Anonymous
Post 06/20/2022 21:10     Subject: Jesus had 2 dads?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I mean he was killed in his 30s for inciting violence against the government but I guess for some value of fine…


No, it was for blasphemy. The Romans didn’t have an issue with him but they executed him to appease the locals. Also the Maccabean War was still a recent memory.


I don't think it was for blasphemy. It was for making trouble at the temple. See, e..g.:


Mark 11:15-19

15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves,
16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts.
17 And as he taught them, he said, “Is it not written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations’ ? But you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’ ”
18 The chief priests and the teachers of the law heard this and began looking for a way to kill him, for they feared him, because the whole crowd was amazed at his teaching.
19 When evening came, Jesus and his disciples went out of the city.

I think it is interesting that Mohammed was run out of Mecca for largely the same reason, upsetting the commercial interests with his views of religion.


The Romans were not concerned with quibbles at the temple, none of that mattered to them.


The Romans were, in fact, concerned with trouble makers. And Jesus was deemed a trouble maker obviously by those in the temple he upset.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2022 20:54     Subject: Re:Jesus had 2 dads?
This is not going to be popular. But, perhaps take a look at the ancient pagan use of the word “son”. And “son/sun of god”.

Jesus had one earthly father, presumably Joseph. He impregnated Mary. Jesus is very much the son of God. The Bible actually calls us all “sons and daughters of God”. Jesus even said “This you can do and more”. Accepting that he was fully human does not detract from his divinity. He was certainly chosen by God. He was a healer. A life-changer. A miracle worker. The messiah. But, he was fully human. His death and resurrection, like his birth are metaphysical concepts. Not literal.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2022 20:43     Subject: Jesus had 2 dads?
Anonymous wrote:In catholic school, the nuns always referred to Joseph as being the foster or step father of Jesus. He took care of Jesus as he would his own son, just as many step parents do.


I’m Catholic and have always heard Saint Joseph referred to as the foster father of Jesus as well.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2022 18:13     Subject: Re:Jesus had 2 dads?
It is referred to as the Immaculate Conception in my Catholic church. Immaculate meaning clean, no sex, no sperm. That's how Sister Cabrini told it.


Christ was conceived without sex, but the Immaculate Conception is actually the conception of Mary, held by Catholics, to be without the stain of original sin. Most Christians believe Jesus was conceived without sex, but the Immaculate Conception is a distinctively Catholic belief.


Correct according to the Catholic Church. Mary was the Immaculate Conception -- conceived and born without Original Sin. Jesus was born with Original Sin, which is why he had to be baptized.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2022 18:04     Subject: Jesus had 2 dads?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Bible says blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is - the only - unforgivable sin. Just saying. In case you are Christian.


That’s not blasphemy. God has a sense of humor.


sez who? There's nothing in the Bible about that. God is powerful and can be benign or cruel, but funny? DOn't think so.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2022 15:30     Subject: Jesus had 2 dads?
Anonymous wrote:Bible says blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is - the only - unforgivable sin. Just saying. In case you are Christian.


That’s not blasphemy. God has a sense of humor.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2022 15:22     Subject: Jesus had 2 dads?
Anonymous wrote:Died at age 33, not exactly the future I desire for my children.


But rose from the dead after 3 days and now lives eternally in heaven -- and sent his Mom up there later. Sounds pretty good -- if you believe it.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2022 15:22     Subject: Jesus had 2 dads?
Anonymous wrote:Died at age 33, not exactly the future I desire for my children.


Went to heaven—not a bad future.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2022 08:55     Subject: Jesus had 2 dads?
Died at age 33, not exactly the future I desire for my children.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2022 08:45     Subject: Jesus had 2 dads?
Anonymous wrote:Nice explanation of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit here: https://www.tenth.org/resource-library/articles/what-is-blasphemy-against-the-holy-spirit/

Basically, it has to do with hypocrisy and denying what god has put right in front of you. And has nothing to do with the somewhat benign joke this thread is about, which is clearly making a point.


It includes saying that which is of the holy spirit is of evil, or the reverse.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2022 08:36     Subject: Jesus had 2 dads?
Nice explanation of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit here: https://www.tenth.org/resource-library/articles/what-is-blasphemy-against-the-holy-spirit/

Basically, it has to do with hypocrisy and denying what god has put right in front of you. And has nothing to do with the somewhat benign joke this thread is about, which is clearly making a point.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2022 08:01     Subject: Jesus had 2 dads?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I mean he was killed in his 30s for inciting violence against the government but I guess for some value of fine…


No, it was for blasphemy. The Romans didn’t have an issue with him but they executed him to appease the locals. Also the Maccabean War was still a recent memory.


I don't think it was for blasphemy. It was for making trouble at the temple. See, e..g.:


Mark 11:15-19

15 On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves,
16 and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts.
17 And as he taught them, he said, “Is it not written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations’ ? But you have made it ‘a den of robbers.’ ”
18 The chief priests and the teachers of the law heard this and began looking for a way to kill him, for they feared him, because the whole crowd was amazed at his teaching.
19 When evening came, Jesus and his disciples went out of the city.

I think it is interesting that Mohammed was run out of Mecca for largely the same reason, upsetting the commercial interests with his views of religion.


The Romans were not concerned with quibbles at the temple, none of that mattered to them.
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2022 07:57     Subject: Re:Jesus had 2 dads?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s making reference to God and Joseph. And fyi…..Mary wasn’t a virgin in the sense we use that word today. I’m those days the word virgin meant young unmarried woman. It’s takes a sperm and an egg to make a baby.




It is referred to as the Immaculate Conception in my Catholic church. Immaculate meaning clean, no sex, no sperm. That's how Sister Cabrini told it.


Or terrified tween bride needing to come up with a story to explain her pregnancy to avoid getting stoned to death
Anonymous
Post 06/20/2022 07:37     Subject: Jesus had 2 dads?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How would you even "blaspheme" "the holy spirit"?

I googled it and there are many pages of explanations, but none very precise. Most of those pages struggle to explain it.

One thing I liked was "only an unsaved person who is aware of who God is can do it ". https://www.christianity.com/wiki/holy-spirit/what-is-the-blasphemy-of-the-holy-spirit.html

Since I am not aware who god is, I guess I can say whatever I want without fear. Cool!


You're aware; you just don't believe. Sounds like blasphemy to me. But if you truly don't believe in God/religion, then you don't believe in blasphemy either. Other people think you've blasphemed, but you don't.


That is incorrect, I am not aware. And what you say is not what the article quoted says. Which is right, and why?
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2022 21:19     Subject: Jesus had 2 dads?
Anonymous wrote:How would you even "blaspheme" "the holy spirit"?

I googled it and there are many pages of explanations, but none very precise. Most of those pages struggle to explain it.

One thing I liked was "only an unsaved person who is aware of who God is can do it ". https://www.christianity.com/wiki/holy-spirit/what-is-the-blasphemy-of-the-holy-spirit.html

Since I am not aware who god is, I guess I can say whatever I want without fear. Cool!


You're aware; you just don't believe. Sounds like blasphemy to me. But if you truly don't believe in God/religion, then you don't believe in blasphemy either. Other people think you've blasphemed, but you don't.