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Anonymous wrote:I’m sensing a complete lack of humor among you lot. You do realize much of what he was saying was tongue-in-cheek, right? No, clearly you don’t. He had a lot of sensible things to say among the kidding around. Sad that this has to be explained to you, but your outrage is very so typical (and comical).

Omg. He’s sooooooo funny. He should go on tour with all his funny jokes!

So Charlie Kirk. You think he is “kidding,” too? It’s a topic they’ve decided to put forward to create a dumb electorate or people who can clean their toilets.

This thread is about Tucker Carlson, not Charlie Kirk - I had to google him as I’ve never heard of him. Stay on topic.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m old enough to remember that Tucker Carlson had to ask a certain second son of the current President to get his kid into Georgetown.

And it's ironic his kid didn't get in. He went to UVA. My son's good friend lived in his dorm. The joke was that he would brag who his dad is in the first five minutes of making an acquaintance. A bunch of 18-year-old liberal kids were not impressed.

I just love 3rd-hand anecdotes. They’re so obviously made up.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sensing a complete lack of humor among you lot. You do realize much of what he was saying was tongue-in-cheek, right? No, clearly you don’t. He had a lot of sensible things to say among the kidding around. Sad that this has to be explained to you, but your outrage is very so typical (and comical).

Nothing funny about encouraging a bunch of dumb rubes to blow up their children’s lives. Unlike Tucker’s kids, there is no Plan B Daddy backup plan for an ill-advised gap year or an unplanned pregnancy. Just debt that can’t be paid on wages they are likely to earn.

Poor and LMC folks don’t get to afford “adventures” - that’s a privileged white brat phenomenon. And given the quality of the males watching Fox News, they don’t have the life skills or intelligence to independently assess what he’s saying. They’ll just do it to “own the libs” and find themselves completely p*ned in the process, which is the whole point.

You're obviously not someone who grew up poor. I did, and I didnt attend college immediately after high school. I did seek adventure, actually, and although I eventually completed a masters plus some postgraduate work, the adventure was more educational and gave me a better sense of self awareness and confidence. In fact, I'd argue that being poor actually expands the world of adventure, because there are more socially acceptable options. A UMC kid can't fish in Alaska, join a carnival, join the military, etc. UMC and middle class kids feel the weight of expectation in a way that poor and working class never will, and that is freeing. See, your idea of adventure even lacks imagination-- an unplanned pregnancy as a post high school adventure? Lol.

There is absolutely nothing freeing about being poor or LMC. The expectation is that you will help your family as soon as you are able, either by putting food on the table for them or paying for your own food. It starts in high school for some kids. To do otherwise is seen as selfish.

And please tell me how a poor kid is getting money to get to Alaska, let alone get established there. The transport and the gear alone will run you thousands. Are you supposed to live in a tent while you secure a boat? The military - great and respectable career, but as a Millennial whose seen enough of her veteran peers come back in flag covered caskets or later take their own lives due to mental and physical injuries they couldn’t overcome and from which the military couldn’t run fast enough, I’d never call that an “adventure”.

I grew up LMC and the people who I know who make the most money went to college for free courtesy of the military and have high paying security clearance jobs because of their military service. It is not without its risks but it is a way for poor and LMC kids to go to college debt free and gain skills and habits that will pay off in the long run.

“It’s not without its risks”. No, it certainly isn’t. If you’re willing to risk your life, you can get a decent job without debt slavery. If you’re willing to risk your life. What a country that this is the best we offer our poor and LMC kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sensing a complete lack of humor among you lot. You do realize much of what he was saying was tongue-in-cheek, right? No, clearly you don’t. He had a lot of sensible things to say among the kidding around. Sad that this has to be explained to you, but your outrage is very so typical (and comical).

Nothing funny about encouraging a bunch of dumb rubes to blow up their children’s lives. Unlike Tucker’s kids, there is no Plan B Daddy backup plan for an ill-advised gap year or an unplanned pregnancy. Just debt that can’t be paid on wages they are likely to earn.

Poor and LMC folks don’t get to afford “adventures” - that’s a privileged white brat phenomenon. And given the quality of the males watching Fox News, they don’t have the life skills or intelligence to independently assess what he’s saying. They’ll just do it to “own the libs” and find themselves completely p*ned in the process, which is the whole point.

