Anonymous
10/19/2022 21:12
Subject: I'm really digging the Bronco Sports I see on the road
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I much prefer the Bronco to a Jeep Wrangler. Bronco is much roomier inside, and the base 2.3L EcoBoost® Engine has been used for several years in the Mustang and Explorer.
The Jeep engines, in particular the NA 3.6L, are a better engine the 2.3/2.7 EcoBoost. Ford has had numerous issues with the boost intercooler, bearings in the turbocharger, oil sludge formation, piston ring erosion, and bad valve springs. Basically the turbocharger beats the engine to death over time because of the boost pressures.
The Jeep 3.6L, other than being a VVTi engine with hydraulic lifters, is still a pretty primitive motor, and that lends durability and long term reliability. There’s about 2 million Jeeps running around with the 3.6L right now, not too mention several dozen million more Ram pick ups and Dodge minivans with the same motor. That’s a much better track record than the EcoBoost.
As for roomier? They’re virtually identical.
Just say you hate Jeeps. At least be honest about it.
Interiors space are not identical, Bronco has 6 inch wider wheels positioning, and Jeep Wrangler doors are positioned inside wheel wells, while Broncos doors are positioned at the outside line of wheel wells.
Also, there is a reason Consumer reports labeled the 2022 Wrangler as the single most unreliable car on the market.
And yet I’ve owned 4 generations Jeep Wranglers going all the way back to 1995, all of which I put a minimum of 120k miles on or more, without any major issues in any of them.
How’s that happen?
Seriously- how do you explain that?
Useless anecdata?
You can’t spell anecdata without data
Anonymous
10/19/2022 21:11
Subject: I'm really digging the Bronco Sports I see on the road
Anonymous wrote:Jeeps are known junk.
Tell me you know nothing about Jeeps without telling me you know nothing about Jeeps
Anonymous
10/19/2022 01:23
Subject: I'm really digging the Bronco Sports I see on the road
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I much prefer the Bronco to a Jeep Wrangler. Bronco is much roomier inside, and the base 2.3L EcoBoost® Engine has been used for several years in the Mustang and Explorer.
The Jeep engines, in particular the NA 3.6L, are a better engine the 2.3/2.7 EcoBoost. Ford has had numerous issues with the boost intercooler, bearings in the turbocharger, oil sludge formation, piston ring erosion, and bad valve springs. Basically the turbocharger beats the engine to death over time because of the boost pressures.
The Jeep 3.6L, other than being a VVTi engine with hydraulic lifters, is still a pretty primitive motor, and that lends durability and long term reliability. There’s about 2 million Jeeps running around with the 3.6L right now, not too mention several dozen million more Ram pick ups and Dodge minivans with the same motor. That’s a much better track record than the EcoBoost.
As for roomier? They’re virtually identical.
Just say you hate Jeeps. At least be honest about it.
Interiors space are not identical, Bronco has 6 inch wider wheels positioning, and Jeep Wrangler doors are positioned inside wheel wells, while Broncos doors are positioned at the outside line of wheel wells.
Also, there is a reason Consumer reports labeled the 2022 Wrangler as the single most unreliable car on the market.
And yet I’ve owned 4 generations Jeep Wranglers going all the way back to 1995, all of which I put a minimum of 120k miles on or more, without any major issues in any of them.
How’s that happen?
Seriously- how do you explain that?
Useless anecdata?
Anonymous
10/19/2022 01:22
Subject: I'm really digging the Bronco Sports I see on the road
Jeeps are known junk.
Anonymous
10/19/2022 01:12
Subject: I'm really digging the Bronco Sports I see on the road
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I much prefer the Bronco to a Jeep Wrangler. Bronco is much roomier inside, and the base 2.3L EcoBoost® Engine has been used for several years in the Mustang and Explorer.
The Jeep engines, in particular the NA 3.6L, are a better engine the 2.3/2.7 EcoBoost. Ford has had numerous issues with the boost intercooler, bearings in the turbocharger, oil sludge formation, piston ring erosion, and bad valve springs. Basically the turbocharger beats the engine to death over time because of the boost pressures.
The Jeep 3.6L, other than being a VVTi engine with hydraulic lifters, is still a pretty primitive motor, and that lends durability and long term reliability. There’s about 2 million Jeeps running around with the 3.6L right now, not too mention several dozen million more Ram pick ups and Dodge minivans with the same motor. That’s a much better track record than the EcoBoost.
As for roomier? They’re virtually identical.
Just say you hate Jeeps. At least be honest about it.
