Anonymous
06/27/2022 12:18
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.
It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.
This was such the right decision.
I do not believe in God, I do not want my children being led in prayer in their public school and I consider this ruling a violation of my and my children's religious freedom. I might be more appalled by this than the abortion ruling for which I disagreed, but could follow the constitutional logic. This literally is pushing me to vote democratic when I've been frustrated with Biden and the far left.
No child was forced to join in prayer. The coach had the right to exercise his religion freely.
Do you truly not understand human social power dynamics or are you just arguing? Being a leader comes with responsibility. Using your power to manipulate minors or subordinates is not moral.
Anonymous
06/27/2022 12:15
Subject: Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Am I reading this wrong that the guy prayed on his own time and didn't lead anything?
I am a committed atheist but I don't see anything wrong with a private prayer.
I will quote fox news for once.
"Joe Kennedy was a junior varsity head coach and varsity assistant coach with the Bremerton School District in Washington from 2008 to 2015. He began the practice of reciting a post-game prayer by himself, but eventually students started joining him. According to court documents, this evolved into motivational speeches that included religious themes. After an opposing coach brought it to the principal's attention, the school district told Kennedy to stop. He did, temporarily, then notified the school that he would resume the practice."
I have no issue with a private prayer to yourself, I work in healthcare where folks do that all the time, but I DO take issue with him starting to lead groups of students in prayer. I've also been in that situation at work where the religious manager started to do that and as an atheist, it was horrifically uncomfortable, and it was also uncomfortable for staff who felt compelled to participate when they weren't religious.
Implications of the ruling are that teachers can lead groups of students in prayer and I find that incredibly problematic for freedom of religion when teachers are authority figures in schools. I am appalled by this ruling.
I'm the poster you quoted and I agree completely.
Anonymous
06/27/2022 12:13
Subject: Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Am I reading this wrong that the guy prayed on his own time and didn't lead anything?
I am a committed atheist but I don't see anything wrong with a private prayer.
I will quote fox news for once.
"Joe Kennedy was a junior varsity head coach and varsity assistant coach with the Bremerton School District in Washington from 2008 to 2015. He began the practice of reciting a post-game prayer by himself, but eventually students started joining him. According to court documents, this evolved into motivational speeches that included religious themes. After an opposing coach brought it to the principal's attention, the school district told Kennedy to stop. He did, temporarily, then notified the school that he would resume the practice."
I have no issue with a private prayer to yourself, I work in healthcare where folks do that all the time, but I DO take issue with him starting to lead groups of students in prayer. I've also been in that situation at work where the religious manager started to do that and as an atheist, it was horrifically uncomfortable, and it was also uncomfortable for staff who felt compelled to participate when they weren't religious.
Implications of the ruling are that teachers can lead groups of students in prayer and I find that incredibly problematic for freedom of religion when teachers are authority figures in schools. I am appalled by this ruling.
Anonymous
06/27/2022 12:11
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.
It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.
This was such the right decision.
Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.
The optics of a coach in a public school leading a prayer group of SOME students, even with no coercion, has a significant chilling effect on the rest.
Anonymous
06/27/2022 12:11
Subject: Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Separation of church and state was to keep government out of the church not the other way around... EVEN THOUGH IT SHOULD BE EQUAL.
Fk this fragile-ass white christian snowflakes.
Hey now, no need to bring race into this. The black church has been a key driving force to keep Cannabis illegal as well as gay marriage. It’s fundamentalism in all forms that we need to resist.
Anonymous
06/27/2022 12:09
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.
It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.
This was such the right decision.
Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.
That is just not true at all.
It’s completely true.
Anonymous
06/27/2022 12:08
Subject: Separaton of Church and State
Am I reading this wrong that the guy prayed on his own time and didn't lead anything?
I am a committed atheist but I don't see anything wrong with a private prayer.
I am a committed atheist but I don't see anything wrong with a private prayer.
Anonymous
06/27/2022 12:05
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.
It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.
This was such the right decision.
I do not believe in God, I do not want my children being led in prayer in their public school and I consider this ruling a violation of my and my children's religious freedom. I might be more appalled by this than the abortion ruling for which I disagreed, but could follow the constitutional logic. This literally is pushing me to vote democratic when I've been frustrated with Biden and the far left.
No child was forced to join in prayer. The coach had the right to exercise his religion freely.
I have no problem with the coach speaking a prayer to himself, but he starting leading groups of students in prayer, and I view that as intrusive and over the line infringing on others' religious freedom.
Anonymous
06/27/2022 12:03
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.
It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.
This was such the right decision.
I do not believe in God, I do not want my children being led in prayer in their public school and I consider this ruling a violation of my and my children's religious freedom. I might be more appalled by this than the abortion ruling for which I disagreed, but could follow the constitutional logic. This literally is pushing me to vote democratic when I've been frustrated with Biden and the far left.
No child was forced to join in prayer. The coach had the right to exercise his religion freely.
Anonymous
06/27/2022 12:01
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.
It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.
This was such the right decision.
Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.
That is just not true at all.
Anonymous
06/27/2022 11:59
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.
It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.
This was such the right decision.
It definitely speaks to the fact that so many are in a cult and that your actual faith in God is weak.
Anonymous
06/27/2022 11:58
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.
It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.
This was such the right decision.
I do not believe in God, I do not want my children being led in prayer in their public school and I consider this ruling a violation of my and my children's religious freedom. I might be more appalled by this than the abortion ruling for which I disagreed, but could follow the constitutional logic. This literally is pushing me to vote democratic when I've been frustrated with Biden and the far left.
Anonymous
06/27/2022 11:58
Subject: Re:Separaton of Church and State
Anonymous wrote:MMoH started us on this path towards intolerance towards religious expression in the 60’s. I am thankful God is taking back the places people were restricted from their free exercise of religion. In the oral argument, the lawyer for the district said coercion of students had nothing to do with this case. Many chose to join his sessions.
It speaks wonders to know so many from the stands rushed the field to join the coach in prayer.
This was such the right decision.
Many felt like they had to join his sessions because then they wouldn’t get playing time over those who did if they didn’t.
Anonymous
Anonymous
06/27/2022 11:56
Subject: Separaton of Church and State
I just posted separately. I'm an independent middle of the road, but left leaning voter who has been frustrated with both the far left and far right. I've been disappointed in Biden.
This double whammy of SC rulings has me terrified though and I'll be registering as a democrat.
This double whammy of SC rulings has me terrified though and I'll be registering as a democrat.