You're obviously not someone who grew up poor. I did, and I didnt attend college immediately after high school. I did seek adventure, actually, and although I eventually completed a masters plus some postgraduate work, the adventure was more educational and gave me a better sense of self awareness and confidence. In fact, I'd argue that being poor actually expands the world of adventure, because there are more socially acceptable options. A UMC kid can't fish in Alaska, join a carnival, join the military, etc. UMC and middle class kids feel the weight of expectation in a way that poor and working class never will, and that is freeing. See, your idea of adventure even lacks imagination-- an unplanned pregnancy as a post high school adventure? Lol.

There is absolutely nothing freeing about being poor or LMC. The expectation is that you will help your family as soon as you are able, either by putting food on the table for them or paying for your own food. It starts in high school for some kids. To do otherwise is seen as selfish.

And please tell me how a poor kid is getting money to get to Alaska, let alone get established there. The transport and the gear alone will run you thousands. Are you supposed to live in a tent while you secure a boat? The military - great and respectable career, but as a Millennial whose seen enough of her veteran peers come back in flag covered caskets or later take their own lives due to mental and physical injuries they couldn’t overcome and from which the military couldn’t run fast enough, I’d never call that an “adventure”.

I grew up LMC and the people who I know who make the most money went to college for free courtesy of the military and have high paying security clearance jobs because of their military service. It is not without its risks but it is a way for poor and LMC kids to go to college debt free and gain skills and habits that will pay off in the long run.

Anonymous wrote:He's actually right. Did you listen to what he said?

He said, unless you are seeking an occupation in something that requires college, don't go....And, with the debt that is such a burden for so many young people today, it is wise advice.
Far too many kids go to college with no clue about what they want to do. Better to figure that out before you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to figure it out.
He was essentially saying, "Don't be afraid to take risks." Nothing wrong with that.

A lot of blue collar Dems and even Joe Biden say the same thing, and emphasize that going to community college and trade school is a better option for a lot of kids, but I guess when Tucker says it it prompts a freak out session?

I hate the political discourse these days, where the messenger always is privileged more than the message. In the same interview Tucker also said he “sounded like Noam Chomsky” and castigated the Democrats for being more beholden to corporate interests than they have in the past, when they were a working class / labor balance to Republican corporatism. Is he a “right winger” for saying that or can an actual left winger on economics like myself be thankful he’s getting out a message to ostensibly Republican voters that corporate power needs to be more restrained?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sensing a complete lack of humor among you lot. You do realize much of what he was saying was tongue-in-cheek, right? No, clearly you don’t. He had a lot of sensible things to say among the kidding around. Sad that this has to be explained to you, but your outrage is very so typical (and comical).

Nothing funny about encouraging a bunch of dumb rubes to blow up their children’s lives. Unlike Tucker’s kids, there is no Plan B Daddy backup plan for an ill-advised gap year or an unplanned pregnancy. Just debt that can’t be paid on wages they are likely to earn.

Poor and LMC folks don’t get to afford “adventures” - that’s a privileged white brat phenomenon. And given the quality of the males watching Fox News, they don’t have the life skills or intelligence to independently assess what he’s saying. They’ll just do it to “own the libs” and find themselves completely p*ned in the process, which is the whole point.

You're obviously not someone who grew up poor. I did, and I didnt attend college immediately after high school. I did seek adventure, actually, and although I eventually completed a masters plus some postgraduate work, the adventure was more educational and gave me a better sense of self awareness and confidence. In fact, I'd argue that being poor actually expands the world of adventure, because there are more socially acceptable options. A UMC kid can't fish in Alaska, join a carnival, join the military, etc. UMC and middle class kids feel the weight of expectation in a way that poor and working class never will, and that is freeing. See, your idea of adventure even lacks imagination-- an unplanned pregnancy as a post high school adventure? Lol.

There is absolutely nothing freeing about being poor or LMC. The expectation is that you will help your family as soon as you are able, either by putting food on the table for them or paying for your own food. It starts in high school for some kids. To do otherwise is seen as selfish.