Interiors space are not identical, Bronco has 6 inch wider wheels positioning, and Jeep Wrangler doors are positioned inside wheel wells, while Broncos doors are positioned at the outside line of wheel wells.
That’s a design feature, not a bug.
By keeping the wheels somewhat outside the body tub, and using fender flares to cover the wheel arches, it minimizes damage to the body and doors from glancing impacts with rocks and trees while driving on narrow off-road trails. The tires and fender flares rub the rocks/trees instead of the body tub, preventing expensive sheet metal damage to the body. The fender flares are flexible and designed to be resistant to damage, and if they are damaged, can be easily replaced by the owner instead of needing a trip to the body shop and a $$$$ bill for bodywork.
You’re out of your depth here.
Oh wow, I never knew that! That was really clever. I never understood why Jeeps had plastic fenders that stick out so far. That makes total sense.
The engineers who designed Jeeps going back as far as the CJ-7’s of the 1970’s were not stupid people. They came up with a form that functioned, and they stayed with it. Much as how Porsche has done with the 911 series. The vehicle is what it is because it’s designed that way. A lot of very practical thinking went into it. There’s something worth respecting there.
Anonymous
10/08/2022 00:15
Subject: I'm really digging the Bronco Sports I see on the road
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I much prefer the Bronco to a Jeep Wrangler. Bronco is much roomier inside, and the base 2.3L EcoBoost® Engine has been used for several years in the Mustang and Explorer.
The Jeep engines, in particular the NA 3.6L, are a better engine the 2.3/2.7 EcoBoost. Ford has had numerous issues with the boost intercooler, bearings in the turbocharger, oil sludge formation, piston ring erosion, and bad valve springs. Basically the turbocharger beats the engine to death over time because of the boost pressures.
The Jeep 3.6L, other than being a VVTi engine with hydraulic lifters, is still a pretty primitive motor, and that lends durability and long term reliability. There’s about 2 million Jeeps running around with the 3.6L right now, not too mention several dozen million more Ram pick ups and Dodge minivans with the same motor. That’s a much better track record than the EcoBoost.
As for roomier? They’re virtually identical.
Just say you hate Jeeps. At least be honest about it.
Interiors space are not identical, Bronco has 6 inch wider wheels positioning, and Jeep Wrangler doors are positioned inside wheel wells, while Broncos doors are positioned at the outside line of wheel wells.
That’s a design feature, not a bug.
By keeping the wheels somewhat outside the body tub, and using fender flares to cover the wheel arches, it minimizes damage to the body and doors from glancing impacts with rocks and trees while driving on narrow off-road trails. The tires and fender flares rub the rocks/trees instead of the body tub, preventing expensive sheet metal damage to the body. The fender flares are flexible and designed to be resistant to damage, and if they are damaged, can be easily replaced by the owner instead of needing a trip to the body shop and a $$$$ bill for bodywork.
You’re out of your depth here.
Oh wow, I never knew that! That was really clever. I never understood why Jeeps had plastic fenders that stick out so far. That makes total sense.
Anonymous
10/04/2022 14:34
Subject: I'm really digging the Bronco Sports I see on the road
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I much prefer the Bronco to a Jeep Wrangler. Bronco is much roomier inside, and the base 2.3L EcoBoost® Engine has been used for several years in the Mustang and Explorer.
The Jeep engines, in particular the NA 3.6L, are a better engine the 2.3/2.7 EcoBoost. Ford has had numerous issues with the boost intercooler, bearings in the turbocharger, oil sludge formation, piston ring erosion, and bad valve springs. Basically the turbocharger beats the engine to death over time because of the boost pressures.
The Jeep 3.6L, other than being a VVTi engine with hydraulic lifters, is still a pretty primitive motor, and that lends durability and long term reliability. There’s about 2 million Jeeps running around with the 3.6L right now, not too mention several dozen million more Ram pick ups and Dodge minivans with the same motor. That’s a much better track record than the EcoBoost.
As for roomier? They’re virtually identical.
Just say you hate Jeeps. At least be honest about it.
Interiors space are not identical, Bronco has 6 inch wider wheels positioning, and Jeep Wrangler doors are positioned inside wheel wells, while Broncos doors are positioned at the outside line of wheel wells.
That’s a design feature, not a bug.
By keeping the wheels somewhat outside the body tub, and using fender flares to cover the wheel arches, it minimizes damage to the body and doors from glancing impacts with rocks and trees while driving on narrow off-road trails. The tires and fender flares rub the rocks/trees instead of the body tub, preventing expensive sheet metal damage to the body. The fender flares are flexible and designed to be resistant to damage, and if they are damaged, can be easily replaced by the owner instead of needing a trip to the body shop and a $$$$ bill for bodywork.
