cases that could be dismissed based on sound clinical judgment but the SLP doesn't have the energy for the fight), will shove other people's kids into a group of 6 to make space in the schedule for this, so they get even worse services and less attention. Or the severely impacted child who was finally going to get an individual session, now won't. And probably 15 other kids will miss their speech therapy session while the SLP sits in the second or third 3-hour IEP meeting about this mild artic case, none of which will be made up because there aren't enough hours in the day.
Private therapy would be much more effective for the child and cost-efficient for the family than hiring an attorney, and nobody else is going to benefit from this. It doesn't work like that.
lol no. do you actually think that by violating OP’s procedural & substantive rights, DCPS is going to give more SLP hours to a more deserving child? That’s not how it works. Every time a parent enforces their rights, the school learns that they don’t have a carte blanche to violate IDEA. Maybe OP’s child legitimately does not qualify. That’s fine, but DCPS needs to follow the rules.
Depends on whether you're trying to Make A Point or get more services. She's not going to get more services. Her child is absolutely best served by a private SLP. There's nothing to win here. None of these fights are won on procedural violations. They're just the icing on the cake for otherwise strong cases. Unless you're successfully getting more services then telling all the other families how you did it, you're not helping anyone.
Anonymous wrote:so, you want to take your school's SLP and LEA team's time, force them to spend more hours that could be put toward students in meetings, all with the knowledge that you're going to end up in private services anyway? Because of a procedural error? Yeah, you are really looking out for those other families
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If all you need is speech therapy, that is incredibly easy to obtain privately and often covered by insurance. And frankly if you go to appointments with him and receive instruction on home practice he will make far more progress.
I understand being upset but you really need to focus on your child. If you absolutely can’t afford private services even with insurance then I guess you can keep fighting but I don’t understand hiring a lawyer for that because it’s so expensive?
Look I have a kid with significant articulation issues and we are hoping he will be on level by the time he gets to elementary school. If not, I will make sure he gets caught up fully, not just to whatever line is not impacting his education. That’s my job as a mom. My other child has an IEP because she needs specialized instruction that can only occur in the school building. She also receives private services and while it would be great to have them delivered during the school day at no cost to us it’s absolutely not going to happen.
I really don’t think you are helping out lower income families by picking this fight. The IEP process is trying to get kids up to a somewhat low bar and they need to focus on kids who need help during the school day.
Thank you for having the guts to say this. Picking fights like this actually does not "benefit everyone's rights" or help poorer families or whatever. It takes resources away from them and gives it to the squeaky wheel, because the resources are a finite pool that is shrinking. What will actually happen is that the SLP, with their already bloated caseload (several of which are probably also similar cases that could be dismissed based on sound clinical judgment but the SLP doesn't have the energy for the fight), will shove other people's kids into a group of 6 to make space in the schedule for this, so they get even worse services and less attention. Or the severely impacted child who was finally going to get an individual session, now won't. And probably 15 other kids will miss their speech therapy session while the SLP sits in the second or third 3-hour IEP meeting about this mild artic case, none of which will be made up because there aren't enough hours in the day.
Private therapy would be much more effective for the child and cost-efficient for the family than hiring an attorney, and nobody else is going to benefit from this. It doesn't work like that.
lol no. do you actually think that by violating OP’s procedural & substantive rights, DCPS is going to give more SLP hours to a more deserving child? That’s not how it works. Every time a parent enforces their rights, the school learns that they don’t have a carte blanche to violate IDEA. Maybe OP’s child legitimately does not qualify. That’s fine, but DCPS needs to follow the rules.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If all you need is speech therapy, that is incredibly easy to obtain privately and often covered by insurance. And frankly if you go to appointments with him and receive instruction on home practice he will make far more progress.
I understand being upset but you really need to focus on your child. If you absolutely can’t afford private services even with insurance then I guess you can keep fighting but I don’t understand hiring a lawyer for that because it’s so expensive?
Look I have a kid with significant articulation issues and we are hoping he will be on level by the time he gets to elementary school. If not, I will make sure he gets caught up fully, not just to whatever line is not impacting his education. That’s my job as a mom. My other child has an IEP because she needs specialized instruction that can only occur in the school building. She also receives private services and while it would be great to have them delivered during the school day at no cost to us it’s absolutely not going to happen.