And please tell me how a poor kid is getting money to get to Alaska, let alone get established there. The transport and the gear alone will run you thousands. Are you supposed to live in a tent while you secure a boat? The military - great and respectable career, but as a Millennial whose seen enough of her veteran peers come back in flag covered caskets or later take their own lives due to mental and physical injuries they couldn’t overcome and from which the military couldn’t run fast enough, I’d never call that an “adventure”.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sensing a complete lack of humor among you lot. You do realize much of what he was saying was tongue-in-cheek, right? No, clearly you don’t. He had a lot of sensible things to say among the kidding around. Sad that this has to be explained to you, but your outrage is very so typical (and comical).

Nothing funny about encouraging a bunch of dumb rubes to blow up their children’s lives. Unlike Tucker’s kids, there is no Plan B Daddy backup plan for an ill-advised gap year or an unplanned pregnancy. Just debt that can’t be paid on wages they are likely to earn.

Poor and LMC folks don’t get to afford “adventures” - that’s a privileged white brat phenomenon. And given the quality of the males watching Fox News, they don’t have the life skills or intelligence to independently assess what he’s saying. They’ll just do it to “own the libs” and find themselves completely p*ned in the process, which is the whole point.

Watch the interview instead of deriving your already biased opinion from someone’s already biased tweet. He said he encouraged all of his children not to go to college but they didn’t listen to him and he said his father told him that college was a “holding pen for the middle class” and his Dad looked down at college as an superfluous bourgeoisie right of passage, basically, and that his Dad put more emphasis on being well read than being credentialed. Like PP said his statements were a lot more nuanced and some were tongue in cheek than what you are implying but of course what is a day on the internet without having the opportunity to rage about a tweet about something you haven’t even seen yourself.

As for his points about college, how are they totally off base when college debt is skyrocketing and there are so many young adults saddled with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debts that they can’t pay off with specialized liberal arts degrees that will never get them high paying jobs? Advising a young person to instead focus on a high paying trade job and investing their savings in an index fund from a young age, instead of racking up debts they can’t pay off until they’re 40, is not the worse advise. If you’re getting a STEM degree from a in-state school that’s an exception, but the average young person would be better off financially in the long run learning a highly sought after trade and not incurring so much debt.

Anonymous wrote:Tucker couldn't be more of a rich out of touch empty nester cliche if he tried. All the striver upper middle class and rich kids are doing these odd jobs out west, backpacking somewhere obscure or various Third World "adventures" during college or for a year right after college... as a "personality" hook for law school, medical school, or to get a job in tech, politics, or on Wall Street. It's so cringe that Tucker thinks this is a novel idea. Trump Jr was a ski bum for a year or two after Wharton. Pretty sure Tucker's son was a fly fishing instructor for a year before getting a gig on the Hill. Wow, some slacker job where you can binge drink all night and avoid real life, so exciting and adventurous! Ironically, this is essentially what AOC was doing with her bartender gig in the NYC. It's teases out laziness and stupidity and is a source of ridicule when a college educated Latina does it, it's "adventurous" when some nitwit rich white boy does it?

AOC was bartending at night while community organizing during the day IIRC.

Tucker couldn't be more of a rich out of touch empty nester cliche if he tried. All the striver upper middle class and rich kids are doing these odd jobs out west, backpacking somewhere obscure or various Third World "adventures" during college or for a year right after college... as a "personality" hook for law school, medical school, or to get a job in tech, politics, or on Wall Street. It's so cringe that Tucker thinks this is a novel idea. Trump Jr was a ski bum for a year or two after Wharton. Pretty sure Tucker's son was a fly fishing instructor for a year before getting a gig on the Hill. Wow, some slacker job where you can binge drink all night and avoid real life, so exciting and adventurous! Ironically, this is essentially what AOC was doing with her bartender gig in the NYC. It's teases out laziness and stupidity and is a source of ridicule when a college educated Latina does it, it's "adventurous" when some nitwit rich white boy does it?

Anonymous wrote:He's actually right. Did you listen to what he said?

He said, unless you are seeking an occupation in something that requires college, don't go....And, with the debt that is such a burden for so many young people today, it is wise advice.
Far too many kids go to college with no clue about what they want to do. Better to figure that out before you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to figure it out.
He was essentially saying, "Don't be afraid to take risks." Nothing wrong with that.

