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Anonymous wrote:It’s a job. People switch jobs all the time. If you spend any time on the Jobs and Careers board there are often posts about job hopping.

But to go from a school like Beech Tree with a really high minority and low income population to wealthy, white FCCPS is kind of a slap in the face to the Beech Tree community.

FCC schools are 63% white and Beech Tree Elementary is 53% white.

Oak Street ES: 6% students from low income families
Beech Tree ES: 60% students from low income families

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Anonymous wrote:So what, a school employee is only allowed to switch jobs from June 15-July 1, and the other 50 weeks of the year they just have to suck it up if a better opportunity comes along?

I’m sorry, that’s crap.

We’ll, at least let’s be equitable about it. If a teacher were to resign after the deadline (June 1-30, depending on the county), we’d have to resign with prejudice and other counties wouldn’t hire us.

Agreed, teachers should be able to leave up until their contract starts with no penalty.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. That would result in utter chaos. Ask any principal how they could function and be prepared for school to open if there is a high probability of teachers leaving just over a week before student show up. There’s no way any school could be ready to go if there is an option for teachers to leave without any prejudice up until August 11. Look at the situation that is currently happening—several hundred classrooms are not staffed right now, and principals are scrambling. If you were to add to that by allowing teachers to transfer to another district or quit without any penalty, there would be no stability. Principals would be leaving in droves.

I’m wondering if PP is one of these frequent trolls here that is set on dismantling public education by pushing for more and more chaos.

Beech Tree will be fine. Assistant principals have been back at work for a month now. Schedules are done and plans are made. A principal who’s been there for 9 years has left solid structures and routines in place.

No, I am a teacher who loves and values public education but realizes that in many (most?) states teachers have the freedom to move around (even mid year!) without being blacklisted. I have siblings who are teachers in 2 other states and a mother who taught in a third, and all are horrified by how little control or rights I have if things change after June 15th.

You are confused by what is allowable and not allowable after the June 15 resignation deadline. Teachers resign all the time without prejudice in FCPS after the deadline. If their spouse’s job relocates or they receive military orders, the teacher can resign without prejudice after the June 15 date. Documentation is required by Human Resources. If something happens where a family member gets sick, then the teacher could take a leave of absence. Again, documentation is required. But what can’t happen is that you decide on July 20 that you’d like to take a teaching position in Prince William County or that you’d suddenly like to hike the Appalachian Trail for a year or that you’d like to work in a coffee shop. In the first case, there is an agreement with the northern Virginia schools that they will not and cannot take a teacher from another district unless that teacher resigned by the June 15 deadline. In the second and third cases, you are resigning after the June deadline without extenuating circumstances and doing so would be with prejudice.

As for your family members, I will bet my paycheck that they cannot simply decide to teach in another district or just quit for whatever reason up until the first day teacher return at the end of the summer. A quick search of the internet shows that in each state there is either a June date to resign or a minimum of 3-4 months notice required before voluntarily resigning.

There’s no stability in the Justice pyramid. First the boundary change in elementary school and constant administration turnover. The formerAP at Beech Tree was moved to Braddock.

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Anonymous wrote:So what, a school employee is only allowed to switch jobs from June 15-July 1, and the other 50 weeks of the year they just have to suck it up if a better opportunity comes along?

I’m sorry, that’s crap.

We’ll, at least let’s be equitable about it. If a teacher were to resign after the deadline (June 1-30, depending on the county), we’d have to resign with prejudice and other counties wouldn’t hire us.

Agreed, teachers should be able to leave up until their contract starts with no penalty.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. That would result in utter chaos. Ask any principal how they could function and be prepared for school to open if there is a high probability of teachers leaving just over a week before student show up. There’s no way any school could be ready to go if there is an option for teachers to leave without any prejudice up until August 11. Look at the situation that is currently happening—several hundred classrooms are not staffed right now, and principals are scrambling. If you were to add to that by allowing teachers to transfer to another district or quit without any penalty, there would be no stability. Principals would be leaving in droves.

I’m wondering if PP is one of these frequent trolls here that is set on dismantling public education by pushing for more and more chaos.

Beech Tree will be fine. Assistant principals have been back at work for a month now. Schedules are done and plans are made. A principal who’s been there for 9 years has left solid structures and routines in place.

No, I am a teacher who loves and values public education but realizes that in many (most?) states teachers have the freedom to move around (even mid year!) without being blacklisted. I have siblings who are teachers in 2 other states and a mother who taught in a third, and all are horrified by how little control or rights I have if things change after June 15th.

That June 15th resignation date is set by Virginia Dept of Ed, not FCPS. The same rule applies in Arlington, Loudoun, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what, a school employee is only allowed to switch jobs from June 15-July 1, and the other 50 weeks of the year they just have to suck it up if a better opportunity comes along?

I’m sorry, that’s crap.

We’ll, at least let’s be equitable about it. If a teacher were to resign after the deadline (June 1-30, depending on the county), we’d have to resign with prejudice and other counties wouldn’t hire us.

Agreed, teachers should be able to leave up until their contract starts with no penalty.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. That would result in utter chaos. Ask any principal how they could function and be prepared for school to open if there is a high probability of teachers leaving just over a week before student show up. There’s no way any school could be ready to go if there is an option for teachers to leave without any prejudice up until August 11. Look at the situation that is currently happening—several hundred classrooms are not staffed right now, and principals are scrambling. If you were to add to that by allowing teachers to transfer to another district or quit without any penalty, there would be no stability. Principals would be leaving in droves.

