Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 23:00     Subject: Re:Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:This seems like a stepping stone to eliminating educational requirements for teachers in the state altogether.


Yes indeed. Soon the only qualifications to teaching is that you were once a student yourself.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 22:57     Subject: Re:Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like a teacher training program that benefits veterans. Perhaps this helps address teacher shortages.

Look, I think teachers should have BAs if they are teaching a subject to a higher grade, but ES? I don't know that the BA is as necessary as other skills that military people tend to be indoctrinated with.


Guarantee all these undereducated teachers are placed in the low-income, poverty stricken areas.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 22:55     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Sounds like a great idea!
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 22:45     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Classroom monitors (no college required) are frequently used when FCPS cannot find enough subs.

Look at your own school before you criticize Florida.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 22:38     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
The most insane thing is that they wanted bachelors degrees for preschool and daycare teachers. There was a bill trying to mandate that. I thought that was really unfair because my daycare teacher has been working with babies for 30 years, loves them to death and loves playing with them. Teachers actually need degrees.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 22:33     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you realize what is going on locally? This sounds like a great program. That need to find anyone willing to come into a classroom.

Where I work in VA at a local public school, they were giving almost anyone with a college degree of any kind a provisional certification. No education classes or experience with kids. It was horrible last year for the students, the people attempting to teach and for the others in the school trying to support them. No, most don’t return for a second year.

And don’t ask what type of qualifications you need to be a substitute. You would be really shocked.

Emergency certificates have been used by other states.

I'm just a bit floored at the 2.5 GPA. Again, we have a really low bar for teachers in this country.

Don't really care all that much about the qualifications of short term subs, like a day or two.. but long term, yes, I would care.


I’m not talking about subs. I’m taking about people they are hiring as teachers, right here, in Nova. There isn’t a minimum GPA. They need people to fill jobs no one wants. Don’t start talking about Florida when it is just as bad here. Go ahead and call any local HR if you have any degree. They will tell you it’s possible to be in a classroom in a month even without a single class or work experience if you can pass a background check.

The minimum qualifications to be a sub in my district now is a high school diploma and “some” college.


You know the difference between a sub and a full-time teacher, right?
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 22:31     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:^I understand the military program is only 60 credits but at least they have some work experience. Try working with someone straight out of college with no experience with children or education training and had never held any type of job. Real situations going on in the DMV in good schools.


Which public schools are hiring people straight out of college who have never even had a stint of student teaching?
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 22:08     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do you realize what is going on locally? This sounds like a great program. That need to find anyone willing to come into a classroom.

Where I work in VA at a local public school, they were giving almost anyone with a college degree of any kind a provisional certification. No education classes or experience with kids. It was horrible last year for the students, the people attempting to teach and for the others in the school trying to support them. No, most don’t return for a second year.

And don’t ask what type of qualifications you need to be a substitute. You would be really shocked.

Emergency certificates have been used by other states.

I'm just a bit floored at the 2.5 GPA. Again, we have a really low bar for teachers in this country.

Don't really care all that much about the qualifications of short term subs, like a day or two.. but long term, yes, I would care.


I’m not talking about subs. I’m taking about people they are hiring as teachers, right here, in Nova. There isn’t a minimum GPA. They need people to fill jobs no one wants. Don’t start talking about Florida when it is just as bad here. Go ahead and call any local HR if you have any degree. They will tell you it’s possible to be in a classroom in a month even without a single class or work experience if you can pass a background check.

The minimum qualifications to be a sub in my district now is a high school diploma and “some” college.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 16:48     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:This is just one of a number of "pathway" programs out there for teachers. How else do you propose that states address the teacher shortage?



But how many of those pathways do not require a 4 year degree?
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 16:43     Subject: Re:Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
I’ve worked in an elementary classroom as a full-time volunteer for years in a school district that is ranked in the top 5 in the nation. I can assure you these teachers with degrees are not good by any stretch.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 16:31     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:Do you realize what is going on locally? This sounds like a great program. That need to find anyone willing to come into a classroom.

Where I work in VA at a local public school, they were giving almost anyone with a college degree of any kind a provisional certification. No education classes or experience with kids. It was horrible last year for the students, the people attempting to teach and for the others in the school trying to support them. No, most don’t return for a second year.

And don’t ask what type of qualifications you need to be a substitute. You would be really shocked.

Emergency certificates have been used by other states.

I'm just a bit floored at the 2.5 GPA. Again, we have a really low bar for teachers in this country.

Don't really care all that much about the qualifications of short term subs, like a day or two.. but long term, yes, I would care.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 16:07     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:So now you'll have a vet working full time as a teacher while also going to school part-time to get their Bachelor's?

I'd rather have a teacher who already has a degree that can devote 100% of their time to the classroom and their students, not dividing their time between their job and their classes.


Is this a joke? Every teacher here I know that is in the first ten years of working or isn’t married to someone with a very high paying job had a second job themselves. Some teachers I work are experienced, 15+ years and still have second jobs. I don’t because my husband is not a teacher.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 15:11     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Anonymous wrote:Look on the bright side: Florida kids will learn all there is to know about "professional" photography and essential oils!


They'll all be boss babes
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 15:08     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
Look on the bright side: Florida kids will learn all there is to know about "professional" photography and essential oils!
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2022 15:01     Subject: Florida now allows vets and their spouses to teach without degrees
So now you'll have a vet working full time as a teacher while also going to school part-time to get their Bachelor's?

I'd rather have a teacher who already has a degree that can devote 100% of their time to the classroom and their students, not dividing their time between their job and their classes.