Anonymous
07/16/2022 07:03
Subject: Re:Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There’s a reason I chose VA as opposed to DC or MD when moving to this area from Arkansas. I felt as if I would feel least home sick and would be able to retain a bit of my culture from my hometown to my second home here. We need to look ahead, not backwards.
+1000
lol "culture"
You wouldn’t understand, bethesda boy.
I definitely don’t appreciate or understand your kind of “culture” *wink wink.*
The culture I refer to isnt any sort of neo confederate nonsense, more so the southern hospitality and family like aspect that is unique to the south.
Anonymous
07/16/2022 06:55
Subject: Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
Imagine if we erected statues of those who staged an insurrection at our Capitol on January 6. Wouldn’t we ask why are we glorifying traitors to the nation? Wouldn’t there be other, more appropriate ways to document this tragic part of our history without erecting monuments or naming streets and schools for them?
Anonymous
07/16/2022 06:35
Subject: Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
The South rebelled and attempted to break away from the United States. That's called treason. The leaders of the rebellion declared war on the United States over the issue of slavery. (You can claim it is a state's right's issue, but it was the state's right to keep slavery legal). Many, if not most, of the statues, buildings and street names erected to honor the traitors were put in place long after the Civil War. Many were erected during the Civil Rights era as a provocation aimed at people who wanted to supported voting rights, equal access to quality education and end to racial discrimination. So yes, the statues should come down. (Also, you may say its heritage, not hate. But it's a heritage of hate.)
Anonymous
07/16/2022 06:12
Subject: Re:Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
Anonymous wrote:Thankfully LoCo seems to be having a board election this year or in the coming years, likely allowing for Republicans to regain the majority in the county. Time to put a halt to all this nonsense.
HAHAHAHAHA
Anonymous
07/16/2022 06:11
Subject: Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is shameful we ever had statues to those treasonous traitors. The reckoning is long overdue.
They weren't treasonous traitors. Stick to facts.
I don't mind taking down the statues but there's a lot of recent revisionist history from both sides.
Read a history book.
Also most these Statues were put up in the 60s because people hated the civil rights rights movement.
Educate myself.
Dear, I know all of that. I won't ask you to read a history book because you won't.
Clearly you don’t know it, or didn’t understand what you read, or you wouldn’t have posted what you did.
Anonymous
07/16/2022 06:09
Subject: Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is shameful we ever had statues to those treasonous traitors. The reckoning is long overdue.
They weren't treasonous traitors. Stick to facts.
I don't mind taking down the statues but there's a lot of recent revisionist history from both sides.
Wrong.
Anonymous
07/16/2022 05:58
Subject: Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
Anonymous wrote:Southern secessionists were traitors, but I oppose renaming streets and removing memorials. It’s performative activism that gives the illusions of doing something on rave without actually doing anything meaningful. The money used for these efforts could be better spent on something that actually helps the black community.
Actually we should do both. They’re not mutually exclusive.
Anonymous
07/16/2022 05:56
Subject: Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
Anonymous wrote:Southern secessionists were traitors, but I oppose renaming streets and removing memorials. It’s performative activism that gives the illusions of doing something on rave without actually doing anything meaningful. The money used for these efforts could be better spent on something that actually helps the black community.
I disagree.
As a transplanted northerner I have always been appalled that these traitors were celebrated with statues and naming important institutions after them. It should have never happened, and it is never to late to right a wrong.
Anonymous
07/16/2022 05:23
Subject: Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
Southern secessionists were traitors, but I oppose renaming streets and removing memorials. It’s performative activism that gives the illusions of doing something on rave without actually doing anything meaningful. The money used for these efforts could be better spent on something that actually helps the black community.
Anonymous
07/16/2022 04:54
Subject: Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is shameful we ever had statues to those treasonous traitors. The reckoning is long overdue.
They weren't treasonous traitors. Stick to facts.
I don't mind taking down the statues but there's a lot of recent revisionist history from both sides.
Leaving the Union and forming a new nation, one supposedly rooted in states’ rights but really about defending slavery - what would you call that?
