Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 23:41     Subject: Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

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Anonymous wrote:It's really hard to understand how anyone could "like" Elrich, unless it's for the Nimby-ism. He's wildly incompetent, makes incoherent speeches, seems out of his depth on crime, isn't respected by the police, and isn't well-liked by anyone on County Council. I will be voting for Blair tomorrow, and encourage others to as well. The County desperately needs a change. Blair seems to be high-energy, competent, and has management experience, which is a large part of this job! For those who are voting Elrich to stop development, I would remind you that real estate prices continue to price young families and middle class folks out of our County, and this will mean long-term decline for our schools and businesses.


I like Elrich because of his Covid record. I don't actually know much else about him. It's just that with Covid still very much a factor, another Elrich term would reassure me in terms of health policies. Now if you can point me to what Blair would do, I'm all ears...



What COVID record? The fact that the county still does not have a health officer and the Howard County executive has to sign orders? Trying to interfere with MCPS's correct actions to keep schools open? Pushing a stupid vaccine passport and then retreating after business opposition? Having mask mandates and covid restrictions in a county where people largely are in favor of such things is not an accomplishment. Also the constant talking about covid week after week, reminding people to be cautious, the next variant could be coming, etc. as if it is the only issue facing the county is really indicative of some type of obsession and unfortunate. Literally no Democratic politician continue to cling to covid as if it is 2020 like he does.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 23:25     Subject: Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

I’m registered D for the first time in my life to vote for Blair that’s how much I want Elrich out.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 23:23     Subject: Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

Would Blair run as an independent??
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Post 07/18/2022 23:19     Subject: Re:Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

Anonymous wrote:Reskin endorsed Elrich. I trust his opinion


He endorsed him 3 days before teh election. Awfullly last minute considering he endorsed people for other offices (like Lierman for Comptroller) back last September.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 23:04     Subject: Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

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Anonymous wrote:You are all freaking out as if Elrich were like Trump.


He is. Just on the left. He is not about playing by the rules. He wants a revolution. Just like Trump and Trump supporters hated government, so too does Elrich. It's just his values on on the progressive left, so they seem appealing here in the county, and people either don't see, or even celebrate the chaos he causes.

Just like Trump, he has his own little bubble of extremist advisers, and he listens to no one else. Hell, half the time he doesn't listen to them because he knows better than everyone else. Expertise doesn't matter as long as his point of view is validated. Everything he touches gets messed up. He can't see the forest for the trees -- and the trees need to be left to departments and agencies. He gets obsessed with his own little pet projects, and fails to do his sole function: leadership that gives clarity of purpose and then motivates and supports employees to achieve those goals. Instead, he tells department directors he knows more than they do. He micromanages problems that pop up, when that role is more appropriate to a department director, and probably more appropriate to be assigned to someone in the department, to report back on options, outcomes, potential problems, costs, etc.

Progressives don't really mind because he keeps saying the right things. And just like Trump supporters loved chaos and destroying traditional governmental systems, so too do Elrich's progressive base. They see it as a war against plutocracy and systemic racism. Like their (and his) demonization of police, who are Elrich's government employees just like all the rest. Instead of supporting them through police reform, he castigated them.

And most importantly to me, since Elrich refuses to listen to true subject matter experts who could help him achieve these goals without blowing everything up. Because when you blow stuff up, marginalized communities get hurt the worst. The very people Elrich claims he wants to help.


Let me know if/when Elrich loses and he stages a coup attempt.


Trump's damage isn't limited to a coup attempt. He hurt plenty while in office. I can think of a few Supreme Court Justice appointments, to start.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 22:56     Subject: Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

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Anonymous wrote:You are all freaking out as if Elrich were like Trump.


He is. Just on the left. He is not about playing by the rules. He wants a revolution. Just like Trump and Trump supporters hated government, so too does Elrich. It's just his values on on the progressive left, so they seem appealing here in the county, and people either don't see, or even celebrate the chaos he causes.

Just like Trump, he has his own little bubble of extremist advisers, and he listens to no one else. Hell, half the time he doesn't listen to them because he knows better than everyone else. Expertise doesn't matter as long as his point of view is validated. Everything he touches gets messed up. He can't see the forest for the trees -- and the trees need to be left to departments and agencies. He gets obsessed with his own little pet projects, and fails to do his sole function: leadership that gives clarity of purpose and then motivates and supports employees to achieve those goals. Instead, he tells department directors he knows more than they do. He micromanages problems that pop up, when that role is more appropriate to a department director, and probably more appropriate to be assigned to someone in the department, to report back on options, outcomes, potential problems, costs, etc.

Progressives don't really mind because he keeps saying the right things. And just like Trump supporters loved chaos and destroying traditional governmental systems, so too do Elrich's progressive base. They see it as a war against plutocracy and systemic racism. Like their (and his) demonization of police, who are Elrich's government employees just like all the rest. Instead of supporting them through police reform, he castigated them.

