Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one cares about these rankings. It's the US News ranking that matters.
You were ahead with the first sentence. Then the second sentence showed up. Sad.
You clearly aren't a college counselor
Maybe they're not, but I am. You're not doing your students any favors if you're advising them that the US News rankings matter.
You can ignore the gold standard all you want and keep saying USNWR doesn’t matter but it is the reason schools are behaving the way they are about admissions …. Everything is tied to the reporting of stats to USNWR. I’m not saying that’s correct but it is what it is. Hence the fuss over number of acceptances and focus on yield, stats, gpa and test scores. This problem is what us driving admissions offices and marketing for our nation’s institutions of higher learning. To ignore that is foolish. All of the other ranks started because everyone realized there is money in rankings (wash Monthly sells ads to institutions hoping for a good rating; also pants and students subscribe to see the list).
This isn't quite right. Yield doesn't impact USNWR rankings--colleges care about that because they care about managing enrollment. A lot of the admissions factors have nothing to do with rankings--they have everything to do with enrollment. Admissions is a relatively small aspect of USNWR rankings but a critical part of colleges being able to pay their expenses.
Some colleges care a lot about USNWR and adjust their behaviors to its measures. Most colleges care somewhat. But I work in higher ed, the impact of the rankings is waning rather than growing.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one cares about these rankings. It's the US News ranking that matters.
You were ahead with the first sentence. Then the second sentence showed up. Sad.
You clearly aren't a college counselor
Maybe they're not, but I am. You're not doing your students any favors if you're advising them that the US News rankings matter.
You can ignore the gold standard all you want and keep saying USNWR doesn’t matter but it is the reason schools are behaving the way they are about admissions …. Everything is tied to the reporting of stats to USNWR. I’m not saying that’s correct but it is what it is. Hence the fuss over number of acceptances and focus on yield, stats, gpa and test scores. This problem is what us driving admissions offices and marketing for our nation’s institutions of higher learning. To ignore that is foolish. All of the other ranks started because everyone realized there is money in rankings (wash Monthly sells ads to institutions hoping for a good rating; also pants and students subscribe to see the list).
This isn't quite right. Yield doesn't impact USNWR rankings--colleges care about that because they care about managing enrollment. A lot of the admissions factors have nothing to do with rankings--they have everything to do with enrollment. Admissions is a relatively small aspect of USNWR rankings but a critical part of colleges being able to pay their expenses.
Some colleges care a lot about USNWR and adjust their behaviors to its measures. Most colleges care somewhat. But I work in higher ed, the impact of the rankings is waning rather than growing.
Anonymous wrote:I wish the OP who keeps posting these would stop. Or just stick with USNWR. Wash. Monthly has no staff to really research this and write it up. Same with CollegeNiche, whom someone posted last week. It is all USNWR.
Pretty funny that in a year when USNWR actually had to de-list the university it had ranked number 2 in the entire country because of submission of suspect (and unverified) data that USNWR relied on - leaving just as much egg on USNWR's face as on Columbia's -- some DCUMer is arguing that USNWR rankings serve as some sort of gold standard and that no other publication devotes the resources to the task that USNWR does.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one cares about these rankings. It's the US News ranking that matters.
You were ahead with the first sentence. Then the second sentence showed up. Sad.
You clearly aren't a college counselor
Maybe they're not, but I am. You're not doing your students any favors if you're advising them that the US News rankings matter.
You can ignore the gold standard all you want and keep saying USNWR doesn’t matter but it is the reason schools are behaving the way they are about admissions …. Everything is tied to the reporting of stats to USNWR. I’m not saying that’s correct but it is what it is. Hence the fuss over number of acceptances and focus on yield, stats, gpa and test scores. This problem is what us driving admissions offices and marketing for our nation’s institutions of higher learning. To ignore that is foolish. All of the other ranks started because everyone realized there is money in rankings (wash Monthly sells ads to institutions hoping for a good rating; also pants and students subscribe to see the list).
I wish the OP who keeps posting these would stop. Or just stick with USNWR. Wash. Monthly has no staff to really research this and write it up. Same with CollegeNiche, whom someone posted last week. It is all USNWR.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one cares about these rankings. It's the US News ranking that matters.
You were ahead with the first sentence. Then the second sentence showed up. Sad.
You clearly aren't a college counselor
Maybe they're not, but I am. You're not doing your students any favors if you're advising them that the US News rankings matter.
You can ignore the gold standard all you want and keep saying USNWR doesn’t matter but it is the reason schools are behaving the way they are about admissions …. Everything is tied to the reporting of stats to USNWR. I’m not saying that’s correct but it is what it is. Hence the fuss over number of acceptances and focus on yield, stats, gpa and test scores. This problem is what us driving admissions offices and marketing for our nation’s institutions of higher learning. To ignore that is foolish. All of the other ranks started because everyone realized there is money in rankings (wash Monthly sells ads to institutions hoping for a good rating; also pants and students subscribe to see the list).
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one cares about these rankings. It's the US News ranking that matters.
You were ahead with the first sentence. Then the second sentence showed up. Sad.
You clearly aren't a college counselor
Maybe they're not, but I am. You're not doing your students any favors if you're advising them that the US News rankings matter.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one cares about these rankings. It's the US News ranking that matters.
None of them matter.
+1 I'm also glad to see more people are realizing this. USNWR is moving off its throne as more of these rankings multiply and people start to see the arbitrariness of it all by where different schools land when you shake out the data in different ways. Fortunately that just dismantles the idea of any ranking system being that meaningful rather than giving the throne to a new competitor. USNWR will likely continue to lead the rankings, but just fewer people will care about the enterprise at all. It already seems a little pathetic when a school obviously is "working" the rankings rather than just following its mission.
The shifts in colleges admissions policies with some going to test optional, some not reporting GPA on CDS due to variations in grading, some not reporting data to ranking systems at all, etc. are going to turn the tide away from this several decade way of focusing on ranking colleges because people will start to see they produce more "weird" results that don't align with reality (e.g., x school that gamed the ranking system didn't suddenly become so much better than y school that didn't). I think people will instead go back to something like the Princeton Review where they gather up a large group of colleges generally considered good and reputable and don't rank them. But I think the difference will be they add more targeted data and maybe even rankings within categories so you can look up what matters to you (e.g., career outcomes for psychology majors, alumni satisfaction with school, Med school admissions rates)plus more qualitative aspects about the schools to guide your decision-making.
It may take awhile, but I've already seen it happening.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one cares about these rankings. It's the US News ranking that matters.
None of them matter.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one cares about these rankings. It's the US News ranking that matters.
You were ahead with the first sentence. Then the second sentence showed up. Sad.
You clearly aren't a college counselor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Washington Monthly has GW at 44! Highest I have ever seen. Let's see if US News puts it back in the top 50.
Well at least my kids will redeem me--two at two different Ivies though not HYP alas.
Redeem you for what?
For failing to get into an Ivy.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Washington Monthly has GW at 44! Highest I have ever seen. Let's see if US News puts it back in the top 50.
Well at least my kids will redeem me--two at two different Ivies though not HYP alas.
Redeem you for what?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one cares about these rankings. It's the US News ranking that matters.
You were ahead with the first sentence. Then the second sentence showed up. Sad.