I really don’t think you are helping out lower income families by picking this fight. The IEP process is trying to get kids up to a somewhat low bar and they need to focus on kids who need help during the school day.
Thank you for having the guts to say this. Picking fights like this actually does not "benefit everyone's rights" or help poorer families or whatever. It takes resources away from them and gives it to the squeaky wheel, because the resources are a finite pool that is shrinking. What will actually happen is that the SLP, with their already bloated caseload (several of which are probably also similar cases that could be dismissed based on sound clinical judgment but the SLP doesn't have the energy for the fight), will shove other people's kids into a group of 6 to make space in the schedule for this, so they get even worse services and less attention. Or the severely impacted child who was finally going to get an individual session, now won't. And probably 15 other kids will miss their speech therapy session while the SLP sits in the second or third 3-hour IEP meeting about this mild artic case, none of which will be made up because there aren't enough hours in the day.
Private therapy would be much more effective for the child and cost-efficient for the family than hiring an attorney, and nobody else is going to benefit from this. It doesn't work like that.
lol no. do you actually think that by violating OP’s procedural & substantive rights, DCPS is going to give more SLP hours to a more deserving child? That’s not how it works. Every time a parent enforces their rights, the school learns that they don’t have a carte blanche to violate IDEA. Maybe OP’s child legitimately does not qualify. That’s fine, but DCPS needs to follow the rules.
Maybe I missed it but what procedural rights were violated? It sounds like they disagree with the assessment, so they can appeal but I don’t understand why they would for this, when private speech is easy to obtain, better and the bar for the level of articulation that impacts educational access seems very subjective…
they told her she wasn’t part of the IEP team. They refused to consider her input. And I’m sure they didn’t give her drafts on time or have the right people there (DCPS never does this for our IEP meetings unless we demand it.) And of course OP also disagrees with the substantive outcome.
oh also, lied to her about her stay put rights and right to an IEE.
They didn’t lie about the rights to an IEE. They do not have to grant them if they can defend their assessment as valid. DCPS is beginning to make parents file a due process to prove the schools assessment is not valid and require an IEE
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If all you need is speech therapy, that is incredibly easy to obtain privately and often covered by insurance. And frankly if you go to appointments with him and receive instruction on home practice he will make far more progress.
I understand being upset but you really need to focus on your child. If you absolutely can’t afford private services even with insurance then I guess you can keep fighting but I don’t understand hiring a lawyer for that because it’s so expensive?
Look I have a kid with significant articulation issues and we are hoping he will be on level by the time he gets to elementary school. If not, I will make sure he gets caught up fully, not just to whatever line is not impacting his education. That’s my job as a mom. My other child has an IEP because she needs specialized instruction that can only occur in the school building. She also receives private services and while it would be great to have them delivered during the school day at no cost to us it’s absolutely not going to happen.
I really don’t think you are helping out lower income families by picking this fight. The IEP process is trying to get kids up to a somewhat low bar and they need to focus on kids who need help during the school day.
Thank you for having the guts to say this. Picking fights like this actually does not "benefit everyone's rights" or help poorer families or whatever. It takes resources away from them and gives it to the squeaky wheel, because the resources are a finite pool that is shrinking. What will actually happen is that the SLP, with their already bloated caseload (several of which are probably also similar cases that could be dismissed based on sound clinical judgment but the SLP doesn't have the energy for the fight), will shove other people's kids into a group of 6 to make space in the schedule for this, so they get even worse services and less attention. Or the severely impacted child who was finally going to get an individual session, now won't. And probably 15 other kids will miss their speech therapy session while the SLP sits in the second or third 3-hour IEP meeting about this mild artic case, none of which will be made up because there aren't enough hours in the day.
Private therapy would be much more effective for the child and cost-efficient for the family than hiring an attorney, and nobody else is going to benefit from this. It doesn't work like that.
lol no. do you actually think that by violating OP’s procedural & substantive rights, DCPS is going to give more SLP hours to a more deserving child? That’s not how it works. Every time a parent enforces their rights, the school learns that they don’t have a carte blanche to violate IDEA. Maybe OP’s child legitimately does not qualify. That’s fine, but DCPS needs to follow the rules.