You’re out of your depth here.
Anonymous
10/04/2022 14:26
Subject: I'm really digging the Bronco Sports I see on the road
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I much prefer the Bronco to a Jeep Wrangler. Bronco is much roomier inside, and the base 2.3L EcoBoost® Engine has been used for several years in the Mustang and Explorer.
The Jeep engines, in particular the NA 3.6L, are a better engine the 2.3/2.7 EcoBoost. Ford has had numerous issues with the boost intercooler, bearings in the turbocharger, oil sludge formation, piston ring erosion, and bad valve springs. Basically the turbocharger beats the engine to death over time because of the boost pressures.
The Jeep 3.6L, other than being a VVTi engine with hydraulic lifters, is still a pretty primitive motor, and that lends durability and long term reliability. There’s about 2 million Jeeps running around with the 3.6L right now, not too mention several dozen million more Ram pick ups and Dodge minivans with the same motor. That’s a much better track record than the EcoBoost.
As for roomier? They’re virtually identical.
Just say you hate Jeeps. At least be honest about it.
Interiors space are not identical, Bronco has 6 inch wider wheels positioning, and Jeep Wrangler doors are positioned inside wheel wells, while Broncos doors are positioned at the outside line of wheel wells.
Also, there is a reason Consumer reports labeled the 2022 Wrangler as the single most unreliable car on the market.
And yet I’ve owned 4 generations Jeep Wranglers going all the way back to 1995, all of which I put a minimum of 120k miles on or more, without any major issues in any of them.
How’s that happen?
Seriously- how do you explain that?
Anonymous
10/02/2022 20:06
Subject: Re:I'm really digging the Bronco Sports I see on the road
Anonymous wrote:I prefer it in white, OJ edition:
When I first heard that Ford was bringing back the Bronco I figured it would be a beast like this one was. The current ones remind me more of the old Bronco II than the Bronco.
Anonymous
10/02/2022 16:33
Subject: I'm really digging the Bronco Sports I see on the road
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I much prefer the Bronco to a Jeep Wrangler. Bronco is much roomier inside, and the base 2.3L EcoBoost® Engine has been used for several years in the Mustang and Explorer.
The Jeep engines, in particular the NA 3.6L, are a better engine the 2.3/2.7 EcoBoost. Ford has had numerous issues with the boost intercooler, bearings in the turbocharger, oil sludge formation, piston ring erosion, and bad valve springs. Basically the turbocharger beats the engine to death over time because of the boost pressures.
The Jeep 3.6L, other than being a VVTi engine with hydraulic lifters, is still a pretty primitive motor, and that lends durability and long term reliability. There’s about 2 million Jeeps running around with the 3.6L right now, not too mention several dozen million more Ram pick ups and Dodge minivans with the same motor. That’s a much better track record than the EcoBoost.
As for roomier? They’re virtually identical.
Just say you hate Jeeps. At least be honest about it.
Interiors space are not identical, Bronco has 6 inch wider wheels positioning, and Jeep Wrangler doors are positioned inside wheel wells, while Broncos doors are positioned at the outside line of wheel wells.
Also, there is a reason Consumer reports labeled the 2022 Wrangler as the single most unreliable car on the market.
Anonymous
09/30/2022 20:16
Subject: I'm really digging the Bronco Sports I see on the road
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't buy American cars. Most are absolute junk. I am not a car person so I stick to my Japanese cars that will last forever.
Japanese cars suck. No soul, no style and Japan was best friends with Uncle Adolph
If Japanese cars suck so much - then why do consumers pay more for them?
Because they actually hold their value much better.
A Honda Accord has a much better resale value overall than a Ford Focus.
Or even a Hyundai Sonota.
Because consumers are suckers.
Anonymous
09/30/2022 16:56
Subject: I'm really digging the Bronco Sports I see on the road
I love them. I looked at used prices and even some new prices at dealerships. It is insane how much above MSRP they are going for. I will have to get on the waiting list for a new one.
Anonymous
09/29/2022 18:55
Subject: I'm really digging the Bronco Sports I see on the road
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't buy American cars. Most are absolute junk. I am not a car person so I stick to my Japanese cars that will last forever.
Japanese cars suck. No soul, no style and Japan was best friends with Uncle Adolph
If Japanese cars suck so much - then why do consumers pay more for them?
Because they actually hold their value much better.
A Honda Accord has a much better resale value overall than a Ford Focus.
Or even a Hyundai Sonota.