Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 16:49     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
It’s sad to see so many people falling for the Northeastern Univ hype— their craven strategy to game the rankings was so clearly spelled out on the Selingo book. And now we see that kids are falling for the “bay area” campus?! There are much better schools to attend.

And NU is Northwestern even if Northeastern is trying to claim it with their brand strategy.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 15:59     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I'm one of the Northeastern critics - I think they have gamed the system in an outrageous way, and it's sad to see kids (and the parents who foot the bill) paying for the hype. That said, I also think one of the problems of our current higher educations system is the massive increase in demand for competitive programs hasn't been met with much increase in supply. Maybe this kind of innovation is part of the solution?


Not really. There is no reason to go to NEU. A state university in most states provide a better education. More economical also. The state schools at the NEU tier just don't spend on marketing or other gimmicks like NEU. There is no shortage of schools and seats at the NEU tier of schools. In fact there is a surplus. For instance the state flagship in Amherst is much better than NEU in terns of an education. I know from working at UMass admissions office a few years ago that students usually picked UMass over NEU. There is no reason except a certain gullibility to fall for the NEU gimmicks that has accelerated in the last three years or so.


Just stop. First of all, there is no “NEU.” It’s Northeastern, or sometimes (rarely) NU. You are exposing your ignorance, and you have no idea what you are talking about. My kid is there and has had an outstanding experience, equal to or superior to their three siblings who have attended great schools as well. The coop program is amazing - my kid has worked some amazing jobs in their field and already has a job offer for when they graduate next spring. Go crap somewhere else.


What are you rambling about? It’s always been Northeastern or NEU, never NU. Put down the brownies.


Find me a single reference to NEU and I’ll stop “rambling.” You’re wrong.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 15:49     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:We know someone who was admitted to Northeastern but is spending freshman year at their CA campus. Can anyone tell me more about this? Is it an option or is it mandatory for some students?


My DD will be attending the Boston campus I'm the Fall in the regular program. As PP explained, it's the NUBound program. You don't have a choice which program you get accepted to, Regular NU, NUin, or NUBound. In the end, you finish with the same degree. However, something that parents are finding out is that with NUin and NUBound it's a "pre-matriculation" program. Therefore federal aid can not be used during that year/semester. Also, student loans seem to be harder to get.

This lack of transparency should be criminal. Or at least, you know, make explicitly clear during application process and again in the acceptance letter.

Also, I’m sure DD will be offered housing a mile from campus at the HolidayInn or Westin.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 13:48     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:We know someone who was admitted to Northeastern but is spending freshman year at their CA campus. Can anyone tell me more about this? Is it an option or is it mandatory for some students?


My DD will be attending the Boston campus I'm the Fall in the regular program. As PP explained, it's the NUBound program. You don't have a choice which program you get accepted to, Regular NU, NUin, or NUBound. In the end, you finish with the same degree. However, something that parents are finding out is that with NUin and NUBound it's a "pre-matriculation" program. Therefore federal aid can not be used during that year/semester. Also, student loans seem to be harder to get.


But is there a reason some students are only accepted into these programs (NUin and NUBound)? Is it that they weren’t top picks and this is their condition if they want to attend Northeastern?


Other schools have similar programs.
Emory send their non top picks to Oxford.
NYU BU has first year overseas offer.

NUIn/NUBound kids have just slightly lower stats in general.

I'm PP about Georgia Tech. Applied OOS EA.
I was wondering why they offered 1st year transfer program while deferred some students to RD.





Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 13:46     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We know someone who was admitted to Northeastern but is spending freshman year at their CA campus. Can anyone tell me more about this? Is it an option or is it mandatory for some students?


My DD will be attending the Boston campus I'm the Fall in the regular program. As PP explained, it's the NUBound program. You don't have a choice which program you get accepted to, Regular NU, NUin, or NUBound. In the end, you finish with the same degree. However, something that parents are finding out is that with NUin and NUBound it's a "pre-matriculation" program. Therefore federal aid can not be used during that year/semester. Also, student loans seem to be harder to get.


But is there a reason some students are only accepted into these programs (NUin and NUBound)? Is it that they weren’t top picks and this is their condition if they want to attend Northeastern?


Many with NUIn/NUbound have the regular stats to get into NEU--that's to be expected when they get 90K applications for 3-4K slots. But with an admit rate well below 15% they can't accept everyone who is qualified. So they have smartly found a way to ensure they have enough spring admits and fall next year admits to backfill any spaces, all while collecting $$$$ from students until they are on the Boston campus. Brilliant marketing really. They are transfer programs that require you to "pay NEU for the time until you transfer to Boston".

