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Anonymous wrote:We like more traditional education for our daughter, one in which she won't be on an iPad or a Chromebook, but will work with good, old-fashioned books, papers and pencils. Suggestions? Thanks

Wow you are stupid and you want your kid to be undeducated?

How sad that people don't understand how bad technology in the classroom is today. I wonder how bad things have to get before society looks back and realizes we made a terrible, terrible mistake by making elementary schoolers be on ipads all day.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We like more traditional education for our daughter, one in which she won't be on an iPad or a Chromebook, but will work with good, old-fashioned books, papers and pencils. Suggestions? Thanks

Why? Don’t you want her to be prepared for the real, working world?

What a peculiar thing to want.

So there have been not a small number of projects where computers and internet access were passed out to students. It's not just that students who receive computers do worse, they even become less likely to major in *computer science*, probably because of their decline in math skills vis-a-vis the ones lucky enough not to be given free computers.

PISA is less hard core on the subject then I am, perhaps you'll listen to them:

https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/9789264239555-en.pdf?expires=1667592471&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=3230E9C944D16147522C833F648DBBBE


'[O]verall, even mesures of [Instructional Computer Technology] use in classrooms and schools show often
negative associations with student performance. Average reading proficiency, for instance, is not
higher in countries where studentsmore frequently browse the Internet for schoolwork at school. Figure
6.4 shows that in countries where it is more common for students to use the Internet at school for schoolwork,
students’ performance in reading declined, on average. Similarly, mathematics proficiency tends to be
lower in countries/economies where the share of students who use computers in mathematics
lessons is larger (Figure 6.2).
An alternative possibility is that resources invested in equipping schools with digital technology
may have benefitted other learning outcomes, such as “digital” skills, transitions into the labour
market, or other skills different from reading, mathematics and science.
However, the associations with ICT access/use are weak, and sometimes negative, even when
results in digital reading or computer-based mathematics are examined, rather than results in
paper-based tests (Figure 6.2). In addition, even specific digital reading competencies do not
appear to be higher in countries where browsing the Internet for schoolwork is more frequent."

Want your kids to do well as computer science majors in college? Teach them formal logic in middle school.
-CS major/current programmer who went to a tiny classical Christian school back in the day

Anonymous wrote:I keep hearing again and again that public schools are using screens to control kids- rowdy at lunch, put on a video. Laptops can access PBS kids- work out teachers let kids access games as much as they want.

The companies selling the laptops and software are getting rich having lobbied the school boards.

Some screen time is fine- but most schools are over doing it! I think we are doing our kids a dis service

Anonymous wrote:Parochial school

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We like more traditional education for our daughter, one in which she won't be on an iPad or a Chromebook, but will work with good, old-fashioned books, papers and pencils. Suggestions? Thanks

Why? Don’t you want her to be prepared for the real, working world?

What a peculiar thing to want.

So there have been not a small number of projects where computers and internet access were passed out to students. It's not just that students who receive computers do worse, they even become less likely to major in *computer science*, probably because of their decline in math skills vis-a-vis the ones lucky enough not to be given free computers.

PISA is less hard core on the subject then I am, perhaps you'll listen to them:

https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/9789264239555-en.pdf?expires=1667592471&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=3230E9C944D16147522C833F648DBBBE


'[O]verall, even mesures of [Instructional Computer Technology] use in classrooms and schools show often
negative associations with student performance. Average reading proficiency, for instance, is not
higher in countries where studentsmore frequently browse the Internet for schoolwork at school. Figure
6.4 shows that in countries where it is more common for students to use the Internet at school for schoolwork,
students’ performance in reading declined, on average. Similarly, mathematics proficiency tends to be
lower in countries/economies where the share of students who use computers in mathematics
lessons is larger (Figure 6.2).
An alternative possibility is that resources invested in equipping schools with digital technology
may have benefitted other learning outcomes, such as “digital” skills, transitions into the labour
market, or other skills different from reading, mathematics and science.
However, the associations with ICT access/use are weak, and sometimes negative, even when
results in digital reading or computer-based mathematics are examined, rather than results in
paper-based tests (Figure 6.2). In addition, even specific digital reading competencies do not
appear to be higher in countries where browsing the Internet for schoolwork is more frequent."

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One of our biggest disappointments was going private only to find just as many screens. It's not Catholic, though.

Which private?

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: what are you going to do when your kid goes to college? All colleges use technology. All of them. You want to train your kid to use tech safely and correctly now rather than hope all works out later.

This is so dumb. I was born in 1981. As a child, most of my classmates were not good at using a computer. We didn't have cell phones or wifi internet until college. Yet all of us function fine in the technological world now. You don't need to turn kindergarteners into screen zombies for them to learn technology by the time they are adults.

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Anonymous wrote:Parochial school

One of our biggest disappointments was going private only to find just as many screens. It's not Catholic, though.

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: what are you going to do when your kid goes to college? All colleges use technology. All of them. You want to train your kid to use tech safely and correctly now rather than hope all works out later.

Anonymous wrote:Parochial school

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: what are you going to do when your kid goes to college? All colleges use technology. All of them. You want to train your kid to use tech safely and correctly now rather than hope all works out later.

This OP

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Anonymous wrote:^ To add, I wish parents didn’t fall into this fallacy of “iPad games will help my child succeed in the world!” Maybe then there would be more parent advocacy for limiting tech in public school.

Many iPad games benefited my kids early on, especially in teaching mathematics. In later elementary sites like Beast & Khan Academy were helpful. Currently, they're really into interactive learning from brilliant.org. These are all excellent resources that are adaptive and make learning fun and interactive.

Anonymous wrote:^ To add, I wish parents didn’t fall into this fallacy of “iPad games will help my child succeed in the world!” Maybe then there would be more parent advocacy for limiting tech in public school.