Anonymous wrote:No. Even if you want kids. There is no guarantee you’re going to get a guy who will be a good dad

You're guaranteed to have a crap dad if you aren't married to the guy.

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Anonymous wrote:It's certainly a better deal for women than it is for men

I agree with this. I don’t see why most men get married.

This is untrue: men with SAHW perform better in career vs those who are unmarried. They have a free laborer on everything else at home.

They are also happier and healthier than single men are

https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19516451/why-married-men-are-happier/

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/marriage-and-mens-health

https://ifstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/IFSMenandMarriageResearchBrief2.pdf

Also selection bias. Happy and healthy guys are more likely to attract a wife, but they'd be happy and healthy anyway if they stayed single.

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Anonymous wrote:It's certainly a better deal for women than it is for men

I agree with this. I don’t see why most men get married.

This is untrue: men with SAHW perform better in career vs those who are unmarried. They have a free laborer on everything else at home.

Selection bias. The guys who are career high performers are more likely to get a SAHW but they'd have great careers anyway even if they didn't get married.

Anonymous wrote:If both people are good people then marriage is worth it for both. People are too focused on just getting what they want or thinking they can have it all. The feminist movement has done some good but it has also done a lot to make women miserable. The happiest married couples are those with traditional roles. Let the dads hunt and gather and let the moms nurture and nest. That's the life I have chosen and I couldn't be any happier. I don't have a chip on my shoulder and feel like I have something to prove to the world

I do think it’s deal to have spouse lean into their career while the other “leans out” while raising kids. The reduction of stress and clarity of roles is nice. I don’t care which gender does what, and in an ideal world spouses could take turns with companies allowing for such flexibility.

But practically, our world is not set up for tha.

Anonymous wrote:30% of married women do not work. They probably think it's worth it

Not necessarily. If they hadn’t gotten married they would have never gotten into a situation where it makes more sense for them not to work. This could be because daycare is more expensive than what they could bring in.

Even if it is because their husbands make so much that it doesn’t make sense for them to work, that doesn’t mean they would have been better off unmarried. Many women who were SAHMs with high earning spouses find themselves divorced with little earning power.

I am a SAHM with a husband who earns a ton of money but the only thing that makes marriage worth it is that I happened to have lucked out and married an amazing human being. I honestly don’t know many women who are definitely better off married.

For both men AND women, marriage is only worth it if you plan to have kids. Without the mutual effort of raising children, there is no point in marriage in the modern world. (Yes there are exceptions but we're not talking about those here.)

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Anonymous wrote:It's certainly a better deal for women than it is for men

I agree with this. I don’t see why most men get married.

This is untrue: men with SAHW perform better in career vs those who are unmarried. They have a free laborer on everything else at home.

Not sure how its free if he's providing everything

He's benefiting while he provides everything, vs being unmarried. If he was unmarried and had children on his own, any man would have zero career. This is why 99% of men would never think of having kids on their own. They need a wife for that.

Women, to the opposite, often have a career and also pull off majority of household duties. This is why more and more women choose the route of a single parenthood&career when they cannot find a partner who would equally contribute in child bearing.

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Anonymous wrote:It's certainly a better deal for women than it is for men

I agree with this. I don’t see why most men get married.

This is untrue: men with SAHW perform better in career vs those who are unmarried. They have a free laborer on everything else at home.

They are also happier and healthier than single men are

https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19516451/why-married-men-are-happier/

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/marriage-and-mens-health

https://ifstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/IFSMenandMarriageResearchBrief2.pdf

This thread is so romantic. Not

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Anonymous wrote:It's probably worth it if you want children.

No children? It's probably not worth it: just be boyfriend and girlfriend.

On this I agree - particularly cause children are the only way to get a really solid deduction as a MC person. Now if you divorce, you lose that anyway. So it’s a toss up.

Oh yes, I certainly had my children in order to take advantage of that solid deduction /s

Anonymous wrote:All i know is that between the ages of 40 and 60, most men could trade up but most women could not

"Trade up" to what? If you mean to another partner, sure, you are right - there are more high-quality women out there than there are men (generally).

Otherwise, I would say that leaving a bad marriage is per se a "trade up," even and probaby especially with no other human involved.

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Anonymous wrote:It's certainly a better deal for women than it is for men

I agree with this. I don’t see why most men get married.

This is untrue: men with SAHW perform better in career vs those who are unmarried. They have a free laborer on everything else at home.

Not sure how its free if he's providing everything

Well you have to look at it like this. There is “our” money and my money- our money = everything the DH brings in, my money is anything the DW brings in.

If both people are good people then marriage is worth it for both. People are too focused on just getting what they want or thinking they can have it all. The feminist movement has done some good but it has also done a lot to make women miserable. The happiest married couples are those with traditional roles. Let the dads hunt and gather and let the moms nurture and nest. That's the life I have chosen and I couldn't be any happier. I don't have a chip on my shoulder and feel like I have something to prove to the world

Family values people realize all this and don’t like it. You better get a husband before Gilead takes over.

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Anonymous wrote:It's certainly a better deal for women than it is for men

I agree with this. I don’t see why most men get married.

This is untrue: men with SAHW perform better in career vs those who are unmarried. They have a free laborer on everything else at home.

Not sure how its free if he's providing everything