Why didn't he make his own kids with their worthless UVA humanities degrees follow that path? Why is his top producer a guy with a BA from Georgetown and a JD from NYU?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sensing a complete lack of humor among you lot. You do realize much of what he was saying was tongue-in-cheek, right? No, clearly you don’t. He had a lot of sensible things to say among the kidding around. Sad that this has to be explained to you, but your outrage is very so typical (and comical).

Nothing funny about encouraging a bunch of dumb rubes to blow up their children’s lives. Unlike Tucker’s kids, there is no Plan B Daddy backup plan for an ill-advised gap year or an unplanned pregnancy. Just debt that can’t be paid on wages they are likely to earn.

Poor and LMC folks don’t get to afford “adventures” - that’s a privileged white brat phenomenon. And given the quality of the males watching Fox News, they don’t have the life skills or intelligence to independently assess what he’s saying. They’ll just do it to “own the libs” and find themselves completely p*ned in the process, which is the whole point.

You're obviously not someone who grew up poor. I did, and I didnt attend college immediately after high school. I did seek adventure, actually, and although I eventually completed a masters plus some postgraduate work, the adventure was more educational and gave me a better sense of self awareness and confidence. In fact, I'd argue that being poor actually expands the world of adventure, because there are more socially acceptable options. A UMC kid can't fish in Alaska, join a carnival, join the military, etc. UMC and middle class kids feel the weight of expectation in a way that poor and working class never will, and that is freeing. See, your idea of adventure even lacks imagination-- an unplanned pregnancy as a post high school adventure? Lol.

Not PP. You are full of it. Tell me how many of your supposed "poor" peers & cohorts went off and had these scraping bottom adventures and returned to continue on with an education that led to a financially stable MC/UMC future full of opportunity & choice.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sensing a complete lack of humor among you lot. You do realize much of what he was saying was tongue-in-cheek, right? No, clearly you don’t. He had a lot of sensible things to say among the kidding around. Sad that this has to be explained to you, but your outrage is very so typical (and comical).

Nothing funny about encouraging a bunch of dumb rubes to blow up their children’s lives. Unlike Tucker’s kids, there is no Plan B Daddy backup plan for an ill-advised gap year or an unplanned pregnancy. Just debt that can’t be paid on wages they are likely to earn.

Poor and LMC folks don’t get to afford “adventures” - that’s a privileged white brat phenomenon. And given the quality of the males watching Fox News, they don’t have the life skills or intelligence to independently assess what he’s saying. They’ll just do it to “own the libs” and find themselves completely p*ned in the process, which is the whole point.

You're obviously not someone who grew up poor. I did, and I didnt attend college immediately after high school. I did seek adventure, actually, and although I eventually completed a masters plus some postgraduate work, the adventure was more educational and gave me a better sense of self awareness and confidence. In fact, I'd argue that being poor actually expands the world of adventure, because there are more socially acceptable options. A UMC kid can't fish in Alaska, join a carnival, join the military, etc. UMC and middle class kids feel the weight of expectation in a way that poor and working class never will, and that is freeing. See, your idea of adventure even lacks imagination-- an unplanned pregnancy as a post high school adventure? Lol.

Anonymous wrote:He's actually right. Did you listen to what he said?

He said, unless you are seeking an occupation in something that requires college, don't go....And, with the debt that is such a burden for so many young people today, it is wise advice.
Far too many kids go to college with no clue about what they want to do. Better to figure that out before you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to figure it out.
He was essentially saying, "Don't be afraid to take risks." Nothing wrong with that.

Take risks, be a plumber...fine. live that life as am educated person instead of an uneducated person.

He's actually right. Did you listen to what he said?

He said, unless you are seeking an occupation in something that requires college, don't go....And, with the debt that is such a burden for so many young people today, it is wise advice.
Far too many kids go to college with no clue about what they want to do. Better to figure that out before you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to figure it out.
He was essentially saying, "Don't be afraid to take risks." Nothing wrong with that.

I grew up middle-class in flyover country. Didn’t see either ocean until I was in my 20s. We all understood that college was the only ticket to a better life.