Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 22:40     Subject: Re:Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:I am pro-vaccine, but the younger the kid, the more I can see why parents are hesitant. The benefit/risk trade off is different than for you. You have every right to make the right decision for yourself, but you are making it.

+1.

Hey, what happened to all the flu cases and deaths?
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 22:35     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm so sorry OP. It's always the idiots who are completely hard-headed.


Are you calling the OP or her son idiot?


The son is an idiot to refuse a vax with proven effectiveness for his kid. I just saw a neighbor kid whose mom refused to get her vaxxed suffer through a really terrible case of CoViD (lots of leg pain to the extent she had difficulty walking and had to be hospitalized for a day plus a high fever) whereas all the other vaxxed kids in the neighborhood had mild or asymptomatic CoViD cases. Her mother got her vaxxed after she had CoViD (came to her senses far too late.) If your son thinks your unvaxxed kid is better off remaining unvaxxed and in a daycare or with an unknown stepfather that’s your son’s decision. It’s an idiotic decision your son would be making but you have the right to protect yourself and those around you by insisting they be vaxxed.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 21:53     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
OP- I'm very pro-vax, but I think you have to assess your own risk (not much changed) and leave the risk/benefit for your grandson up to his dad.

You need to be clear that your grandson isn't vaccinated, and it's not your fault if he gets covid and has terrible symptoms (unlikely, given his age).

The only way this might affect you is if your son insists that you keep your grandson isolated when you're babysitting (i.e. not take him into the community). That can be hard with a young child.

Covid has become endemic and at this point, I'm over the vaccine arguments. Also, you never know...my DH got covid in May, coughed all over our house for days and DS and I never got it. We're all vaxxed and boosted. It's a weird illness.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 21:45     Subject: Re:Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry, OP, this must be really hard.

I can't tell you what to do in this situation, but I can tell you what I would do. There is not a vaccine in the world that is important enough to keep me away from my 6-year-old grandson, with whom I am very close, especially in a situation like this. Losing contact with you could be devasting to him, especially given the fact that it sounds like their has already been a divorce in his life.

Please think about that. He needs you.


Thank you. This is why I didn't press the issue before now. I have a concern that if my grandson were to become ill, my son would blame me for it. I know I would blame myself. The rates are high where we live and unfortunately, vaccination rates are low. There was recently a huge convention of the QAnons not two miles from my house.

But you're right and I will think about it more. Thank you.



+1. This is not about your son, it's about your grandson. Please put his needs first, and his need is to be with you. Don't let some pigheaded argument with your son get in the way of what is best for a 6 year old.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 21:41     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
I am totally pro-vaccine and my whole family (youngest is 12) are all fully vaccinated and boosted. That being said, I’ve definitely modified my views with all the variants. I think there is basically zero risks to vaccines and we will continue to get boosted as we are advised. But I know longer feel I can only be around people who are vaccinated. The risk of Covid to young people is quite low, the vaccines don’t help as much anymore around infections (although they do help with serious side-effects), that I can see why parents may hold off on vaccinating young kids- not because they are “risky,” but because their benefit isn’t as meaningful as for older people.

In OP’s case, I would be sad to have a son who is a science-denying Q believer, but I would be okay being around the grandson.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 21:17     Subject: Re:Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
I’m so sorry, OP. I would probably cave because I don’t think I could stand being cut off from my grandkids. I’m fully vax’d and boosted. My husband and our kids (all adults) are vaccinated as well. My grandkids are not. They are very young (3 years old and 4 months old). Their parents want to wait and I can understand their reasoning.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 21:02     Subject: Re:Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
I am pro-vaccine, but the younger the kid, the more I can see why parents are hesitant. The benefit/risk trade off is different than for you. You have every right to make the right decision for yourself, but you are making it.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 20:34     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
I would have to stop to protect my own health OP. It's your son's choice.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 19:38     Subject: Re:Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:Have you asked him why?

