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Whatabout Dominion Voting machines OP.

Was there ever anything actually found to be wrong with these? I thought that it was just a bunch of hand-waving by Trump & Co.

But all you're doing now is proposing to fix a problem that isn't an actual problem, but is part of a conspiracy theory raised by Trump and his idiots. Today, you all are concerned about the potential for fraud with mail in voting. Tomorrow, when Republicans still lose because of your terrible candidates and policies, you'll be convinced again it's the voting machines. None of you have any actual substantive problems with the different methods of voting - you just don't like that people weren't stupid enough to elect Doug Mastriano.

Yeah it takes a long time to count ballots! Certainly seems like there must be an easier way. You haven't found it.

The counting is fast and easy. What takes a long time is examining and verifying every envelope signature one at a time before they can accept the ballot.

So start earlier and give people time to cure.

Rs are mad about giving people time to cure also, btw.

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Anonymous wrote:

Whatabout Dominion Voting machines OP.

Was there ever anything actually found to be wrong with these? I thought that it was just a bunch of hand-waving by Trump & Co.

But all you're doing now is proposing to fix a problem that isn't an actual problem, but is part of a conspiracy theory raised by Trump and his idiots. Today, you all are concerned about the potential for fraud with mail in voting. Tomorrow, when Republicans still lose because of your terrible candidates and policies, you'll be convinced again it's the voting machines. None of you have any actual substantive problems with the different methods of voting - you just don't like that people weren't stupid enough to elect Doug Mastriano.

Yeah it takes a long time to count ballots! Certainly seems like there must be an easier way. You haven't found it.

The counting is fast and easy. What takes a long time is examining and verifying every envelope signature one at a time before they can accept the ballot.

So start earlier and give people time to cure.

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Anonymous wrote:

Whatabout Dominion Voting machines OP.

Was there ever anything actually found to be wrong with these? I thought that it was just a bunch of hand-waving by Trump & Co.

But all you're doing now is proposing to fix a problem that isn't an actual problem, but is part of a conspiracy theory raised by Trump and his idiots. Today, you all are concerned about the potential for fraud with mail in voting. Tomorrow, when Republicans still lose because of your terrible candidates and policies, you'll be convinced again it's the voting machines. None of you have any actual substantive problems with the different methods of voting - you just don't like that people weren't stupid enough to elect Doug Mastriano.

Yeah it takes a long time to count ballots! Certainly seems like there must be an easier way. You haven't found it.

The counting is fast and easy. What takes a long time is examining and verifying every envelope signature one at a time before they can accept the ballot.

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Today, you all are concerned about the potential for fraud with mail in voting.

No, I am mostly concerned about the appearance of it. As I said earlier. Actual, documented voter fraud is rare. A fact which I acknowledge earlier in this thread, but which you apparently failed to read.

I'm done trying to answer OP's question. This is ridiculous.

I read you propose that everyone gets time off to vote, and you don't care about abortion - given your situation, it's no wonder you don't understand why people like to vote by mail, and why they would vote a lot less if they couldn't do it that way.

There is no "appearance of fraud" with mail in voting any more than there is with Dominion voting machines. THere's just dumb Republicans who really don't see how toxic they are. I browse the Republican reddit just to see what they are saying, and this is truly what they are convinced of. Not that they're losing these elections because they ran the worst candidates you could pick off the bottom of your shoe, but muh fraud, muh cheating. You think they'd stop claiming that with an all-election day vote? Give me a break. They'd have a new theory to soothe themselves, and terrorize us, with. No, let's not change a system that works just to cater to idiots.

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So you are ok with adding the hurdle of a voter having to request an absentee ballot and hope the USPS delivers it, instead of, you know, making in universal.

Yes, because, as I noted above, the ideal situation is to have a small enough number of absentee ballots that they could not mathematically affect the outcome.

How about this instead...everyone can vote when they want, and if YOU want to do it in person on election day, then go for it?

No, because "making it easy to vote" is not the same thing as "bending over backwards to make voting so easy as to require nearly zero effort."

Why does voting need to require some effort?

exactly. its a constitutional right correct? what other constitutional right requires effort to be put into it?

Effort skews the vote older, and wealthier. It's much easier for white collar workers to juggle schedules (even easier for the retired) than it is for blue collar workers

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I don't see an issue with universal mail in voting.

You are not concerned about breaking the ballot chain of custody? You trust the postal service to deliver 100% of ballots on time and to the correct address? You trust that all ballots will be completed in secret? You trust that ballots can be verified without giving up the privacy of one's vote? You are an awfully trusting person.

Those two positions are totally at odds.

Disagree. Not everyone needs to vote early or by mail. Most do just fine by voting on election day. The absentee ballot option exists for those who cannot.

