Anonymous
11/13/2022 12:59
Subject: Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
People want politicians to “work together” at the same time four Supreme Court Justices are attending a gala celebrating the Federalist Society, itself awash in $1.6 billion in anonymous donations intended to corrupt the judiciary.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 12:53
Subject: Re:Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We need super pacs devoted to promoting bipartisan cooperation and compromises … but it might not be sexy enough for big donors … even though it is what the country needs …
No. We need an end to super PACs.
I did not like the ruling that allowed them to form. However, since they are reality for the foreseeable future we need to get to serve democracy better.
Dark money isn’t generally interested in bettering democracy.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 12:45
Subject: Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why anyone would want to work with a conservatives? They are all liars. There is no way you could trust them.
THIS
Even today on NATIONAL TV they lie.
I am tired of these lies. We try and teach our children not to lie yet we have 35% of this country that can not research for themselves and figure out the lies.
Youngkin is a perfect example. He ran on election lies and CRT. Both of which the magic box tells you are nonexistent. CRT in particular. How hard would it have been for those Loudoun or Stafford parents to go online and look at the curriculum? Not like it's not posted every year. CRT was never taught in one school. Yet you voted in a heinous POS who literally sends his kids to Maryland for two reasons Masks & Vaccines! He played you and his bank account is growing from his grifting scammy ways.
The fact MAGA is this dumb at this point is mind-boggling until one thinks about Nazism and the KKK it all comes into focus. MAGA is worried about being replaced. They are racist violent antisemites who only wear masks to hide their faces.
If you are Republcian and or MAGA move to a red state. In Blue states we are going to crush you.
My personal goal is to see Josh Hawley out of a job and any job from here on out anywhere. Starting at his church in Virginia this week. Time for running man Hawley to be out of a job. His wife is no better she is a POS that should not be a lawyer. State bar complaints headed her way.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 12:31
Subject: Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
Anonymous wrote:I would like to see some accountability on the republicans/conservatives side on covid, the insurrection, racism, anti-semitic, pro Russian, anti democracy, etc. The law breakers need to do time. The anti constitution anti American Republican Party needs to break apart.
In breaking apart, the GOP becomes unviable on the national stage. They would lose too much of their supporters.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 12:30
Subject: Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One party is working across the aisle and the GOP wants to blow everything up.
You are part of the problem. You and everyone of you blaming the GOP for everything. Own your own party's idiocy first.
What solutions or ideas does the GOP have to offer the American public?
Solution for healthcare?
Solution for Russia?
Solution for inflation?
Solution for immigration?
Solution for women's health?
Seriously, other than anger, grievance and lies, what is the GOP offering?
DP
That’s a good list.
What areas have the most potential for common ground?
None of those. The GOP wants to reduce healthcare spending by spending less for Medicare/Medicaid regardless of the cost of treatment. Democrats want to spend less by lowering the cost of treatments. Democrats support Ukraine, the GOP supports Russia. Neither party has control over inflation. The GOP needs immigration to rally the base and has zero incentive to do anything, while Dems have supported e-verify. Dems want to protect a women’s right to choose and the GOP wants authority over women’s bodies
They are miles apart - So you think there is little chance to make any progress in any areas the next two years?
Dems and Republicans tend to agree on the importance of family and children.
Consider what policies that help children and families might fly.
Family/ child tax breaks
Early childhood education
Education - invest in both public and private options
Reducing digital divide so all children have access to online learning
Regulation of porn/ inappropriate content on social media popular with children and teens
Fighting Crime
Invest more in police training
Federal guidelines for police trainings
Social security - most Americans want to save it - what actions could both parties agree to?
Immigration
Get rid of green card lottery
Make policies less political and more practical by favoring more merit based immigration based on whatever professions are needed most each year (trades/ nurses/ doctors/ dentists/ engineers/ agricultural workers/ seafood farmersetc)
Retain some humanitarian asylum seekers but let states decide limits on numbers
Health
Consider 1% tax for universal health care
If not, Consider ways to make sure children and minors all have access to health services
Education is best way to reduce teenage pregnancies
Competition
Enforce antitrust laws again and promote fair competition
Tax breaks for Small businesses that employ the vast majority of Americans
Probably many areas where the parties could find common ground if they choose to act like grown ups
We saw this play out during Obamacare. The GOP would say they’d vote for health care reform if it only included X. Dems would say okay, let’s add X. Then the GOP still voted no. The GOP platform is all about making things worse when they’re in the minority and blaming Dems. Then tax cuts and higher defense spending when the GOP is in the majority. That’s been the playbook since the 90s.
Yes that appears to be true. However Republicans have to find a new approach since the militarization of democracy is no longer working for them.
Democrats need to be respectful that the balance of power is very tight. Neither party has a mandate for carte blanches to push through highly controversial agendas. There have to be some issues that room for common ground.
The approach would be to appeal to some gun control, to allow women's health care to remain between her and her doctor, to agree that our democracy matters and codify voting rights and free and fair elections, to agree that immigration reform is doable and climate change needs to be dealt with, etc.
IOW, the GOP is a fringe party that has told its base that none of these things matter, they have elevated the fringe left at the expense of trying to actually do anything for the public writ large, rather than the oligarch class.
Unless or until that changes, the party will find itself further on the edges of mainstream America.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 12:20
Subject: Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why anyone would want to work with a conservatives? They are all liars. There is no way you could trust them.