Maybe I missed it but what procedural rights were violated? It sounds like they disagree with the assessment, so they can appeal but I don’t understand why they would for this, when private speech is easy to obtain, better and the bar for the level of articulation that impacts educational access seems very subjective…
Anonymous wrote:It's not only presenting with articulation errors that is the issue here; it's actually impacting my child's ability to access education. They had to give in-class presentations twice this year and both times we practiced extensively at home at ease public speaking anxiety. Both presentations ended up very frustrating with my child reporting that the other students didn't understand them and didn't ask questions, and the second time the substitute teacher didn't understand that my child was only 1/3 into the presentation and told them to sit down. So, it's discouraging to hear stories like that at pick-up and DCPS making up data to terminate services and refusing to consider parental input.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If all you need is speech therapy, that is incredibly easy to obtain privately and often covered by insurance. And frankly if you go to appointments with him and receive instruction on home practice he will make far more progress.
I understand being upset but you really need to focus on your child. If you absolutely can’t afford private services even with insurance then I guess you can keep fighting but I don’t understand hiring a lawyer for that because it’s so expensive?
Look I have a kid with significant articulation issues and we are hoping he will be on level by the time he gets to elementary school. If not, I will make sure he gets caught up fully, not just to whatever line is not impacting his education. That’s my job as a mom. My other child has an IEP because she needs specialized instruction that can only occur in the school building. She also receives private services and while it would be great to have them delivered during the school day at no cost to us it’s absolutely not going to happen.
I really don’t think you are helping out lower income families by picking this fight. The IEP process is trying to get kids up to a somewhat low bar and they need to focus on kids who need help during the school day.
Thank you for having the guts to say this. Picking fights like this actually does not "benefit everyone's rights" or help poorer families or whatever. It takes resources away from them and gives it to the squeaky wheel, because the resources are a finite pool that is shrinking. What will actually happen is that the SLP, with their already bloated caseload (several of which are probably also similar cases that could be dismissed based on sound clinical judgment but the SLP doesn't have the energy for the fight), will shove other people's kids into a group of 6 to make space in the schedule for this, so they get even worse services and less attention. Or the severely impacted child who was finally going to get an individual session, now won't. And probably 15 other kids will miss their speech therapy session while the SLP sits in the second or third 3-hour IEP meeting about this mild artic case, none of which will be made up because there aren't enough hours in the day.
Private therapy would be much more effective for the child and cost-efficient for the family than hiring an attorney, and nobody else is going to benefit from this. It doesn't work like that.
lol no. do you actually think that by violating OP’s procedural & substantive rights, DCPS is going to give more SLP hours to a more deserving child? That’s not how it works. Every time a parent enforces their rights, the school learns that they don’t have a carte blanche to violate IDEA. Maybe OP’s child legitimately does not qualify. That’s fine, but DCPS needs to follow the rules.
Maybe I missed it but what procedural rights were violated? It sounds like they disagree with the assessment, so they can appeal but I don’t understand why they would for this, when private speech is easy to obtain, better and the bar for the level of articulation that impacts educational access seems very subjective…
they told her she wasn’t part of the IEP team. They refused to consider her input. And I’m sure they didn’t give her drafts on time or have the right people there (DCPS never does this for our IEP meetings unless we demand it.) And of course OP also disagrees with the substantive outcome.
oh also, lied to her about her stay put rights and right to an IEE.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If all you need is speech therapy, that is incredibly easy to obtain privately and often covered by insurance. And frankly if you go to appointments with him and receive instruction on home practice he will make far more progress.
I understand being upset but you really need to focus on your child. If you absolutely can’t afford private services even with insurance then I guess you can keep fighting but I don’t understand hiring a lawyer for that because it’s so expensive?
Look I have a kid with significant articulation issues and we are hoping he will be on level by the time he gets to elementary school. If not, I will make sure he gets caught up fully, not just to whatever line is not impacting his education. That’s my job as a mom. My other child has an IEP because she needs specialized instruction that can only occur in the school building. She also receives private services and while it would be great to have them delivered during the school day at no cost to us it’s absolutely not going to happen.
I really don’t think you are helping out lower income families by picking this fight. The IEP process is trying to get kids up to a somewhat low bar and they need to focus on kids who need help during the school day.
