Highly ranked schools with small/medium sized classes are going to have low acceptance rates. It’s not rocket science.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia will fall out of top ten when they return to rankings.

Has anyone actually done the math to assess whereabouts they'd land if their data hadn't been fabricated?

1/3 of their undergraduate is filled with GS College and the acceptance rate is 35%

Columbia should be like #50

Why do you assume acceptance rate is inversely proportional to quality?

I guess you are new to the college search.
There is no single absolute thing to measure quality.
However there are number of things you can consider.
Acceptance rate and student stats are some of the very very good references to look at.

Find any school outside of T50 with less than 20% acceptance rate.
Find any T10 school with over 10% acceptance rate.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the USNWR rankings would just go away. They've caused more harm than good over the years.

No it was very useful for me to screen out schools and come up with an initial list of colleges for my kids.

This is a terrible way to create a list of candidate schools.

Much better than going through 3000 schools on my own.
I don't have all the time like you.

No one said you had to go through 3,000. You could easily narrow it down to a manageable number based on a combination of factors like geography, preferred class size, campus size, urban/suburban/college town/rural, intended area of study, D1/2/3 sports, graduation rate, campus housing preference, etc. whatever is important your DC, without ever having to look at USNWR. (Unless the one thing that is important is subjective prestige). People did that for many decades before USNWR and now with this crazy thing called the internet you can actually find all this information pretty easily. Frankly I think people just pick based on prestige and sacrifice things that actually matter more to the student for the sake of bragging rights.

HOW? randomly going through some random schools?

Oh Yea Of Course We did, We looked at geography, preferred class size, campus size, urban/suburban/college town/rural, intended area of study, D1/2/3 sports, graduation rate, campus housing preference, etc. Especially major/program availability/strength and Fit. We did that with around T100 schools from a a few of the rankings including USN&WR, Niche, Forbes, Times, etc.

I'm willing to take a risk/sacrifice of missing out a good school outside of that LOL
My kid ended up picking a lower ranked school when got into a couple of higher ranked schools because of all those considerations.

There are stupid people picking a school only by ranking.
However totally ignoring ranking/prestige would be equally stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia will fall out of top ten when they return to rankings.

Has anyone actually done the math to assess whereabouts they'd land if their data hadn't been fabricated?

1/3 of their undergraduate is filled with GS College and the acceptance rate is 35%

Columbia should be like #50

Why do you assume acceptance rate is inversely proportional to quality?

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the USNWR rankings would just go away. They've caused more harm than good over the years.

No it was very useful for me to screen out schools and come up with an initial list of colleges for my kids.

This is a terrible way to create a list of candidate schools.

Much better than going through 3000 schools on my own.
I don't have all the time like you.

No one said you had to go through 3,000. You could easily narrow it down to a manageable number based on a combination of factors like geography, preferred class size, campus size, urban/suburban/college town/rural, intended area of study, D1/2/3 sports, graduation rate, campus housing preference, etc. whatever is important your DC, without ever having to look at USNWR. (Unless the one thing that is important is subjective prestige). People did that for many decades before USNWR and now with this crazy thing called the internet you can actually find all this information pretty easily. Frankly I think people just pick based on prestige and sacrifice things that actually matter more to the student for the sake of bragging rights.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the USNWR rankings would just go away. They've caused more harm than good over the years.

No it was very useful for me to screen out schools and come up with an initial list of colleges for my kids.

This is a terrible way to create a list of candidate schools.

Much better than going through 3000 schools on my own.
I don't have all the time like you.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the damages? There are no damages 2 vs 14. Any future income is too speculative. How had anyone been harmed?

Right? What is the dollar value of being able to boast you attended a school rated #2 by a magazine, based on criteria that say nothing about the quality of the education you, as in individual undergrad, actually received?

If Columbia had deliberately lied about its data and bragged about its ranking at USNWR to encourage students to apply, then there could be a liability issue.

You need damages for liability to matter. Unless the plaintiffs can point to actual damages, this is just a puissance suit looking for a settlement

There are no damages even if it should have been 50. What is the harm? You might say 2 makes more money over lifetime than 50 but there is little to support that and it is way too speculative. No one was harmed in a way that money can be given.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the USNWR rankings would just go away. They've caused more harm than good over the years.

No it was very useful for me to screen out schools and come up with an initial list of colleges for my kids.

This is a terrible way to create a list of candidate schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia will fall out of top ten when they return to rankings.

Has anyone actually done the math to assess whereabouts they'd land if their data hadn't been fabricated?

1/3 of their undergraduate is filled with GS College and the acceptance rate is 35%

Columbia should be like #50

It shows what a nut job PP is.

If PP were to say Harvard should be #50, we know right away PP has been smoking. When PP says Columbia is #50, we know his kid didn't make it.

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Anonymous wrote:Columbia will fall out of top ten when they return to rankings.

Has anyone actually done the math to assess whereabouts they'd land if their data hadn't been fabricated?

1/3 of their undergraduate is filled with GS College and the acceptance rate is 35%

Columbia should be like #50

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Anonymous wrote:What are the damages? There are no damages 2 vs 14. Any future income is too speculative. How had anyone been harmed?

Right? What is the dollar value of being able to boast you attended a school rated #2 by a magazine, based on criteria that say nothing about the quality of the education you, as in individual undergrad, actually received?

If Columbia had deliberately lied about its data and bragged about its ranking at USNWR to encourage students to apply, then there could be a liability issue.

You need damages for liability to matter. Unless the plaintiffs can point to actual damages, this is just a puissance suit looking for a settlement