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Anonymous wrote:Based on earlier comments, it sounds like people want to base academic rankings on job placement and salary statistics. Those two don’t necessarily correlate. If you’re comparing an Ivy classics major to a State U CS major, the comparison makes no sense from an academic perspective, but the CS major will have a higher salary. What’s the point of the ROI focus? To make the arts look bad? Don’t people already know which majors pay? ROI is a dumb way to rate academic excellence.

College degree is useless waste of money if you serve at a restaurant or make coffee at Starbucks afterwards.
It's not everything but most important factor

It works the other way too. Anyone who pays too dollar for a degree in a field which pays high salaries regardless of where your degree is from is throwing away their money. When you can do just as well in engineering or CS with a degree from Stat U, why pay 2-3 times as much as much?

Anonymous wrote:Northwestern is significantly overrated--it should fall.

Wrong.

There have been several mentions of Notre Dame in this thread, so I want to point to a statistical reality for Notre Dame. For a college of their stature and name recognition, they don’t receive a lot of interest, as reflected by the number of applications.

In their region of the country, private colleges of similar size and stature receive more applications. Not only do Chicago and Northwestern receive more applications, but so do Case Western Reserve, Washington University/St. Louis and Vanderbilt. So do Tulane and Rice, also in the middle of the country.

Among Catholic colleges, interest is exceeded by Boston College, Georgetown, and Fordham. Notre Dame received 26,000 applications this year while BC received more than 40,000. And colleges like Villanova and Loyola Marymount are coming up close behind with rapidly rising numbers of applications.

What Notre Dame has going for it is that students who apply there really want to go there. The result is that their yield is exceptionally high - over 60% last year for this current freshman class. They accomplish this by catering to alumni and admitting high numbers of legacies. It’s a good strategy and it works for them. However, it also means that they don’t have a large margin for error. Yield for Notre Dame doesn’t have to drop all that much for their acceptance rate to rise quickly. The SCOTUS appointment of Amy Comey Barrett has solidified their reputation as a place for conservative Catholics unlike many of their .Catholic college competitors which have broadened their appeal. Catholic colleges already have a more limited pool of applicants, but a college which limits their appeal to only a smaller segment of that niche has the potential for future declining interest.

Northwestern is significantly overrated--it should fall.

Anonymous wrote:Bullish on Cornell (I know, get your jokes in)

Bearish on vandy, rice, Emory
Duke will fall but stay in t20

Cornell, jhu will rise

Bullish on Cornell

Anonymous wrote:Vandy, Rice, ND, Washington U and Emory will fall and Berkeley and UCLA will rise.

Makes sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Yale will fall
UChicago will Fall
Cornell will fall
Duke will fall
UVA will fall
UCLA will fall
UCB will fall
Georgetown will fall
Notre Dame will hopefully fall

Brown will Rise
Upenn will Rise
Northwestern will Rise
Emory will Rise
Vanderbilt will rise
WashU will rise

The best way to predict potential is endowment and endowment gains.

looking at your list, are you saying an inverse relationship exists between size of endowment and potential? Yale 43 billion vs Brown 7 billion?

The title says which will fall, not fall out the top 20. It's not mutually exclusive Yale will fall but can still be top 10, just not top 5.

Still makes no sense to tie the two together and arrive at these conclusions.

Vandy, Rice, ND, Washington U and Emory will fall and Berkeley and UCLA will rise.

Anonymous wrote:WashU, Emory, Vanderbilt, Rice will fall as top students choose not to live in handmaiden states.

So will Notre Dame in Indiana.

T10 schools will stay the same, except for some minor shuffling.

Some combination of HYPSM, Columbia, Chicago, Penn, Northwestern, Duke, and Caltech.

No significant change.

Anonymous wrote:Based on earlier comments, it sounds like people want to base academic rankings on job placement and salary statistics. Those two don’t necessarily correlate. If you’re comparing an Ivy classics major to a State U CS major, the comparison makes no sense from an academic perspective, but the CS major will have a higher salary. What’s the point of the ROI focus? To make the arts look bad? Don’t people already know which majors pay? ROI is a dumb way to rate academic excellence.

I was thinking something similar. I think ROI is useful within fields of study but not across different fields. Also, we all know artists should get paid more for their valuable contributions!

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Anonymous wrote:Rice or Vanderbilt will probably drop out of the top 20

Plus Notre Dame, UVA, Emory and Washington University.

When was UVA T20? It's barely T30.
Also Emory mostly right outside of T20 anyways.

Notre Dame is a solid school with money power.
It'll remain T20.

UVA is 25

On only 1 ranking

Ah, the UVA bashing has begun. Some people just can’t stand that it’s ranked 25. UVA has almost always been well-ranked. If you go back to early USNWR rankings, UVA was in the mid-Top 25.

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Anonymous wrote:Rice or Vanderbilt will probably drop out of the top 20

Plus Notre Dame, UVA, Emory and Washington University.

When was UVA T20? It's barely T30.
Also Emory mostly right outside of T20 anyways.

Notre Dame is a solid school with money power.
It'll remain T20.

UVA is 25

On only 1 ranking

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yale will fall
UChicago will Fall
Cornell will fall
Duke will fall
UVA will fall
UCLA will fall
UCB will fall
Georgetown will fall
Notre Dame will hopefully fall

Brown will Rise
Upenn will Rise
Northwestern will Rise
Emory will Rise
Vanderbilt will rise
WashU will rise

The best way to predict potential is endowment and endowment gains.

looking at your list, are you saying an inverse relationship exists between size of endowment and potential? Yale 43 billion vs Brown 7 billion?

The title says which will fall, not fall out the top 20. It's not mutually exclusive Yale will fall but can still be top 10, just not top 5.