Thank you for having the guts to say this. Picking fights like this actually does not "benefit everyone's rights" or help poorer families or whatever. It takes resources away from them and gives it to the squeaky wheel, because the resources are a finite pool that is shrinking. What will actually happen is that the SLP, with their already bloated caseload (several of which are probably also similar cases that could be dismissed based on sound clinical judgment but the SLP doesn't have the energy for the fight), will shove other people's kids into a group of 6 to make space in the schedule for this, so they get even worse services and less attention. Or the severely impacted child who was finally going to get an individual session, now won't. And probably 15 other kids will miss their speech therapy session while the SLP sits in the second or third 3-hour IEP meeting about this mild artic case, none of which will be made up because there aren't enough hours in the day.
Private therapy would be much more effective for the child and cost-efficient for the family than hiring an attorney, and nobody else is going to benefit from this. It doesn't work like that.
lol no. do you actually think that by violating OP’s procedural & substantive rights, DCPS is going to give more SLP hours to a more deserving child? That’s not how it works. Every time a parent enforces their rights, the school learns that they don’t have a carte blanche to violate IDEA. Maybe OP’s child legitimately does not qualify. That’s fine, but DCPS needs to follow the rules.
Maybe I missed it but what procedural rights were violated? It sounds like they disagree with the assessment, so they can appeal but I don’t understand why they would for this, when private speech is easy to obtain, better and the bar for the level of articulation that impacts educational access seems very subjective…
they told her she wasn’t part of the IEP team. They refused to consider her input. And I’m sure they didn’t give her drafts on time or have the right people there (DCPS never does this for our IEP meetings unless we demand it.) And of course OP also disagrees with the substantive outcome.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If all you need is speech therapy, that is incredibly easy to obtain privately and often covered by insurance. And frankly if you go to appointments with him and receive instruction on home practice he will make far more progress.
I understand being upset but you really need to focus on your child. If you absolutely can’t afford private services even with insurance then I guess you can keep fighting but I don’t understand hiring a lawyer for that because it’s so expensive?
Look I have a kid with significant articulation issues and we are hoping he will be on level by the time he gets to elementary school. If not, I will make sure he gets caught up fully, not just to whatever line is not impacting his education. That’s my job as a mom. My other child has an IEP because she needs specialized instruction that can only occur in the school building. She also receives private services and while it would be great to have them delivered during the school day at no cost to us it’s absolutely not going to happen.
I really don’t think you are helping out lower income families by picking this fight. The IEP process is trying to get kids up to a somewhat low bar and they need to focus on kids who need help during the school day.
Thank you for having the guts to say this. Picking fights like this actually does not "benefit everyone's rights" or help poorer families or whatever. It takes resources away from them and gives it to the squeaky wheel, because the resources are a finite pool that is shrinking. What will actually happen is that the SLP, with their already bloated caseload (several of which are probably also similar cases that could be dismissed based on sound clinical judgment but the SLP doesn't have the energy for the fight), will shove other people's kids into a group of 6 to make space in the schedule for this, so they get even worse services and less attention. Or the severely impacted child who was finally going to get an individual session, now won't. And probably 15 other kids will miss their speech therapy session while the SLP sits in the second or third 3-hour IEP meeting about this mild artic case, none of which will be made up because there aren't enough hours in the day.
Private therapy would be much more effective for the child and cost-efficient for the family than hiring an attorney, and nobody else is going to benefit from this. It doesn't work like that.
lol no. do you actually think that by violating OP’s procedural & substantive rights, DCPS is going to give more SLP hours to a more deserving child? That’s not how it works. Every time a parent enforces their rights, the school learns that they don’t have a carte blanche to violate IDEA. Maybe OP’s child legitimately does not qualify. That’s fine, but DCPS needs to follow the rules.
Maybe I missed it but what procedural rights were violated? It sounds like they disagree with the assessment, so they can appeal but I don’t understand why they would for this, when private speech is easy to obtain, better and the bar for the level of articulation that impacts educational access seems very subjective…
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If all you need is speech therapy, that is incredibly easy to obtain privately and often covered by insurance. And frankly if you go to appointments with him and receive instruction on home practice he will make far more progress.