As it turns out many who do select NUIn/NuBOund are full pay, as there is no FA beyond federal loans available until you are on the Boston campus. It would be hard for someone who needs FA to attend to pay $75K plus meals for London.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 13:41     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
Anonymous wrote:Y’all can crap on Northeastern if you want to but they have some incredibly well-run graduate programs that partner with local businesses and provide hands-on education while getting a Masters degree in some highly specialized fields.

Don’t know anything about their undergrad programs though so carry on your bash fest. I will add you’d have to be out of your mind to choose Oakland over Boston though.


You don't get to "choose Oakland over Boston". You get told you are Boston regular freshman admit, NUIn (go abroad for first semester) or NUBound (go abroad/oakland for full first year then become transfer student if you have the grades fall sophomore year). Nobody chooses it
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 13:37     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm one of the Northeastern critics - I think they have gamed the system in an outrageous way, and it's sad to see kids (and the parents who foot the bill) paying for the hype. That said, I also think one of the problems of our current higher educations system is the massive increase in demand for competitive programs hasn't been met with much increase in supply. Maybe this kind of innovation is part of the solution?


Not really. There is no reason to go to NEU. A state university in most states provide a better education. More economical also. The state schools at the NEU tier just don't spend on marketing or other gimmicks like NEU. There is no shortage of schools and seats at the NEU tier of schools. In fact there is a surplus. For instance the state flagship in Amherst is much better than NEU in terns of an education. I know from working at UMass admissions office a few years ago that students usually picked UMass over NEU. There is no reason except a certain gullibility to fall for the NEU gimmicks that has accelerated in the last three years or so.


DP. This is the conclusion I’m coming to as well. I can’t figure out why anyone would choose this gimmicky school over a great state university - of which we have many.


Again high stat kids chosen Northeastern find it's not gimmick, but actually find exactly the opposite - great education, student service, and education. Hence they choose to stay put, and the retention rate is on the top.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return



Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 13:32     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm one of the Northeastern critics - I think they have gamed the system in an outrageous way, and it's sad to see kids (and the parents who foot the bill) paying for the hype. That said, I also think one of the problems of our current higher educations system is the massive increase in demand for competitive programs hasn't been met with much increase in supply. Maybe this kind of innovation is part of the solution?


Not really. There is no reason to go to NEU. A state university in most states provide a better education. More economical also. The state schools at the NEU tier just don't spend on marketing or other gimmicks like NEU. There is no shortage of schools and seats at the NEU tier of schools. In fact there is a surplus. For instance the state flagship in Amherst is much better than NEU in terns of an education. I know from working at UMass admissions office a few years ago that students usually picked UMass over NEU. There is no reason except a certain gullibility to fall for the NEU gimmicks that has accelerated in the last three years or so.


DP. This is the conclusion I’m coming to as well. I can’t figure out why anyone would choose this gimmicky school over a great state university - of which we have many.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 13:30     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We know someone who was admitted to Northeastern but is spending freshman year at their CA campus. Can anyone tell me more about this? Is it an option or is it mandatory for some students?


My DD will be attending the Boston campus I'm the Fall in the regular program. As PP explained, it's the NUBound program. You don't have a choice which program you get accepted to, Regular NU, NUin, or NUBound. In the end, you finish with the same degree. However, something that parents are finding out is that with NUin and NUBound it's a "pre-matriculation" program. Therefore federal aid can not be used during that year/semester. Also, student loans seem to be harder to get.


But is there a reason some students are only accepted into these programs (NUin and NUBound)? Is it that they weren’t top picks and this is their condition if they want to attend Northeastern?
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 13:09     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm one of the Northeastern critics - I think they have gamed the system in an outrageous way, and it's sad to see kids (and the parents who foot the bill) paying for the hype. That said, I also think one of the problems of our current higher educations system is the massive increase in demand for competitive programs hasn't been met with much increase in supply. Maybe this kind of innovation is part of the solution?


Not really. There is no reason to go to NEU. A state university in most states provide a better education. More economical also. The state schools at the NEU tier just don't spend on marketing or other gimmicks like NEU. There is no shortage of schools and seats at the NEU tier of schools. In fact there is a surplus. For instance the state flagship in Amherst is much better than NEU in terns of an education. I know from working at UMass admissions office a few years ago that students usually picked UMass over NEU. There is no reason except a certain gullibility to fall for the NEU gimmicks that has accelerated in the last three years or so.


it's amazing to read parents comments on FB groups when their kid got into NUIn/NuBound (especially NUBound). Parent readily admits the program isn't the best for their kid, kid has too many AP credits and wont have courses to take that really fit their 8 semester program, yet the parent/kid are still trying to make it work as they just want NEU. It's the glossy marketing that has people swayed. FYI---other schools have coop programs, especially if you are in STEM, there is nothing unique about that for STEM majors.

