Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have a teacher with a great undergrad / grad degree who is intellectually rigorous than a mediocre one who got through the joke that is teacher certification. Sounds like a win-win; fill the open jobs with better teachers.

About 75% of the “career switchers” I’ve worked with have crashed and burned quickly because their BA in Marketing and “real world experience” didn’t remotely prepare them for teaching.

Intellectually rigorous indeed.

Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have a teacher with a great undergrad / grad degree who is intellectually rigorous than a mediocre one who got through the joke that is teacher certification. Sounds like a win-win; fill the open jobs with better teachers.

Like lmao this post is just "public schools should just hire better people why not done?"

Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have a teacher with a great undergrad / grad degree who is intellectually rigorous than a mediocre one who got through the joke that is teacher certification. Sounds like a win-win; fill the open jobs with better teachers.

A lot of people would like that but this is America and those people ain't taking public school teaching jobs lmao

Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have a teacher with a great undergrad / grad degree who is intellectually rigorous than a mediocre one who got through the joke that is teacher certification. Sounds like a win-win; fill the open jobs with better teachers.

You think people with rigorous grad degrees are going to take these jobs? I have a bridge I’d like to sell you.

I’d rather have a teacher with a great undergrad / grad degree who is intellectually rigorous than a mediocre one who got through the joke that is teacher certification. Sounds like a win-win; fill the open jobs with better teachers.

Youngkin didn’t drive away teachers. None of us care about the tip like. The ones I know left because of unrealistic demands from admin and central office staff which led them to not have enough time to do their jobs. Others left because they were sick of dealing with unruly parents or they didn’t like working with kids.

I’m a teacher and get frustrated by new initiatives put in every year that make my job harder and don’t benefit students. I voted for Youngkin.

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Perhaps your “unqualified” teachers will actually be more successful teachers than your so-called qualified teachers, OP.

Your teaching degree has never been proven to be all that impressive if you look at student outcome of homeschooled students.

Why is that, OP?

Hahaha. We’re not impressed with your homeschoolers. Sorry. Bet you “taught” math by “learning to bake.”

Baking is actually a good way to teach fractions and units of measurement.

To 20+ kids?

Anonymous wrote:If he didn’t do that, there would be no teachers. And no, Youngkin didn’t drive any teachers away. Ask any of them that have left the profession. Not one would have Youngkin on their list of reasons.

Kay I just asked and yeah, the tip line definitely contributed.

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Anonymous wrote:If he didn’t do that, there would be no teachers. And no, Youngkin didn’t drive any teachers away. Ask any of them that have left the profession. Not one would have Youngkin on their list of reasons.

I know 2 school librarians who are planning to exit at the end of this year before Gov Jerkweed goes full Desantis and starts requiring parental approval for every book on the shelf or face firing.

Yes, most folks who left were ready to leave regardless of the Governor but he’s not helping the situation.

I'm a teacher / librarian who has left with no plans to go back into education.

If the state wants to go backwards, they can do it without me.

I think it would make more sense to approve people without a teaching license (and therefore student teaching experience) for a yearlong apprentice program and then transition them to a full-time position. That sets them up for more support and success.

Anonymous wrote:All states with Republican governors are doing this because they know it will fail. When peoples kids receive subpar “education” from random adults with zero content expertise or knowledge of pedagogy or child development, they’ll want to leave public school. Imagine Nancy Kerrigan having her own bodyguard bust her knee with a pipe. It’s that.

-actual licensed teacher with a masters degree in what I do

I’d honestly love to agree with you, but this hasn’t been the case in at least one state. In 2016 Utah law changed and now somebody with professional experience in the subject can be a teacher as long as they have a college degree and pass the state test required for certification. In 2018 Utah was ranked 8th in quality of education. In 2022 several Utah high schools were ranked by US news and world report as among the best in the nation.

Actually I think it’s great!

I loathe youngkin. I hate the way he has branded himself as a socially acceptable alternative to trump when practically speaking they are the same.

But we have an emergency here! Have you seen how desperate we are for teachers? And actually teacher training isn’t as impactful as you’d think. They have done research and there isn’t a lot of evidence that teacher credentials make for better student outcomes. What matters is experience and we need to get on that ASAP. I know it can seem insulting to teachers who have worked so hard to get their credentials but I see this as the same as suspending some requirements for nurses and doctors during the pandemic. A crisis is a crisis.

https://www.nber.org/digest/aug07/teacher-credentials-dont-matter-student-achievement

I think governors are copying DeSantis - didn't DeSantis do something like this? In any case, it may not be ideal to lower standards but there is a shortage and teachers are overworked. Anything to support the existing teachers we do have is better than nothing if it will mean having enough substitutes and staff so that the existing workforce is not worked to exhaustion and burns out. So, I am all for streamlining the licensing process and for expediting the licensure of teachers who need to renew their licenses or recognizing teachers already licensed in other states.

Anonymous wrote:If he didn’t do that, there would be no teachers. And no, Youngkin didn’t drive any teachers away. Ask any of them that have left the profession. Not one would have Youngkin on their list of reasons.

I know 2 school librarians who are planning to exit at the end of this year before Gov Jerkweed goes full Desantis and starts requiring parental approval for every book on the shelf or face firing.

Yes, most folks who left were ready to leave regardless of the Governor but he’s not helping the situation.

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Perhaps your “unqualified” teachers will actually be more successful teachers than your so-called qualified teachers, OP.

Your teaching degree has never been proven to be all that impressive if you look at student outcome of homeschooled students.

Why is that, OP?

Hahaha. We’re not impressed with your homeschoolers. Sorry. Bet you “taught” math by “learning to bake.”

Baking is actually a good way to teach fractions and units of measurement.