Anonymous
07/16/2022 00:14
Subject: Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because they lost and we won. America has learned a lesson in the last few years about letting racist, fascist losers regroup and we're done doing it.
If the Germans could come to terms with having been actual Nazis, we should be able to come to terms with fact country is blighted by history of slave-owning racists. Tear that stuff down - most of it went up in era 1910-1970 anyway for reasons that are obvious.
The obvious reason for the statutes put in in the early part of the 1900s was not in reaction to desegregation or the civil rights movement. You're conflating two different motivations.
DP: Although you might want to label it something other than the “Civil Rights Movement “, which is usually associated with a time period starting in the 1950’s, there were focused efforts aimed at increasing civil rights for Blacks following the Reconstruction era. One pivotal event was Woodrow Wilson’s election in 1913. Wilson mandated racial segregation throughout the federal government, eroding many of the economic and social gains that many Blacks made following the Reconstruction era. This was also one period when groups like the United Daughters of the Confederacy arranged to put up many statues. A similar peak in these types of activities occurred around the mid-1950’s following the Brown vs Board of Ed decision. So, yes, the increase in statues venerating the Confederacy was a direct response to periods of increased civil rights and other types of gains for Black Americans.
https://newsroom.haas.berkeley.edu/research/how-woodrow-wilsons-racist-segregation-order-eroded-the-black-civil-service/
Anonymous
07/16/2022 00:12
Subject: Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Virginia has a long history of being a southern state and has a deep history with southern culture and ties to the confederacy. Northern Virginia in particular, with the Arlington Cemetery’s connection with Robert E Lee, whom led the Army of Northern Virginia, and the wide spread usage of confederates like Stonewall Jackson High School in PWCS and Robert E Lee High School in FCPS seems to have continually played a part in modern Virginia history throughout the state. Not to mention highways and streets dedicated to Confederates and segregationists like Robert E Lee and Harry Byrd still remain.
This unique attatchment to our history seems to be most or entirely prevalent in Virginia as opposed to DC or Maryland, and has never been a problem for the past century to half a century, through progressive movements and such. However, ever since the slain of George Floyd and the riots in 2020, there seems to have been a new attempt to pit the blame on the “monuments” that apparently glorize these views, and to radically erase them from history and forget about them once and for all. I seem to check google maps and am seemingly forced to learn new road names Like Langston Blvd in Arlington on a weekly basis. From my perspective, being a native of Fauquier county in southern country Virginia and spending lots of time in rural Loudoun and Prince William county, it’s a great change to what I’m used to.
Why the call for action now? Are we really suppose the blame people whom lived in an era where slavery and segregation was an unarguable stance that was unanimous among all politicians? What good does it really do, as it seemingly hasn’t seen a decrease in any sort of statistic that they intended to target. Do you support such action against these historical landmarks? Would love to know what the general consensus is, especially from other Virginians.
Do you imagine the slaves thought slavery was fine? That if was just part of the culture and not something horrific? Did they not blame white southerners?
Of course they knew it was wrong. So did abolitionists at the time. The "era" is no defense because LOTS of people in that era knew slavery was wrong. The fact you think it was culturally okay at that time us exactly why we need to take down statues and rename public buildings that honor those people.
Plus, no kid should have to go to school in a building named after someone who thought she was property.
Hilarious that OP's main objection is to having to learn new names. Heaven forbid you have to extend yourself to learn something new! But, somehow, I suspect you weren't this mad when the Fairfax County Parkway got a new route number.
DP. See, this here's your problem. There are kids today, and there are people in the past. All of the people in this nation's history, they all made this country as it is today, for better or worse. But they are not here today. Whatever they thought or did, they thought or did it then. We cannot change it, and it cannot change us.
You are saying that the people of today are responsible for the past. But that's not true. People today can learn from the past, or can ignore it. But no one here today is responsible for whatever people did in the past, no one today bears the blame for what people did in the past.
The Confederates people these buildings are named after are also people from the past. I think it's weird to say those people made our nation but somehow don't affect us (huh?) but if your point is to leave the past in the past -- great: no problem getting rid of these names, then.
