Anonymous
11/16/2022 07:05
Subject: Re:Effect of higher numbers of applications?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this just at some schools? I’ve read at others applicants are way down.
Applicants have been down, even pre covid at many schools outside of the T50/T60. Class of 2022 was the largest class and itisgoing down from there. Schools have been planning for this and the continued dropoff over the next 5-10 years. So the T20-40 wont be affected, others will
I think this is part of the reason they’re all so crunched right now. No one wants to expand with a population drop off on the horizon. I agree the top schools are less affected by the population cliff, but any T20-40 school that expands will drop in the rankings.
The universities don't want to expand because they don't have the resources. Add 500 kids to your freshman class and by time they are seniors you have 2000 more students on campus. Is there space in all facilities (dorms/library/classrooms/dining/etc)? Can classes still be small sizes? Answer to that is no. Just look at many T50 schools who have had slightly larger classes the past 2-3 years (as in 200 students or so) and see the impacts on housing alone. I wouldn't want my kid at a school that adds students without adding infratstructure first.
While private universities have been changing very little in size over the past 25 years as the population of applicants has exploded, public universities have been happy to pick up the extra students. JMU, for example, has doubled in size during that time.
Schools haven't been growing because applications are up. They are growing because state funding is down. Way way way down. Many schools will continue to be TO because they make money off the higher number of applicants and can also increase their class size to make up for the lack of state funding. The over all number of kids attending is dropping every year. So colleges need to expand, stay TO and increase tuition. That is what is rough-- not the T20 application process which has been rough for decades.
Anonymous
11/16/2022 06:50
Subject: Re:Effect of higher numbers of applications?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this just at some schools? I’ve read at others applicants are way down.
Applicants have been down, even pre covid at many schools outside of the T50/T60. Class of 2022 was the largest class and itisgoing down from there. Schools have been planning for this and the continued dropoff over the next 5-10 years. So the T20-40 wont be affected, others will
I think this is part of the reason they’re all so crunched right now. No one wants to expand with a population drop off on the horizon. I agree the top schools are less affected by the population cliff, but any T20-40 school that expands will drop in the rankings.
The universities don't want to expand because they don't have the resources. Add 500 kids to your freshman class and by time they are seniors you have 2000 more students on campus. Is there space in all facilities (dorms/library/classrooms/dining/etc)? Can classes still be small sizes? Answer to that is no. Just look at many T50 schools who have had slightly larger classes the past 2-3 years (as in 200 students or so) and see the impacts on housing alone. I wouldn't want my kid at a school that adds students without adding infratstructure first.
While private universities have been changing very little in size over the past 25 years as the population of applicants has exploded, public universities have been happy to pick up the extra students. JMU, for example, has doubled in size during that time.
Anonymous
11/15/2022 23:03
Subject: Re:Effect of higher numbers of applications?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Bring back the tests!! It's the only way to stop this madness.
For the most part, unless you're applying to University of California colleges, the tests are STILL here - just optional for most schools. Feel free to take the test.
If you mean revert back to making tests mandatory, that ain't happening.
The UCs and CSUs are test blind, not test optional. Can you explain what you are referring to?
Test optional means that tests will still be there if an applicant want to take and submit. That's what optional means. Test aren't going away. Just optional. Unless you're dealing with test blind schools like UC.
Anonymous
11/15/2022 22:57
Subject: Re:Effect of higher numbers of applications?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Bring back the tests!! It's the only way to stop this madness.
For the most part, unless you're applying to University of California colleges, the tests are STILL here - just optional for most schools. Feel free to take the test.
If you mean revert back to making tests mandatory, that ain't happening.
The UCs and CSUs are test blind, not test optional. Can you explain what you are referring to?
Anonymous
11/15/2022 21:02
Subject: Effect of higher numbers of applications?
College counselor said that there is no TO. I know she was being nice, but basically saying its a requirement if you are unhooked, or white. It is a way for colleges to see lots or more candidates who may be fairly attractive to them. But for average people, you really need a score.
Anonymous
11/15/2022 19:50
Subject: Re:Effect of higher numbers of applications?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Bring back the tests!! It's the only way to stop this madness.
For the most part, unless you're applying to University of California colleges, the tests are STILL here - just optional for most schools. Feel free to take the test.
If you mean revert back to making tests mandatory, that ain't happening.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the test coming back in more red states and more conservative institutions . It’s always required by public universities in Georgia and Florida.