If any of the mythical DCUM Republicans (the ones who say they’re not Trumpers, believe is social libertarianism, etc.) want to pass a law enshrining a right to health care without government interference I’d be thrilled to work with them to get a law to the President’s desk and end the reliance on Roe. My worry is that these people really don’t exist. I hope to be proven wrong.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 11:43
Subject: Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
Can someone explain why anyone would want to work with a conservatives? They are all liars. There is no way you could trust them.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 11:40
Subject: Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
I would like to see some accountability on the republicans/conservatives side on covid, the insurrection, racism, anti-semitic, pro Russian, anti democracy, etc. The law breakers need to do time. The anti constitution anti American Republican Party needs to break apart.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 10:45
Subject: Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One party is working across the aisle and the GOP wants to blow everything up.
My opinion. And should. I would like some accountability first from the Dems for the economy, etc.
You are holding the present administration responsible for the pandemic after effects? The manufacturing world was essentially shut down for two years during Trump's reign of incompetence?
Anonymous
11/13/2022 09:15
Subject: Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One party is working across the aisle and the GOP wants to blow everything up.
You are part of the problem. You and everyone of you blaming the GOP for everything. Own your own party's idiocy first.
What solutions or ideas does the GOP have to offer the American public?
Solution for healthcare?
Solution for Russia?
Solution for inflation?
Solution for immigration?
Solution for women's health?
Seriously, other than anger, grievance and lies, what is the GOP offering?
DP
That’s a good list.
What areas have the most potential for common ground?
None of those. The GOP wants to reduce healthcare spending by spending less for Medicare/Medicaid regardless of the cost of treatment. Democrats want to spend less by lowering the cost of treatments. Democrats support Ukraine, the GOP supports Russia. Neither party has control over inflation. The GOP needs immigration to rally the base and has zero incentive to do anything, while Dems have supported e-verify. Dems want to protect a women’s right to choose and the GOP wants authority over women’s bodies
They are miles apart - So you think there is little chance to make any progress in any areas the next two years?
Dems and Republicans tend to agree on the importance of family and children.
Consider what policies that help children and families might fly.
Family/ child tax breaks
Early childhood education
Education - invest in both public and private options
Reducing digital divide so all children have access to online learning
Regulation of porn/ inappropriate content on social media popular with children and teens
Fighting Crime
Invest more in police training
Federal guidelines for police trainings
Social security - most Americans want to save it - what actions could both parties agree to?
Immigration
Get rid of green card lottery
Make policies less political and more practical by favoring more merit based immigration based on whatever professions are needed most each year (trades/ nurses/ doctors/ dentists/ engineers/ agricultural workers/ seafood farmersetc)
Retain some humanitarian asylum seekers but let states decide limits on numbers
Health
Consider 1% tax for universal health care
If not, Consider ways to make sure children and minors all have access to health services
Education is best way to reduce teenage pregnancies
Competition
Enforce antitrust laws again and promote fair competition
Tax breaks for Small businesses that employ the vast majority of Americans
Probably many areas where the parties could find common ground if they choose to act like grown ups
We saw this play out during Obamacare. The GOP would say they’d vote for health care reform if it only included X. Dems would say okay, let’s add X. Then the GOP still voted no. The GOP platform is all about making things worse when they’re in the minority and blaming Dems. Then tax cuts and higher defense spending when the GOP is in the majority. That’s been the playbook since the 90s.
Yes that appears to be true. However Republicans have to find a new approach since the militarization of democracy is no longer working for them.
Democrats need to be respectful that the balance of power is very tight. Neither party has a mandate for carte blanches to push through highly controversial agendas. There have to be some issues that room for common ground.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 09:10
Subject: Re:Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We need super pacs devoted to promoting bipartisan cooperation and compromises … but it might not be sexy enough for big donors … even though it is what the country needs …
No. We need an end to super PACs.
I did not like the ruling that allowed them to form. However, since they are reality for the foreseeable future we need to get to serve democracy better.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 08:32
Subject: Re:Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
Anonymous wrote:We need super pacs devoted to promoting bipartisan cooperation and compromises … but it might not be sexy enough for big donors … even though it is what the country needs …
No. We need an end to super PACs.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 08:30
Subject: Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One party is working across the aisle and the GOP wants to blow everything up.
You are part of the problem. You and everyone of you blaming the GOP for everything. Own your own party's idiocy first.
Your party just got a shellacking. Kindly return to reality.
And yours didn't? Amazing that you refuse to acknowledge your own losses.
The democrats didn’t lose a state legislative chamber. They will gain a seat in the Senate. They will lose only one to three seats in the House despite redistributing and an utter debacle in NY. It’s a midterm result unparalleled in modern history.
They also gained one in Michigan. I didn’t look at all the states, but Colorado trended blue in every single county since the last election per NYT.
Anonymous
11/13/2022 08:28
Subject: Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One party is working across the aisle and the GOP wants to blow everything up.
You are part of the problem. You and everyone of you blaming the GOP for everything. Own your own party's idiocy first.
It’s hard to negotiate measures to control climate change when the GOP denies that climate change exists.
It’s hard to negotiate gun control (something that ~70% Americans want) when the GOP denies it’s a problem.
See a pattern here?
Anonymous
11/13/2022 07:55
Subject: Re:Divided country - can politicians find more ways to work across the aisle ?
Anonymous wrote:We need super pacs devoted to promoting bipartisan cooperation and compromises … but it might not be sexy enough for big donors … even though it is what the country needs …
Take it up with John Roberts, who, along with Amy and Brett, was down in Florida in 2000 to practice for 1/6 and who okayed all the dark money the GOP wanted. Take it up with the GOP who had billions of dark money this go round. Take it up with the GOP who laundered Russian money through the NRA (it’s illegal to take foreign donations, if you didn’t know).
This is a one sided problem.