I understand being upset but you really need to focus on your child. If you absolutely can’t afford private services even with insurance then I guess you can keep fighting but I don’t understand hiring a lawyer for that because it’s so expensive?
Look I have a kid with significant articulation issues and we are hoping he will be on level by the time he gets to elementary school. If not, I will make sure he gets caught up fully, not just to whatever line is not impacting his education. That’s my job as a mom. My other child has an IEP because she needs specialized instruction that can only occur in the school building. She also receives private services and while it would be great to have them delivered during the school day at no cost to us it’s absolutely not going to happen.
I really don’t think you are helping out lower income families by picking this fight. The IEP process is trying to get kids up to a somewhat low bar and they need to focus on kids who need help during the school day.
Thank you for having the guts to say this. Picking fights like this actually does not "benefit everyone's rights" or help poorer families or whatever. It takes resources away from them and gives it to the squeaky wheel, because the resources are a finite pool that is shrinking. What will actually happen is that the SLP, with their already bloated caseload (several of which are probably also similar cases that could be dismissed based on sound clinical judgment but the SLP doesn't have the energy for the fight), will shove other people's kids into a group of 6 to make space in the schedule for this, so they get even worse services and less attention. Or the severely impacted child who was finally going to get an individual session, now won't. And probably 15 other kids will miss their speech therapy session while the SLP sits in the second or third 3-hour IEP meeting about this mild artic case, none of which will be made up because there aren't enough hours in the day.
Private therapy would be much more effective for the child and cost-efficient for the family than hiring an attorney, and nobody else is going to benefit from this. It doesn't work like that.
lol no. do you actually think that by violating OP’s procedural & substantive rights, DCPS is going to give more SLP hours to a more deserving child? That’s not how it works. Every time a parent enforces their rights, the school learns that they don’t have a carte blanche to violate IDEA. Maybe OP’s child legitimately does not qualify. That’s fine, but DCPS needs to follow the rules.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If all you need is speech therapy, that is incredibly easy to obtain privately and often covered by insurance. And frankly if you go to appointments with him and receive instruction on home practice he will make far more progress.
I understand being upset but you really need to focus on your child. If you absolutely can’t afford private services even with insurance then I guess you can keep fighting but I don’t understand hiring a lawyer for that because it’s so expensive?
Look I have a kid with significant articulation issues and we are hoping he will be on level by the time he gets to elementary school. If not, I will make sure he gets caught up fully, not just to whatever line is not impacting his education. That’s my job as a mom. My other child has an IEP because she needs specialized instruction that can only occur in the school building. She also receives private services and while it would be great to have them delivered during the school day at no cost to us it’s absolutely not going to happen.
I really don’t think you are helping out lower income families by picking this fight. The IEP process is trying to get kids up to a somewhat low bar and they need to focus on kids who need help during the school day.
Thank you for having the guts to say this. Picking fights like this actually does not "benefit everyone's rights" or help poorer families or whatever. It takes resources away from them and gives it to the squeaky wheel, because the resources are a finite pool that is shrinking. What will actually happen is that the SLP, with their already bloated caseload (several of which are probably also similar cases that could be dismissed based on sound clinical judgment but the SLP doesn't have the energy for the fight), will shove other people's kids into a group of 6 to make space in the schedule for this, so they get even worse services and less attention. Or the severely impacted child who was finally going to get an individual session, now won't. And probably 15 other kids will miss their speech therapy session while the SLP sits in the second or third 3-hour IEP meeting about this mild artic case, none of which will be made up because there aren't enough hours in the day.
Private therapy would be much more effective for the child and cost-efficient for the family than hiring an attorney, and nobody else is going to benefit from this. It doesn't work like that.
Anonymous wrote:It's not only presenting with articulation errors that is the issue here; it's actually impacting my child's ability to access education. They had to give in-class presentations twice this year and both times we practiced extensively at home at ease public speaking anxiety. Both presentations ended up very frustrating with my child reporting that the other students didn't understand them and didn't ask questions, and the second time the substitute teacher didn't understand that my child was only 1/3 into the presentation and told them to sit down. So, it's discouraging to hear stories like that at pick-up and DCPS making up data to terminate services and refusing to consider parental input.