So who gets to decide who should be able to vote by mail? The current politicians who have an incentive to choose the population more likely to vote for them? Myopic people like you who incorrectly think that most people get voting day off? Let's just make it easier for seniors to vote by mail, because that is who you are familiar with, everyone else should be able to get to the polls, right?

What about people who:
- Are traveling back into town and have their flight cancelled?
- Need to fly out unexpectedly after finding out a death in the family?
- People who work hourly jobs and have to decide between losing income and voting?
- Someone who lives in a rural area without a car who can't reliably make it into town?
- Parents who have to deal with childcare because their schools are closed on Election Day?

Do any of these people deserve to vote early? Can you see how once you parse it down more and more it gets harder to draw the line and just easier to let everonye vote early or by mail?

Today, you all are concerned about the potential for fraud with mail in voting.

No, I am mostly concerned about the appearance of it. As I said earlier. Actual, documented voter fraud is rare. A fact which I acknowledge earlier in this thread, but which you apparently failed to read.

I'm done trying to answer OP's question. This is ridiculous.

Republicans were for it until Trump told them to be against it. Their obedience to an idiot who knew he was going to lose turned early and mail voting into an advantage for Democrats when previously it probably favored Republicans.

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Whatabout Dominion Voting machines OP.

Was there ever anything actually found to be wrong with these? I thought that it was just a bunch of hand-waving by Trump & Co.

But all you're doing now is proposing to fix a problem that isn't an actual problem, but is part of a conspiracy theory raised by Trump and his idiots. Today, you all are concerned about the potential for fraud with mail in voting. Tomorrow, when Republicans still lose because of your terrible candidates and policies, you'll be convinced again it's the voting machines. None of you have any actual substantive problems with the different methods of voting - you just don't like that people weren't stupid enough to elect Doug Mastriano.

Yeah it takes a long time to count ballots! Certainly seems like there must be an easier way. You haven't found it.

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Anonymous wrote:

So you are ok with adding the hurdle of a voter having to request an absentee ballot and hope the USPS delivers it, instead of, you know, making in universal.

Yes, because, as I noted above, the ideal situation is to have a small enough number of absentee ballots that they could not mathematically affect the outcome.

How about this instead...everyone can vote when they want, and if YOU want to do it in person on election day, then go for it?

No, because "making it easy to vote" is not the same thing as "bending over backwards to make voting so easy as to require nearly zero effort."

Why does voting need to require some effort?

exactly. its a constitutional right correct? what other constitutional right requires effort to be put into it?

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So you are ok with adding the hurdle of a voter having to request an absentee ballot and hope the USPS delivers it, instead of, you know, making in universal.

Yes, because, as I noted above, the ideal situation is to have a small enough number of absentee ballots that they could not mathematically affect the outcome.

How about this instead...everyone can vote when they want, and if YOU want to do it in person on election day, then go for it?

No, because "making it easy to vote" is not the same thing as "bending over backwards to make voting so easy as to require nearly zero effort."

Why does voting need to require some effort?

Whatabout Dominion Voting machines OP.

Was there ever anything actually found to be wrong with these? I thought that it was just a bunch of hand-waving by Trump & Co.

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Curious:are you the same poster that’s has been on all the abortion threads advocating for a mandatory 15 week national abortion ban as a compromise post Roe v. wade?

Nope. Abortion is not an issue that I particularly care about, actually.

Are you in favor of moving voting day to a weekend or being a national holiday?

I would be open to the idea, yes, but that requires discussion and debate. That said, don't most employers provide time off for voting? I would definitely support making that mandatory. I would also support 24-hour voting on election day (to include part of the previous day).

You really are not in touch with how most Americans live from day to day. If you were, then you would not be making these off-base posts.

The essential services have to have a certain minimum amount of workers on shift 24/7. Someone has to have that 12 hour day on election day. Who else will staff the wards, drive fire engines or fix electrical faults.

+1 You’d think we would have learned during the pandemic that there are some people who having Election Day as a national holiday doesn’t help. They still have to work.

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If mail in voting is fine for the military, then it's fine for me.

Are you in the military? Are you unable to vote in person? If so, then I agree.

Otherwise, sorry, but not everyone can take the time off to vote in person on that specific day.

Then that would seem to be a legitimate reason for an absentee ballot.

To be clear: I want every eligible voter who wants to vote to be able to do so with a minimum of time and frustration spent. But I do not favor universal mail-in voting or early voting. As I noted above. And I am not a Republican (or Democrat).

If you want people to be able to vote "with a minimum of time and frustration spent" than voting options must reflect the needs of the populace not a certain slice of it.