Anonymous wrote:This is silly.

Understatement of the century.

Anonymous wrote:This debate was basically ended through that popular Reddit post where someone took all the popular ranking systems and averaged each top school's ranks to find the best overall schools: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/

My breakdown would be:
1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Duke, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Northwestern

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

Hey someone remembers Hamilton, nice!

Anonymous wrote:This debate was basically ended through that popular Reddit post where someone took all the popular ranking systems and averaged each top school's ranks to find the best overall schools: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/

My breakdown would be:
1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Duke, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Northwestern

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

+1 except I think Duke is somewhere in the middle of 1A and 1B, I could see it being 1A in the future though. Caltech is also somewhere in that gray area between 1A and 1B. I also think Hopkins has a strong case for 2A instead of 2B.

Anonymous wrote:This debate was basically ended through that popular Reddit post where someone took all the popular ranking systems and averaged each top school's ranks to find the best overall schools: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/

My breakdown would be:
1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Duke, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Northwestern

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

Finally someone properly including LACs, this is the best one for sure. Academically LACs might have as good or even better of an experience compared to the "tier 1" schools but they lack in high caliber research and layman recognition, which might not matter much depending on the person.

This debate was basically ended through that popular Reddit post where someone took all the popular ranking systems and averaged each top school's ranks to find the best overall schools: https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/xc0v5x/the_2023_supreme_t75_college_ranking_aggregating/

My breakdown would be:
1A) MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Duke, Yale
1B) Penn, Caltech, Columbia, Northwestern

2A) Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, Brown, UChicago, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Pomona
2B) UMich, Johns Hopkins, WashU, Notre Dame, Georgetown, UCLA, Berkeley, Swarthmore, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna

3A) UVA, UNC, CMU, UF, Emory, USC, Georgia Tech, Wellesley, Barnard, Carleton, Middlebury
3B) UCSD, BC, UT Austin, W&M, UIUC, W&L, Vassar, Davidson, Hamilton, Haverford

Anonymous wrote:1A) Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT, Princeton
1B) Caltech, Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Columbia

2A) Hopkins, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Duke, Williams, Amherst
2B) Vanderbilt, Berkeley, UCLA, Georgetown, Notre Dame, WashU, Rice, Swarthmore, Pomona

3A) CMU, Emory, Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Wellesley
3B) UNC, BC, BU, W&M, UCSB, UCSD, Davidson, Barnard

Looks good

Anonymous wrote:I would put the top LACs in the 2A and 2B tiers.

2A: Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore (along with Hopkins, Brown, etc.)
2B: Pomona, Wellesley, Bowdoin, Carleton (along with Vanderbilt, Berkeley, etc.)

Move pomona to 2a and this is right

Anonymous wrote:1A) Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT, Princeton
1B) Caltech, Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Columbia

2A) Hopkins, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Duke, Williams, Amherst
2B) Vanderbilt, Berkeley, UCLA, Georgetown, Notre Dame, WashU, Rice, Swarthmore, Pomona

3A) CMU, Emory, Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Wellesley
3B) UNC, BC, BU, W&M, UCSB, UCSD, Davidson, Barnard

I'm not going to think more of graduates of many of your higher tier schools compared to your lower tiered schools in many cases. To me this is evidence that these are meaningless distinctions.

It's impossible for any one person to have a real understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of 50+ schools except perhaps if you spent a whole career in college advising, visiting lots and lots of schools and hearing back from students about their experiences at a wide range of schools.

These lists just end up being replications of other peoples' lists since you are just reiterating someone else's opinions of relative status which is based on prior ideas of status.

No

1A) Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT, Princeton
1B) Caltech, Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Columbia

2A) Hopkins, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Duke, Williams, Amherst
2B) Vanderbilt, Berkeley, UCLA, Georgetown, Notre Dame, WashU, Rice, Swarthmore, Pomona

3A) CMU, Emory, Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Wellesley
3B) UNC, BC, BU, W&M, UCSB, UCSD, Davidson, Barnard

Anonymous wrote:1A) Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT, Princeton
1B) Caltech, Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Columbia

2A) Hopkins, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Duke
2B) Vanderbilt, Berkeley, UCLA, Georgetown, Notre Dame, WashU, Rice

3A) CMU, Emory, Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts
et al.

+1.

1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Rice
2B) Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna.

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard,
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Vassar, Smith

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Williams, Amherst
2B) Rice, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson

This is the way to look at it..

I'd add Berkeley to 2B and move Michigan to 2B as well.

That's probably right. I do think some more can fit into 3B. Aso I think UCLA is probably overranked at 2B probably more accurate at 3A. Add Claremont McKenna and Bowdoin too I think. Rice I think belongs in 2A. Vassar and Smith probably belong at Barnard level or next one down.

1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Williams, Amherst, Rice
2B) Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna.

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard,
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson, Vassar, Smith

Anonymous wrote:1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Williams, Amherst
2B) Rice, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson

This is the way to look at it..

I'd add Berkeley to 2B and move Michigan to 2B as well.