Anonymous
Post 11/10/2022 01:07     Subject: Re:Men who steal women’s fertility
Anonymous wrote:Get out of here with this garbage. A woman can leave a man at any time, for any reason, or even for no reason at all. You can even leave him at any time if you're married to him right now. And in that case, when you leave, he has to pay you money! It is literally impossible for him to steal your time or your fertility because you have total control over it.

If you can't get pregnant then that's on you. If he is refusing to make you pregnant - there's the door right there. Walk out now, he can't stop you.


“Money”? Nope.
Anonymous
Post 11/10/2022 00:58     Subject: Re:Men who steal women’s fertility
Anonymous wrote:The thing is women have right to divorce these men and move on, freeze embryos etc but they chose to stay in these fruitless pointless marriages. So it's the women mistake just as much as his avoidance of commitment to her


Anonymous wrote:No one is stealing anyone sfertility. If a man shows you who he really is, believe him. It’s truly that simple.



Thank you!. I'm so tired of the women on here never taking responsibility for their choices.

Anonymous
Post 11/10/2022 00:38     Subject: Men who steal women’s fertility
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This happened to me.


Well I’m in a marriage where I haven’t had a child yet due to lack of interest and cooperation from my husband. Now I’m too terrified to leave as bow can I divorce, fall in love and have a baby with rapidly declining fertility?



Your fertility is declining no matter what you do. You can stay married and hope he changes his mind before it’s too late. Alternatively, you can divorce him now and date with purpose until you find a man who wants a family on the same timeline that you do.

I wouldn’t do as some other posters have suggested and “accidentally” get pregnant because you may not have the best parenting partner if you go that route.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2022 23:46     Subject: Re:Men who steal women’s fertility
No one is stealing anyone sfertility. If a man shows you who he really is, believe him. It’s truly that simple.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2022 23:32     Subject: Men who steal women’s fertility
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the problem is that there’s a lot of stigma around divorced women. [Somehow the 80% of women who initiate divorce manage to overcome that stigma. ]

We’re pressured to stick to our vows, even after a man changed the terms of the agreement and avoids having kids. [Who is doing this pressuring? Not DCUM Relationships, that's for sure. Here the all-purpose recommendation to any man problem is "divorce him".

You know how every time a man whines about a dead bedroom, the general female response is "she doesn't owe you sex"? That is changing the terms of the agreement, from his point of view, and you know full well that he feels pressured to stay in the marriage even though it sucks to be him. But to return to the subject at hand, guess what, he doesn't owe you babies. If he wants to remain celibate rather than make you pregnant, well, his body his choice, right? If he wanted to have kids and you didn't, how would you feel about him arguing that you changed the terms of the agreement and you owe him kids?]

Plus, it feels daunting. Divorce, dating, and remarriage can take years. So it feels easier to stick it out another couple years in hopes he’ll come around. [And of course you will take full responsibility for choosing poorly in the first place.]

I had to issue an ultimatum, and he said yes to kids but kept hemming and hawing. So I made it clear I was getting ready to date again and went off BC. Ended up pregnant, but it’s not a route I’d do again. I would just divorce the minute I could tell he was trying to back out.

[How is this different from him making you pregnant against your will? You coerced him into doing something he didn't want. And you're happy to argue it was all his fault really. ]


Dang, you’re one angry dude.

Things are different for women 40s/50s than 20s. All the things you’re afraid of in your 20s, you stop giving AF about in your 40s. I never would have divorced in my 20s but had zero problem when I was 33 and sick of dealing with his crap.

I definitely felt a lot of pressure from everyone not to divorce. Friends, family, community, church.

Not sure what sex has to do with anything. I quite like sex and don’t have a dead bedroom. But if a guy said “hey this lack of sex isn’t working for me and we need to fix it or I’m out”, I understand that. I said that myself to a boyfriend who wasn’t interest in sex (and then dumped him when things didn’t change).

I didn’t force him to do anything. Told him I wanted kids and if he wouldn’t do it now, I didn’t have time to wait around because I was 35. I hit the gym, spruced up my wardrobe, and spent more time out where I’d meet men. Told H I was off BC and he could still have sex with me if he wanted, but I wouldn’t get an abortion. He continued to have sex with me and would pull out, but guess he just wasn’t fast enough 🤷‍♀️

Anonymous
Post 11/09/2022 23:08     Subject: Re:Men who steal women’s fertility
I suggest use inseminations quietly and get pregnant while married. Particular if he has poor count himself. Then you either tell the husband post the fact, or never tell (oops forgot a pill). If he exits the marriage so be it, you still would have ended up divorced and childless in middle age.

He broke the agreement or not capable of giving you a child - his problem. He broke the christian marriage promise, pay him back with same. It's rightful and natural for women to want having babies
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2022 23:01     Subject: Men who steal women’s fertility
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the problem is that there’s a lot of stigma around divorced women. [Somehow the 80% of women who initiate divorce manage to overcome that stigma. ]

We’re pressured to stick to our vows, even after a man changed the terms of the agreement and avoids having kids. [Who is doing this pressuring? Not DCUM Relationships, that's for sure. Here the all-purpose recommendation to any man problem is "divorce him".