Your paragraph about blame is all you and our projection, I didn't say that and it isn't relevant to whether we name schools after reprehensible people.
Anonymous
07/16/2022 00:04
Subject: Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
Because they were traitors.
Anonymous
07/15/2022 23:54
Subject: Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Virginia has a long history of being a southern state and has a deep history with southern culture and ties to the confederacy. Northern Virginia in particular, with the Arlington Cemetery’s connection with Robert E Lee, whom led the Army of Northern Virginia, and the wide spread usage of confederates like Stonewall Jackson High School in PWCS and Robert E Lee High School in FCPS seems to have continually played a part in modern Virginia history throughout the state. Not to mention highways and streets dedicated to Confederates and segregationists like Robert E Lee and Harry Byrd still remain.
This unique attatchment to our history seems to be most or entirely prevalent in Virginia as opposed to DC or Maryland, and has never been a problem for the past century to half a century, through progressive movements and such. However, ever since the slain of George Floyd and the riots in 2020, there seems to have been a new attempt to pit the blame on the “monuments” that apparently glorize these views, and to radically erase them from history and forget about them once and for all. I seem to check google maps and am seemingly forced to learn new road names Like Langston Blvd in Arlington on a weekly basis. From my perspective, being a native of Fauquier county in southern country Virginia and spending lots of time in rural Loudoun and Prince William county, it’s a great change to what I’m used to.
Why the call for action now? Are we really suppose the blame people whom lived in an era where slavery and segregation was an unarguable stance that was unanimous among all politicians? What good does it really do, as it seemingly hasn’t seen a decrease in any sort of statistic that they intended to target. Do you support such action against these historical landmarks? Would love to know what the general consensus is, especially from other Virginians.
Do you imagine the slaves thought slavery was fine? That if was just part of the culture and not something horrific? Did they not blame white southerners?
Of course they knew it was wrong. So did abolitionists at the time. The "era" is no defense because LOTS of people in that era knew slavery was wrong. The fact you think it was culturally okay at that time us exactly why we need to take down statues and rename public buildings that honor those people.
Plus, no kid should have to go to school in a building named after someone who thought she was property.
Hilarious that OP's main objection is to having to learn new names. Heaven forbid you have to extend yourself to learn something new! But, somehow, I suspect you weren't this mad when the Fairfax County Parkway got a new route number.
DP. See, this here's your problem. There are kids today, and there are people in the past. All of the people in this nation's history, they all made this country as it is today, for better or worse. But they are not here today. Whatever they thought or did, they thought or did it then. We cannot change it, and it cannot change us.
You are saying that the people of today are responsible for the past. But that's not true. People today can learn from the past, or can ignore it. But no one here today is responsible for whatever people did in the past, no one today bears the blame for what people did in the past.
These things have nothing to do with the distant past. The were named decades and in some cases a century after the Civil War.
Anonymous
07/15/2022 23:54
Subject: Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is shameful we ever had statues to those treasonous traitors. The reckoning is long overdue.
They weren't treasonous traitors. Stick to facts.
I don't mind taking down the statues but there's a lot of recent revisionist history from both sides.
Don't "both sides" it. They chose to secede from, and then fought, the rest of the country (the union) over their wish to keep slaves. The desire for unity rather than calling it what is was is an open siore in the body of this country that has never healed and won't until it has fresh air and sunlight.
The first PP is one who was revising history. It is definitely both sides doing it.
When I went to school, we were taught that the US was an amazing country because we had a civil war and recovered from it instead of being irreconcilably split, as happens in other countries. I thought that was a positive part of our history, that we successfully reunified. But in the past few years, I'm not sure that's true anymore.
I think that you are actually correct to question such a triumphant narrative. There is still a lot of work to be done before we can truly become an amazing, unified country.
Demonizing current Southerners ain't it. Taking down statues is one thing, wanting to kick out states or people is another. There's a lot of work to do. I don't see many people trying to do any of it.
We should be doing both. Tearing down statues AND kicking out states.