I’m wondering if PP is one of these frequent trolls here that is set on dismantling public education by pushing for more and more chaos.

Beech Tree will be fine. Assistant principals have been back at work for a month now. Schedules are done and plans are made. A principal who’s been there for 9 years has left solid structures and routines in place.

No, I am a teacher who loves and values public education but realizes that in many (most?) states teachers have the freedom to move around (even mid year!) without being blacklisted. I have siblings who are teachers in 2 other states and a mother who taught in a third, and all are horrified by how little control or rights I have if things change after June 15th.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what, a school employee is only allowed to switch jobs from June 15-July 1, and the other 50 weeks of the year they just have to suck it up if a better opportunity comes along?

I’m sorry, that’s crap.

We’ll, at least let’s be equitable about it. If a teacher were to resign after the deadline (June 1-30, depending on the county), we’d have to resign with prejudice and other counties wouldn’t hire us.

Agreed, teachers should be able to leave up until their contract starts with no penalty.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. That would result in utter chaos. Ask any principal how they could function and be prepared for school to open if there is a high probability of teachers leaving just over a week before student show up. There’s no way any school could be ready to go if there is an option for teachers to leave without any prejudice up until August 11. Look at the situation that is currently happening—several hundred classrooms are not staffed right now, and principals are scrambling. If you were to add to that by allowing teachers to transfer to another district or quit without any penalty, there would be no stability. Principals would be leaving in droves.

I’m wondering if PP is one of these frequent trolls here that is set on dismantling public education by pushing for more and more chaos.

Beech Tree will be fine. Assistant principals have been back at work for a month now. Schedules are done and plans are made. A principal who’s been there for 9 years has left solid structures and routines in place.

Same thing happened the Spring Hill last year. The principal has been there less than two years before transferring to another.

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Anonymous wrote:So what, a school employee is only allowed to switch jobs from June 15-July 1, and the other 50 weeks of the year they just have to suck it up if a better opportunity comes along?

I’m sorry, that’s crap.

We’ll, at least let’s be equitable about it. If a teacher were to resign after the deadline (June 1-30, depending on the county), we’d have to resign with prejudice and other counties wouldn’t hire us.

Agreed, teachers should be able to leave up until their contract starts with no penalty.

If she's a good principal, and it sounds like she is, I'd say she'll stay in FCCPS for a long time because it's a better system to work for than FCPS.

Anonymous wrote:So what, a school employee is only allowed to switch jobs from June 15-July 1, and the other 50 weeks of the year they just have to suck it up if a better opportunity comes along?

I’m sorry, that’s crap.

We’ll, at least let’s be equitable about it. If a teacher were to resign after the deadline (June 1-30, depending on the county), we’d have to resign with prejudice and other counties wouldn’t hire us.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a job. People switch jobs all the time. If you spend any time on the Jobs and Careers board there are often posts about job hopping.

But to go from a school like Beech Tree with a really high minority and low income population to wealthy, white FCCPS is kind of a slap in the face to the Beech Tree community.

FCC schools are 63% white and Beech Tree Elementary is 53% white.

No. Beech Tree is 80% minority.

You are correct and I was wrong, I misread the chart on the VDE website, thanks for the correction.

So what, a school employee is only allowed to switch jobs from June 15-July 1, and the other 50 weeks of the year they just have to suck it up if a better opportunity comes along?

I’m sorry, that’s crap.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a job. People switch jobs all the time. If you spend any time on the Jobs and Careers board there are often posts about job hopping.

Apparently people in education are not allowed to change jobs, have personal lives, take sick days....we treat teachers and admin like they owe everyone everything. News flash they don't! Their job is just like yours...a job.

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I don’t see it as “bailing”. The person left one job for another. Maybe it’s closer to home, or better fits the family’s schedule. Perhaps the benefits are better. Regardless of the reason, there’s really nothing to see here.

Nice try - the schools are a mile or two apart.

I admit I didn’t take the time to Mapquest these particular schools.

They are 2.5 miles apart- but whatever- a principal who has been employed for 9 years is allowed to take a new position. Perhaps FCCPS offered her more money. Perhaps better benefits. Perhaps more autonomy. Many things are possible....

It's not that she's leaving, it's that she's leaving two weeks before school starts.

Exactly. And pretended this week she was all-in for the upcoming FCPS school year. I mean, at least keep a low profile if you’re about to leave a school with no principal.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a job. People switch jobs all the time. If you spend any time on the Jobs and Careers board there are often posts about job hopping.

But to go from a school like Beech Tree with a really high minority and low income population to wealthy, white FCCPS is kind of a slap in the face to the Beech Tree community.

FCC schools are 63% white and Beech Tree Elementary is 53% white.

No. Beech Tree is 80% minority.

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Anonymous wrote:That timing is so rude.

Totally unprofessional. Why would any other system want someone who did a thing like that?

The public school hiring process takes weeks or even months. Fairfax County has probably known for some time she was interviewing and FCCPS has a process to follow before they can hire and announce. No one is ever happy when they lose a good administrator, nor is it generally easy for administrators or any dedicated educator to leave a job where relationships have been built. But, just like any other profession, teachers and administrators make career moves for a variety of reasons both personal and professional.