My husband and I are both fully vaccinated. We have not vaccinated our child who is 5. We will likely give her the novavax version in 2 or so years after it’s been approved. We have chosen not to give her the current ones available not because we don’t believe in them but they were approved under emergency protocol and we would prefer a vaccine that is more fully researched for our child. We have consulted on an ongoing basis with our child’s pediatrician who supports this decision for our child (not speaking for other kids because each individuals health and risk is different.

If a family member or cafe provider mandated we give our child the vaccine we would stand firm by our decision. I am not saying your son is right but you could be more curious around his choice. This is not a black and white issue although so much of the narrative paints it as so.


How do you not “believe” in a vaccine? It’s science, it’s not like unicorns or fairies or aliens. WTF
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 18:03     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:I'm so sorry OP. It's always the idiots who are completely hard-headed.


Are you calling the OP or her son idiot?
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 17:58     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
I would not allow my child to stay with you because you're unable to recognize that I'm the parent and it's my decision. You can live with it and keep your mouth shut and let him visit or hound me and never see your grandchildren again. Your choice.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 17:52     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The vaccine does not protect agains they current variant. Covid has mutated 4 times since the vaccine was developed. Children have a 0.01 percent (a fraction of a percent chance) of being severely affected by Covid. For adults they used a 18,000 person trial study, for kids they used 3,000 kids. Unless the child is unhealthy and/or has comorbities, it is not effective. I am in public health and am vaxxed and boosted. My child is not. I wore masks and did everything recommended. I got Covid first my child had a very mild case a month later. Covid is here to stay and will keep mutating. It is not a matter of if you get it, it’s when.

Stop the BS about being selfish. THIS IS A CHOICE. Follow the damm science and quit making this about politics and self righteousness.


If you are not doing basic precautions or caring, yes, you are selfish.


This post isn’t about “basic precautions or caring” it’s about a vaxxed dad making a decision about what age to vaccinate his own child.
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2022 17:43     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
DH and I are vaccinated, but have chosen not to vaccinate our kids. My family finds this unacceptable and for moral reasons, won’t be around us. The kids grandparents made it clear they wouldn’t see the kids if they weren’t vaccinated, so they just didn’t see the kids. They changed their minds when they realized we weren’t going to budge on our decision. The rest of my family are still holding strong saying that our family is forever disinvited to everything. Fine - but I’ve realized they’ve completely lost their relationships with our children. So, you make choices.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2022 19:34     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Anonymous wrote:Oh stop pushing your values and forcing your son to do what you want. He has a right to make a decision about his child. It’s psychological for you- I get wanting to feel like you have a “life vest” on but people who are vaccinated have still gotten Covid, so why exactly are you forcing the issue for? You are vaccinated, right? So what’s the problem? Power trip on your part. You have every right not to babysit him, but this is how you want to spend your last years? Estranged from your grandson. Wouldn’t you feel worse if your healthy grandson had some kind of terrible reaction to the vaccine? Get over yourself!


+1

Teachers around the country have been around unvaccinated, unmasked kids for months now. I really think pushing vaccinations for young kids is wrong and actually selfish on the part of adults. It’s just to make you feel better because a vaccine for Covid certainly isn’t to protect my four year old. And the numbers of vaccinated kids in this country under 12 show that most parents agree.
Anonymous
Post 07/11/2022 19:10     Subject: Granson not allowed to get vaccinated
Oh stop pushing your values and forcing your son to do what you want. He has a right to make a decision about his child. It’s psychological for you- I get wanting to feel like you have a “life vest” on but people who are vaccinated have still gotten Covid, so why exactly are you forcing the issue for? You are vaccinated, right? So what’s the problem? Power trip on your part. You have every right not to babysit him, but this is how you want to spend your last years? Estranged from your grandson. Wouldn’t you feel worse if your healthy grandson had some kind of terrible reaction to the vaccine? Get over yourself!