We personally opted to attend elsewhere, at a much higher ranked school, rather than NUBound where my kid wouldn't have had the STEM courses they needed for freshman year (and my kid does not want to go abroad for freshman year---and couldn't go to Oakland for major and really would not go to Oakland for a year---I've seen that area and wouldn't send my kid there for any amount of $$). But some are desperate for NEU, so they will join thru the alternative programs.


NUIn is only one semester.
My kid got a transfer program offer(after 1 year) from Georgia Tech(didn't tell aid package).
Declined the option, chose direct admit to Northeastern with half tuition aid.
You only attend one school at time, you choose the best option for you.
Sure other schools have similar transfer programs and Coop/Intern program.
If you don't like the option, move on to the next best option.
Other people would probably know the best about their options.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 12:58     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
Anonymous wrote:I'm one of the Northeastern critics - I think they have gamed the system in an outrageous way, and it's sad to see kids (and the parents who foot the bill) paying for the hype. That said, I also think one of the problems of our current higher educations system is the massive increase in demand for competitive programs hasn't been met with much increase in supply. Maybe this kind of innovation is part of the solution?


Some keep saying gaming, but I don't see Northeastern in this cheater list for the past a few years, including Columbia Berkeley, UVA and a bunch of state schools.  The list gets bigger if you go further including schools like Emory.  
https://www.usnews.com/education/articles/us-news-rankings-updates

Northeaster is only #49 by USN&WR. There are many schools ranked higher and much easier to get in, but the high stat kids are choosing value and fit. There is a combination of many many reasons why.  If it was indeed a hype and kids got gimmicked, then they would realize it after attending the school, however the data is completely the opposite.  

Northeastern's retention rate is among the best.  
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

Students actually find great education, student service, and college experience, so they choose to stay. 
So you are completely wrong and delusional.

Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 12:51     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
Y’all can crap on Northeastern if you want to but they have some incredibly well-run graduate programs that partner with local businesses and provide hands-on education while getting a Masters degree in some highly specialized fields.

Don’t know anything about their undergrad programs though so carry on your bash fest. I will add you’d have to be out of your mind to choose Oakland over Boston though.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 12:43     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We know someone who was admitted to Northeastern but is spending freshman year at their CA campus. Can anyone tell me more about this? Is it an option or is it mandatory for some students?


My DD will be attending the Boston campus I'm the Fall in the regular program. As PP explained, it's the NUBound program. You don't have a choice which program you get accepted to, Regular NU, NUin, or NUBound. In the end, you finish with the same degree. However, something that parents are finding out is that with NUin and NUBound it's a "pre-matriculation" program. Therefore federal aid can not be used during that year/semester. Also, student loans seem to be harder to get.

This lack of transparency should be criminal. Or at least, you know, make explicitly clear during application process and again in the acceptance letter.

Application process doesn't matter. My DC said NO to study abroad first year (ie NUIn/NUBound), but got NUBOund anyways. I suspect it's cause we are full pay (didn't submit FAFSA) and they know only full pay can afford it.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 12:43     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm one of the Northeastern critics - I think they have gamed the system in an outrageous way, and it's sad to see kids (and the parents who foot the bill) paying for the hype. That said, I also think one of the problems of our current higher educations system is the massive increase in demand for competitive programs hasn't been met with much increase in supply. Maybe this kind of innovation is part of the solution?


Not really. There is no reason to go to NEU. A state university in most states provide a better education. More economical also. The state schools at the NEU tier just don't spend on marketing or other gimmicks like NEU. There is no shortage of schools and seats at the NEU tier of schools. In fact there is a surplus. For instance the state flagship in Amherst is much better than NEU in terns of an education. I know from working at UMass admissions office a few years ago that students usually picked UMass over NEU. There is no reason except a certain gullibility to fall for the NEU gimmicks that has accelerated in the last three years or so.


Just stop. First of all, there is no “NEU.” It’s Northeastern, or sometimes (rarely) NU. You are exposing your ignorance, and you have no idea what you are talking about. My kid is there and has had an outstanding experience, equal to or superior to their three siblings who have attended great schools as well. The coop program is amazing - my kid has worked some amazing jobs in their field and already has a job offer for when they graduate next spring. Go crap somewhere else.


What are you rambling about? It’s always been Northeastern or NEU, never NU. Put down the brownies.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2022 12:42     Subject: Northeastern - freshman year in CA?
Anonymous wrote:So instead of Boston they can go hang out with the street junkies in Oakland? Nice upgrade.


Wow. How about a wonderful California experience instead? I’m surprised your child ever leaves home to do and explore anything with that attitude. Ugh.