Anonymous
11/21/2022 12:42
Subject: Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The money used for student loan forgiveness comes from other places. It isn’t free. Costs taxpayers money, and has other repercussions. It’s valid for people to be opposed to loan forgiveness. It’s fine to disagree, but there are logical arguments for both sides. You’re the one being rigid and narrow minded.
No it doesn’t. There is no “money”.
Oh, boy. You’re very stupid. Also, quotation marks go outside the period.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 11:33
Subject: Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We already have a distant relationship, but politics isn't making it any easier. He didn't help me with student loans or my first car, learning to drive. It makes me so angry that he supports Trump, and I know he's against loan forgiveness. It doesn't make sense why he wouldn't be supportive of something that would help his daughter. I don't have a lot of debt, only 13k. I also got the Pell Grant because we were low-income. My mother passed away, and he's remarried to a trump supporter. I think about how selfish and hateful Trump supporters are and it makes me think my dad isn't a good person. My husband is also an immigrant from a Muslim-majority country. My father likes my husband, yet he's supporting someone who isn't friendly toward immigrants. My father does other things that make me angry but the student loan thing makes me sad. I have small children now, and I can't imagine voting against something that would benefit them, like help with student loans.
The bolded is not the right way to look at any single issue. We have an HHI of around ~$500k, and if I only voted in my financial interest, and my kids', I'd vote for low tax republicans every time. I don't, because there are many many issues that are more important than my personal taxes and finances.
Also, the PP who wrote this is spot on:
So wait you’re saying if Trump had a policy that would improve your finances, say, a subsidy with your specific profession, you would vote for Trump, and to not do so would be a betrayal of your kid’s interest?
And for the record, I am very liberal, and think that student loan forgiveness is questionable at best, unconscionable if it isn't paired with measures to address the underlying causes, and Keystone Cops-level idiocy in its present form.
OP may not be capable of the level of analysis she’s been given on this thread.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 11:29
Subject: Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
Anonymous wrote:We already have a distant relationship, but politics isn't making it any easier. He didn't help me with student loans or my first car, learning to drive. It makes me so angry that he supports Trump, and I know he's against loan forgiveness. It doesn't make sense why he wouldn't be supportive of something that would help his daughter. I don't have a lot of debt, only 13k. I also got the Pell Grant because we were low-income. My mother passed away, and he's remarried to a trump supporter. I think about how selfish and hateful Trump supporters are and it makes me think my dad isn't a good person. My husband is also an immigrant from a Muslim-majority country. My father likes my husband, yet he's supporting someone who isn't friendly toward immigrants. My father does other things that make me angry but the student loan thing makes me sad. I have small children now, and I can't imagine voting against something that would benefit them, like help with student loans.
The bolded is not the right way to look at any single issue. We have an HHI of around ~$500k, and if I only voted in my financial interest, and my kids', I'd vote for low tax republicans every time. I don't, because there are many many issues that are more important than my personal taxes and finances.
Also, the PP who wrote this is spot on:
So wait you’re saying if Trump had a policy that would improve your finances, say, a subsidy with your specific profession, you would vote for Trump, and to not do so would be a betrayal of your kid’s interest?
And for the record, I am very liberal, and think that student loan forgiveness is questionable at best, unconscionable if it isn't paired with measures to address the underlying causes, and Keystone Cops-level idiocy in its present form.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 11:10
Subject: Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your dad seems awful. But the student loan forgiveness that is currently being contemplated is poorly designed, short-sighted, and will lead to greater student loans going forward. You are just angry and selfish.
If it only benefited me, I would agree, but millions of Americans will benefit. This can be the beginning of something big. I support universal health care as well. The US is the only developed country where education and healthcare can and do bankrupt its citizens. Many internationals manage to study undergraduate in their home countries and get full scholarships to study for graduate school in the US. My husband is one of them, so in this sense, his almost free education was better. This me, me, me attitude is what causes Americans to be labeled as selfish worldwide. I'm sure all the people outside of the US think it's ridiculous we are fighting about supplementing college education and of course, they all know we are morons because we can't agree on gun control. We train our young children what to do in case a crazy person walks in and starts shooting. That is insane. Now that I have written this out, I have realized republicans are all mentally ill.
OP, I’m detecting some mental illness on this thread, and it’s not coming from Republicans. 🤔
Anonymous
11/21/2022 11:04
Subject: Re:Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
OP, go see a therapist. Some of this is your dad, some of this is you. And has nothing to do with politics. Maybe you don’t mean to, but you come across as narcissistic.
