Anonymous wrote:NP here. I took a quick read of the study. It just shows that cameras in black neighborhoods (ie EOTR) are clocking up the lion’s share of ticket revenue, but doesn’t say anything about where the drivers who are getting those tickets live. For anyone who has ever driven EOTR, the results are unsurprising. A small but not insignificant number of cars on any given EOTR road are driven extremely fast. Much more so than elsewhere in the city. Many - but not all - of these cars have MD plates. So, no, I don’t think the fact that there are cameras EOTR racking up huge numbers of tickets demonstrates any racial bias. Rather, it just confirms what many of us have seen with our own eyes - that there are a numerically small but relatively high number of vehicles being driven very dangerously through predominantly black neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

You can dissect data on minor, major, and fatal crashes in DC here: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

Between January 1st, 2018 and July 15, 2022, 158 people were killed on DC streets. 46 percent of those fatalities occurred on the streets of Wards 7 and 8, an area which houses only 22 percent of DC's population.

Residents of wards 7 and 8 are disproportionally victimized by traffic violence. Anyone who argues that relaxing enforcement is beneficial to the residents of those wards clearly isn't thinking much about those victims.

I love patronizing people who think they know what’s in the best interest of people of color. If only they understood that taking away their drivers licenses was in their best interests? You’re not trying to punish them but only to save them from “traffic violence”. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

You can dissect data on minor, major, and fatal crashes in DC here: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

Between January 1st, 2018 and July 15, 2022, 158 people were killed on DC streets. 46 percent of those fatalities occurred on the streets of Wards 7 and 8, an area which houses only 22 percent of DC's population.

Residents of wards 7 and 8 are disproportionally victimized by traffic violence. Anyone who argues that relaxing enforcement is beneficial to the residents of those wards clearly isn't thinking much about those victims.

I love patronizing people who think they know what’s in the best interest of people of color. If only they understood that taking away their drivers licenses was in their best interests? You’re not trying to punish them but only to save them from “traffic violence”. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

You can dissect data on minor, major, and fatal crashes in DC here: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

Between January 1st, 2018 and July 15, 2022, 158 people were killed on DC streets. 46 percent of those fatalities occurred on the streets of Wards 7 and 8, an area which houses only 22 percent of DC's population.

Residents of wards 7 and 8 are disproportionally victimized by traffic violence. Anyone who argues that relaxing enforcement is beneficial to the residents of those wards clearly isn't thinking much about those victims.

I love patronizing people who think they know what’s in the best interest of people of color. If only they understood that taking away their drivers licenses was in their best interests? You’re not trying to punish them but only to save them from “traffic violence”. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

You can dissect data on minor, major, and fatal crashes in DC here: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/a2f1cca5159e4c6eae197895d2e08336

Between January 1st, 2018 and July 15, 2022, 158 people were killed on DC streets. 46 percent of those fatalities occurred on the streets of Wards 7 and 8, an area which houses only 22 percent of DC's population.

Residents of wards 7 and 8 are disproportionally victimized by traffic violence. Anyone who argues that relaxing enforcement is beneficial to the residents of those wards clearly isn't thinking much about those victims.

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

That’s BS in DC, but in any event I’d love to see even more speed cameras in Ward 3. Bring it on!

If you bothered to click the link, you would find that it is a link to a study published by the DC Policy Center about DC. You have any other bs you want to spread?

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

That’s BS in DC, but in any event I’d love to see even more speed cameras in Ward 3. Bring it on!

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

As a hard working person who takes the bus to work and has to cross busy streets to get to the bus stop, I have no problem with people who refuse to obey traffic laws from being prevented from driving if it means I won't be killed by a driver. There are other people in the world besides drivers

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

Then why don't they put them in predominantly White neighborhoods?

Anonymous wrote:My guess is it's an insurance thing. Someone who has no license can't be insured, uninsured hits someone they have a lot less ability yo get covered (suing the uninsured motorist doesn't really help because they likely have no money). They rightfully predict people will drive anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:This is great news. The state shouldn't be able to take away the ability of hard working people to get to their jobs. This is another nail in the coffin of generational poverty for BIPOC.

Gotta love the idea that BIPOC can’t possibly just drive safely or follow the law. Casual racism displays itself in many ways.

This. Years ago, I was offered a ride by immigrant Hispanic neighbors I knew from our kids' school. I was young and stupid and not strictly inclined to use my seatbelt, but they politely asked me to belt up so they wouldn't get stopped by MPD (or wouldn't be found to have violated any rules if they were stopped for some other reason). They were right about safety but also right to insist on basic precautions to avoid citations they couldn't afford. I don't understand why this can't be a basic expectation for everyone. People who can't moderate their speed shouldn't drive, and should expect consequences if they do.

And yet it’s been empirically proven that cameras are placed disproportionately in predominantly Black communities.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2018/dc-policycenter.pdf

I’m confused. Is your argument that speed cameras are causing black people to speed? It’s very simple, don’t speed, and you won’t get a ticket. The speed camera being present doesn’t change that.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is it's an insurance thing. Someone who has no license can't be insured, uninsured hits someone they have a lot less ability yo get covered (suing the uninsured motorist doesn't really help because they likely have no money). They rightfully predict people will drive anyway.

It’s also just true that more speed cameras are placed in Black neighborhoods which results in Black people who have the least ability to pay disproportionately getting the most camera tickets.

https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/65/6501.asp