You know how every time a man whines about a dead bedroom, the general female response is "she doesn't owe you sex"? That is changing the terms of the agreement, from his point of view, and you know full well that he feels pressured to stay in the marriage even though it sucks to be him. But to return to the subject at hand, guess what, he doesn't owe you babies. If he wants to remain celibate rather than make you pregnant, well, his body his choice, right? If he wanted to have kids and you didn't, how would you feel about him arguing that you changed the terms of the agreement and you owe him kids?]

Plus, it feels daunting. Divorce, dating, and remarriage can take years. So it feels easier to stick it out another couple years in hopes he’ll come around. [And of course you will take full responsibility for choosing poorly in the first place.]

I had to issue an ultimatum, and he said yes to kids but kept hemming and hawing. So I made it clear I was getting ready to date again and went off BC. Ended up pregnant, but it’s not a route I’d do again. I would just divorce the minute I could tell he was trying to back out.

[How is this different from him making you pregnant against your will? You coerced him into doing something he didn't want. And you're happy to argue it was all his fault really. ]


Hello, you just want to blame women. But you are a woman. So therefore, you are a self-hating woman, and not a woman from whom to take any advice at all.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2022 22:54     Subject: Re:Men who steal women’s fertility
OP, if you are that woman who’s 35 and whose DH doesn’t want kids, I suggest you leave now. Have a kid on your own before it’s too late.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2022 22:54     Subject: Men who steal women’s fertility
Anonymous wrote:I think the problem is that there’s a lot of stigma around divorced women. [Somehow the 80% of women who initiate divorce manage to overcome that stigma. ]

We’re pressured to stick to our vows, even after a man changed the terms of the agreement and avoids having kids. [Who is doing this pressuring? Not DCUM Relationships, that's for sure. Here the all-purpose recommendation to any man problem is "divorce him".

You know how every time a man whines about a dead bedroom, the general female response is "she doesn't owe you sex"? That is changing the terms of the agreement, from his point of view, and you know full well that he feels pressured to stay in the marriage even though it sucks to be him. But to return to the subject at hand, guess what, he doesn't owe you babies. If he wants to remain celibate rather than make you pregnant, well, his body his choice, right? If he wanted to have kids and you didn't, how would you feel about him arguing that you changed the terms of the agreement and you owe him kids?]

Plus, it feels daunting. Divorce, dating, and remarriage can take years. So it feels easier to stick it out another couple years in hopes he’ll come around. [And of course you will take full responsibility for choosing poorly in the first place.]

I had to issue an ultimatum, and he said yes to kids but kept hemming and hawing. So I made it clear I was getting ready to date again and went off BC. Ended up pregnant, but it’s not a route I’d do again. I would just divorce the minute I could tell he was trying to back out.

[How is this different from him making you pregnant against your will? You coerced him into doing something he didn't want. And you're happy to argue it was all his fault really. ]
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2022 22:51     Subject: Men who steal women’s fertility
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This happened to me.


Well I’m in a marriage where I haven’t had a child yet due to lack of interest and cooperation from my husband. Now I’m too terrified to leave as bow can I divorce, fall in love and have a baby with rapidly declining fertility?


How old are you? Maybe you can freeze eggs (although there is no guarantee that would work either) or just run now if you are still young.

My AH husband and family stole my fertility - arranged marriage in early 20s. Husband is asexual, couldn't divorce due to cultural beliefs and parental pressure even though we are not compatible in anything. Tried IVFs in early 30's but found out my egg supply diminished early and my only option was egg donor. So I lost the chance to have my own biological kid because I stayed in a shitty sexless marriage. I've become a very bitter person since I was raised to stay and suffocate and that family honor was important. Now I am always depressed. Still married to a guy I hate.

I hope hearing this would help you.

Anonymous
Post 11/09/2022 22:49     Subject: Men who steal women’s fertility
I think everyone who knows they want kids and won’t be ok without kids should have a kid (or several) before 30. Don’t stay married for years without TTC. If your husband is infertile then divorce and try with someone else. Women need to look out for themselves.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2022 22:49     Subject: Re:Men who steal women’s fertility
Happened to a couple I know. She left after turning 40.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2022 22:48     Subject: Men who steal women’s fertility
Anonymous wrote:The Jennifer Anniston story reminds me of this. So many times a man wastes a woman’s time only to divorce or leave her in her 30s and childless. While the man goes on to marry and have children the woman is left robbed of her fertile and out of time to have kids of her own.

This is criminal!


I agree. I think it happens more often than I think.
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2022 22:47     Subject: Re:Men who steal women’s fertility
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've been watching The Vow on HBO and following along with other podcasts surrounding the NXIVM trial. The leader Keith Raniere told dozens of women that he would have a baby with them, and then he would renege and tell them they'd blown their chance because of an "ethical breach" like vaguely flirting with another man. And now these women are too old to have babies. These women were brainwashed and abused and I think it's safe to say he stole their fertility.


Play stupid games with some cult leader weirdo, win stupid prizes.


A cult can be 2 people, in a terrible relationship. The parellels are endless
Anonymous
Post 11/09/2022 22:44     Subject: Men who steal women’s fertility
Troll working overtime tonight lol