BTW, no one is going broke on a marijuana habit. I get the feeling if his hobby were fishing, you’d have an issue about how he bought himself a fishing pole and made you take out student loans. Basically, he’s supposed to foresake anything that brings him a little bit of pleasure for you. I hope you aren’t raising your own children the way you wanted to be treated. You sound like you want everything handed to you at someone else’s expense. As a lifelong Dem voter, I can’t stand this attitude -it gives fuel to people who don’t want to support social programs for the underprivileged.
BTW, no one is going broke on a marijuana habit. I get the feeling if his hobby were fishing, you’d have an issue about how he bought himself a fishing pole and made you take out student loans. Basically, he’s supposed to foresake anything that brings him a little bit of pleasure for you. I hope you aren’t raising your own children the way you wanted to be treated. You sound like you want everything handed to you at someone else’s expense. As a lifelong Dem voter, I can’t stand this attitude -it gives fuel to people who don’t want to support social programs for the underprivileged.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 10:52
Subject: Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
Anonymous wrote:We already have a distant relationship, but politics isn't making it any easier. He didn't help me with student loans or my first car, learning to drive. It makes me so angry that he supports Trump, and I know he's against loan forgiveness. It doesn't make sense why he wouldn't be supportive of something that would help his daughter. I don't have a lot of debt, only 13k. I also got the Pell Grant because we were low-income. My mother passed away, and he's remarried to a trump supporter. I think about how selfish and hateful Trump supporters are and it makes me think my dad isn't a good person. My husband is also an immigrant from a Muslim-majority country. My father likes my husband, yet he's supporting someone who isn't friendly toward immigrants. My father does other things that make me angry but the student loan thing makes me sad. I have small children now, and I can't imagine voting against something that would benefit them, like help with student loans.
I am a never Trump voter but I do agree with your dad on this issue. I'd think twice supporting Biden if he runs again - unless JB and DT are two remaining ones again.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 10:47
Subject: Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your dad seems awful. But the student loan forgiveness that is currently being contemplated is poorly designed, short-sighted, and will lead to greater student loans going forward. You are just angry and selfish.
If it only benefited me, I would agree, but millions of Americans will benefit. This can be the beginning of something big. I support universal health care as well. The US is the only developed country where education and healthcare can and do bankrupt its citizens. Many internationals manage to study undergraduate in their home countries and get full scholarships to study for graduate school in the US. My husband is one of them, so in this sense, his almost free education was better. This me, me, me attitude is what causes Americans to be labeled as selfish worldwide. I'm sure all the people outside of the US think it's ridiculous we are fighting about supplementing college education and of course, they all know we are morons because we can't agree on gun control. We train our young children what to do in case a crazy person walks in and starts shooting. That is insane. Now that I have written this out, I have realized republicans are all mentally ill.
Your last sentence completely identifies you as the problem. You are no better than a thief by not repaying the loans you agreed to pay back.
Whatever helps you sleep at night. She has valid points.
She quotes me! me! me! attitude while wanting someone else to pay off her loans.
Selfish and laughable. And immature.
I hope dad cuts her off.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 10:43
Subject: Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your dad seems awful. But the student loan forgiveness that is currently being contemplated is poorly designed, short-sighted, and will lead to greater student loans going forward. You are just angry and selfish.
If it only benefited me, I would agree, but millions of Americans will benefit. This can be the beginning of something big. I support universal health care as well. The US is the only developed country where education and healthcare can and do bankrupt its citizens. Many internationals manage to study undergraduate in their home countries and get full scholarships to study for graduate school in the US. My husband is one of them, so in this sense, his almost free education was better. This me, me, me attitude is what causes Americans to be labeled as selfish worldwide. I'm sure all the people outside of the US think it's ridiculous we are fighting about supplementing college education and of course, they all know we are morons because we can't agree on gun control. We train our young children what to do in case a crazy person walks in and starts shooting. That is insane. Now that I have written this out, I have realized republicans are all mentally ill.
Your last sentence completely identifies you as the problem. You are no better than a thief by not repaying the loans you agreed to pay back.
Whatever helps you sleep at night. She has valid points.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 10:27
Subject: Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Your dad seems awful. But the student loan forgiveness that is currently being contemplated is poorly designed, short-sighted, and will lead to greater student loans going forward. You are just angry and selfish.
If it only benefited me, I would agree, but millions of Americans will benefit. This can be the beginning of something big. I support universal health care as well. The US is the only developed country where education and healthcare can and do bankrupt its citizens. Many internationals manage to study undergraduate in their home countries and get full scholarships to study for graduate school in the US. My husband is one of them, so in this sense, his almost free education was better. This me, me, me attitude is what causes Americans to be labeled as selfish worldwide. I'm sure all the people outside of the US think it's ridiculous we are fighting about supplementing college education and of course, they all know we are morons because we can't agree on gun control. We train our young children what to do in case a crazy person walks in and starts shooting. That is insane. Now that I have written this out, I have realized republicans are all mentally ill.
