Anonymous
09/19/2022 11:06
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Aren’t people native to the place where they were born?
Not necessarily.
Most in the U.S. are occupiers.
+1
It depends on how you define native, of course. But since there are "Native Americans," it's weird to call yourself "native to America." I think people usually say "first generation immigrant" or "born the USA" or something like that if they want to say they were born in the US.
There are American Indians or more properly, the specific tribe. Of course most Americans are native to the U.S. Where else would we be native to?
I think you can say that and be technically accurate, I just think it's a weird thing to say since Native American has a very specific meaning. Why would you even have to say "I'm native to America?" I say "I'm from the US," "Born in America," "seventh generation American," whatever. If I had to say I was "native," I'd say I was native to my region, so "native Georgian" or something. I still think it sounds weird and it's odd that people would insist on it.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 11:01
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Who says native to America, ever? How would that come up in a conversation? If someone asks where you're from, you just say America. Or the United States.
This is just stupid.
This is just stupid.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:58
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Aren’t people native to the place where they were born?
Not necessarily.
Most in the U.S. are occupiers.
+1
It depends on how you define native, of course. But since there are "Native Americans," it's weird to call yourself "native to America." I think people usually say "first generation immigrant" or "born the USA" or something like that if they want to say they were born in the US.
There are American Indians or more properly, the specific tribe. Of course most Americans are native to the U.S. Where else would we be native to?
Most “Americans” are occupiers, living on stolen land.
Which is a good not bad thing. If you can't defend your land, you lose it. Natives took land from each other all the time. No utopia before Europeans. And indeed their ancestors came from Asia and stole the land first.
Spoken like a true ultra-MAGA.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:41
Subject: Re:Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
This is something only a white person would think of...
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:35
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
This is about as dumb as first generation white South African in America called themselves African American.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:33
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
“She is a native of France” means that she is from France, even if parents came from somewhere else.
“He is a native of the USA” means that he is from the USA, even if ancestors came from somewhere else.
In this instance, “native” doesn’t mean the same as indigenous.
Ideally, none of us would be here other than the indigenous Americans. But we’re here (I’m an immigrant). You can’t turn back time.
“He is a native of the USA” means that he is from the USA, even if ancestors came from somewhere else.
In this instance, “native” doesn’t mean the same as indigenous.
Ideally, none of us would be here other than the indigenous Americans. But we’re here (I’m an immigrant). You can’t turn back time.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:28
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
#LandBack
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:26
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Aren’t people native to the place where they were born?
Not necessarily.
Most in the U.S. are occupiers.
That's just silly, and I suspect you are trying to pass yourself as some kind of leftist. You are a native of the country in which you are born, although few Americans would refer to themselves as "native Americans" because the term "Native American" refers to the indigenous people who inhabited this country prior to the arrival of European colonists.
Agreed, with the caveat that most progressives would think this is nonsense as well.
By pp's ridiculous logic, only Adam and Eve are native.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:24
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.
Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.
By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.
Oh please.
PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?
My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).
So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.
But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.
They are all American. The adjectives describe different flavors, not different countries.
In comparison to how this is defined in other Nations, it poses a problem unique to America. As a person of example, Jamaican or Japanese heritage can become Australian without being titled Jamaican-Australian or Japanese-Australian, how does America correct this over time? Or does it never change as America is not old enough to accept all as American.
It just corrects the longer you have generations born in the US. Irish and Italians went through this not so long ago. Now people rarely self identify as both. Once your grandparents or great-grandparents were born in the US, and have no ties back to their home country, you just say American. There's no set timeframe, it just happens.
It only happens over time organically for white people. Which is ok. I'm good with African American or Black.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:23
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Aren’t people native to the place where they were born?
Not necessarily.
Most in the U.S. are occupiers.
+1
It depends on how you define native, of course. But since there are "Native Americans," it's weird to call yourself "native to America." I think people usually say "first generation immigrant" or "born the USA" or something like that if they want to say they were born in the US.
There are American Indians or more properly, the specific tribe. Of course most Americans are native to the U.S. Where else would we be native to?
Most “Americans” are occupiers, living on stolen land.
Which is a good not bad thing. If you can't defend your land, you lose it. Natives took land from each other all the time. No utopia before Europeans. And indeed their ancestors came from Asia and stole the land first.
So we should spend all our time defending our little plot of land? That would spell progress to you?
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:22
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.
Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.
By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.
Oh please.
PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?
My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).
So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.
But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.
They are all American. The adjectives describe different flavors, not different countries.
In comparison to how this is defined in other Nations, it poses a problem unique to America. As a person of example, Jamaican or Japanese heritage can become Australian without being titled Jamaican-Australian or Japanese-Australian, how does America correct this over time? Or does it never change as America is not old enough to accept all as American.
It just corrects the longer you have generations born in the US. Irish and Italians went through this not so long ago. Now people rarely self identify as both. Once your grandparents or great-grandparents were born in the US, and have no ties back to their home country, you just say American. There's no set timeframe, it just happens.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:22
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
In Alaska we used two distinct terms: a "native Alaskan" is anyone born in Alaska, while Alaska Native refers to the indigenous peoples. Small-n native as an adjective just means you're from there.
In the rest of the country Native American refers specifically to the indigenous people, but I think there's still room to consider someone "native" (not capitalized) to a place even if their ancestors came from somewhere else. The term can have two different meanings.
In the rest of the country Native American refers specifically to the indigenous people, but I think there's still room to consider someone "native" (not capitalized) to a place even if their ancestors came from somewhere else. The term can have two different meanings.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:19
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.
Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.
By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.
Oh please.
PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?
My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).
So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.
But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.
They are all American. The adjectives describe different flavors, not different countries.
In comparison to how this is defined in other Nations, it poses a problem unique to America. As a person of example, Jamaican or Japanese heritage can become Australian without being titled Jamaican-Australian or Japanese-Australian, how does America correct this over time? Or does it never change as America is not old enough to accept all as American.
It's not a problem. The adjectives don't separate people or unAmerican them, they celebrate the differences as everyone assimilates.
You have either missed the point or are just being mean. Not sure which.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:19
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Aren’t people native to the place where they were born?
Not necessarily.
Most in the U.S. are occupiers.
+1
It depends on how you define native, of course. But since there are "Native Americans," it's weird to call yourself "native to America." I think people usually say "first generation immigrant" or "born the USA" or something like that if they want to say they were born in the US.
There are American Indians or more properly, the specific tribe. Of course most Americans are native to the U.S. Where else would we be native to?
Most “Americans” are occupiers, living on stolen land.
Which is a good not bad thing. If you can't defend your land, you lose it. Natives took land from each other all the time. No utopia before Europeans. And indeed their ancestors came from Asia and stole the land first.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:17
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.
Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.
By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.
Oh please.
PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?
My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).
So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.
But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.
They are all American. The adjectives describe different flavors, not different countries.
In comparison to how this is defined in other Nations, it poses a problem unique to America. As a person of example, Jamaican or Japanese heritage can become Australian without being titled Jamaican-Australian or Japanese-Australian, how does America correct this over time? Or does it never change as America is not old enough to accept all as American.