And most importantly to me, since Elrich refuses to listen to true subject matter experts who could help him achieve these goals without blowing everything up. Because when you blow stuff up, marginalized communities get hurt the worst. The very people Elrich claims he wants to help.


Let me know if/when Elrich loses and he stages a coup attempt.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 22:52     Subject: Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

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Anonymous wrote:I will vote for Sully. And pray enough public safety supporting Councilmembers get elected that will hold Elrich at bay.

But if Elrich wins, expect a MASS exodus of department directors and other key staff.


We were discussing this over dinner tonight. There is the fear of an anti-public safety council and exec (again). Considering the current state of employee morale under the existing council/exec, voting in more of the same could be a real problem.


Morale would be worse under Riemer, who has been at war with county employees for years and pretends to be an expert in everything.


Right, so vote Blair. Re-energize a government who generally wants to work for you.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 22:47     Subject: Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

Anonymous wrote:You are all freaking out as if Elrich were like Trump.


He is. Just on the left. He is not about playing by the rules. He wants a revolution. Just like Trump and Trump supporters hated government, so too does Elrich. It's just his values on on the progressive left, so they seem appealing here in the county, and people either don't see, or even celebrate the chaos he causes.

Just like Trump, he has his own little bubble of extremist advisers, and he listens to no one else. Hell, half the time he doesn't listen to them because he knows better than everyone else. Expertise doesn't matter as long as his point of view is validated. Everything he touches gets messed up. He can't see the forest for the trees -- and the trees need to be left to departments and agencies. He gets obsessed with his own little pet projects, and fails to do his sole function: leadership that gives clarity of purpose and then motivates and supports employees to achieve those goals. Instead, he tells department directors he knows more than they do. He micromanages problems that pop up, when that role is more appropriate to a department director, and probably more appropriate to be assigned to someone in the department, to report back on options, outcomes, potential problems, costs, etc.

Progressives don't really mind because he keeps saying the right things. And just like Trump supporters loved chaos and destroying traditional governmental systems, so too do Elrich's progressive base. They see it as a war against plutocracy and systemic racism. Like their (and his) demonization of police, who are Elrich's government employees just like all the rest. Instead of supporting them through police reform, he castigated them.

And most importantly to me, since Elrich refuses to listen to true subject matter experts who could help him achieve these goals without blowing everything up. Because when you blow stuff up, marginalized communities get hurt the worst. The very people Elrich claims he wants to help.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 22:45     Subject: Re:Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

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Anonymous wrote:It was tried (Floreen) in the last election. Too many peopel blindly vote for the "(D)" person without even reading the name.

Even a super-moderate Republicn doesn't stand a chance.

The best long-term solution is open primaries. Youd' then end up with 2 D's in the general and at least one would be relatively normal.

Floreen was late to the ballot and didn’t have the funding and organization that Riemer does.


Floreen's PAC was funded better than Elrich's PAC as I recall. She was late to the race, but her numbers were pretty low regardless.

Riemer is a different candidate with a different brand. He inspires a lot of people and has developed a following. He has the opportunity to really do this. The question is whether he’s committed enough.


I already have very little respect for Riemer. I’d have even less if he did this. His negativity and misguided views certainly aren’t inspiring.

There are a lot of people in this county that like and support Riemer and I hope he’s drafted to run in the general. He will be a formidable candidate and will likely win.


When he signed up for the primary, he took a pledge not to run as an independent or third-party candidate in the general. I know his word isn’t worth much, but he would have even less appeal in the general than Floreen did.

The future of this county is more important than any party. Those sorts of pledges are meaningless anyway. I sincerely hope that he does it.


If you can’t honor a pledge, what else won’t you honor? If Riemer loses tomorrow, it’s time for him to fade away. What you consider “meaningless” would be a HUGE red flag about his character. I want a county exec I can trust, not one who picks and chooses when to honor his commitments.

Unfortunately, I can see him doing it.

I hope he does do it and all of his supporters should be encouraging him to do so.


I don't understand what anybody likes about Riemer. There's nothing to like.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 22:41     Subject: Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

I think Elrich did a much better job than expected.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 22:40     Subject: Re:Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

Anonymous wrote:Reskin endorsed Elrich. I trust his opinion


Raskin. My phone keeps on wanting to auto correct that
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 22:40     Subject: Re:Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

Reskin endorsed Elrich. I trust his opinion
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 22:38     Subject: Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

Plan B celebrate! Ehrlich is a good guy.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 21:48     Subject: Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

You are all freaking out as if Elrich were like Trump.
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2022 21:40     Subject: Plan B if Elrich wins tomorrow...

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I will vote for Sully. And pray enough public safety supporting Councilmembers get elected that will hold Elrich at bay.

But if Elrich wins, expect a MASS exodus of department directors and other key staff.


We were discussing this over dinner tonight. There is the fear of an anti-public safety council and exec (again). Considering the current state of employee morale under the existing council/exec, voting in more of the same could be a real problem.


Morale would be worse under Riemer, who has been at war with county employees for years and pretends to be an expert in everything.