Your last sentence completely identifies you as the problem. You are no better than a thief by not repaying the loans you agreed to pay back.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 10:18
Subject: Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
Anonymous wrote:Your dad seems awful. But the student loan forgiveness that is currently being contemplated is poorly designed, short-sighted, and will lead to greater student loans going forward. You are just angry and selfish.
If it only benefited me, I would agree, but millions of Americans will benefit. This can be the beginning of something big. I support universal health care as well. The US is the only developed country where education and healthcare can and do bankrupt its citizens. Many internationals manage to study undergraduate in their home countries and get full scholarships to study for graduate school in the US. My husband is one of them, so in this sense, his almost free education was better. This me, me, me attitude is what causes Americans to be labeled as selfish worldwide. I'm sure all the people outside of the US think it's ridiculous we are fighting about supplementing college education and of course, they all know we are morons because we can't agree on gun control. We train our young children what to do in case a crazy person walks in and starts shooting. That is insane. Now that I have written this out, I have realized republicans are all mentally ill.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 07:45
Subject: Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
Your dad seems awful. But the student loan forgiveness that is currently being contemplated is poorly designed, short-sighted, and will lead to greater student loans going forward. You are just angry and selfish.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 07:42
Subject: Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
Anonymous wrote:It's insensitive, op. It's great you have boundaries. It sounds like you're bitter about your childhood.
I would be too.
Ignore your dad. Talk to him once a year on your terms. Especially unfollow on all social media platforms.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 07:24
Subject: Re:Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, you and your dad don't have the same values. His are harmful to your family -- not just the loan thing but your spouse and many other issues his candidate supports. And it sounds like this mismatch in values pre-dates Trump (you mention him not helping you earlier in life, which is his right but is not in accord with your values).
It's okay to keep your distance. Being related to somebody doesn't mean you need to like them, respect them, or spend time with them.
If OP was Pell eligible, her dad didn’t have a lot of money laying around. She’s mad he didn’t pay for a car or her education…which Pell families typically can’t afford. She should be grateful some of her education was through a grant and doesn’t all need to be repaid. She sounds entitled and spoiled. I’m a Democrat, and I can’t stand this whining. Not everyone is going to like every damn program that benefits another family member. Maybe it’s not about you, OP, but about the fact that your dad feels financially pinched (which his history suggests). Since he hasn’t ponied up to your expectations, by all means, keep your distance.
Op here. You would have a point if my Dad didn't blow money on drugs.
OP, the issues with your father are not political. There are far more serious parenting problems if he prioritized drugs. The political stuff are merely symptoms.
Who in their right mind looks at a crack user patent and think, oh why couldn't I get a pony for my birthday?
He never used hard drugs. It was marijuana. Comparing an education or a car to a pony is laughable. My father may have been low-income, but he always had a job. If he didn't blow it on drugs, money would have been left over for basic things.
Anonymous
11/21/2022 00:25
Subject: Re:Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, you and your dad don't have the same values. His are harmful to your family -- not just the loan thing but your spouse and many other issues his candidate supports. And it sounds like this mismatch in values pre-dates Trump (you mention him not helping you earlier in life, which is his right but is not in accord with your values).
It's okay to keep your distance. Being related to somebody doesn't mean you need to like them, respect them, or spend time with them.
If OP was Pell eligible, her dad didn’t have a lot of money laying around. She’s mad he didn’t pay for a car or her education…which Pell families typically can’t afford. She should be grateful some of her education was through a grant and doesn’t all need to be repaid. She sounds entitled and spoiled. I’m a Democrat, and I can’t stand this whining. Not everyone is going to like every damn program that benefits another family member. Maybe it’s not about you, OP, but about the fact that your dad feels financially pinched (which his history suggests). Since he hasn’t ponied up to your expectations, by all means, keep your distance.
Op here. You would have a point if my Dad didn't blow money on drugs.
OP, the issues with your father are not political. There are far more serious parenting problems if he prioritized drugs. The political stuff are merely symptoms.
Who in their right mind looks at a crack user patent and think, oh why couldn't I get a pony for my birthday?
Anonymous
11/21/2022 00:11
Subject: Student loan forgiveness has made me even more distant from my father
It's insensitive, op. It's great you have boundaries. It sounds like you're bitter about your childhood.