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Anonymous wrote:Those economically disadvantaged questions shouldn't be filled by students and parents. They should come directly from the school system. If anybody is willing to claim economically disadvantage status, they should also claim it with the school system. I couldn't believe this type of mess happen in US, the top 1 country in the world. It's really a shame.

Also they should verify any accomplishments claimed in the essay. However, I doubt they are doing that. Probably 40 kids went to National MathCounts from Virginia last year, according to the applications. In reality, there were 4, and I think it was held online.

I agree that they probably aren't verifying accomplishments, and that's really pathetic. The names of the 4 kids picked for Mathcounts nationals are published. Likewise, MAA puts out a list of all kids who qualify for AIME or honor rolls on the AMC tests. It would not at all be difficult for TJ admissions to verify national level achievements.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those economically disadvantaged questions shouldn't be filled by students and parents. They should come directly from the school system. If anybody is willing to claim economically disadvantage status, they should also claim it with the school system. I couldn't believe this type of mess happen in US, the top 1 country in the world. It's really a shame.

Also they should verify any accomplishments claimed in the essay. However, I doubt they are doing that. Probably 40 kids went to National MathCounts from Virginia last year, according to the applications. In reality, there were 4, and I think it was held online.

Yes, the accomplishments claims should also be verified. Whoever cheat on this should be removed from TJ immediately.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those economically disadvantaged questions shouldn't be filled by students and parents. They should come directly from the school system. If anybody is willing to claim economically disadvantage status, they should also claim it with the school system. I couldn't believe this type of mess happen in US, the top 1 country in the world. It's really a shame.

Also they should verify any accomplishments claimed in the essay. However, I doubt they are doing that. Probably 40 kids went to National MathCounts from Virginia last year, according to the applications. In reality, there were 4, and I think it was held online.

Sounds like the whole process is open to lying and cheating.

Perhaps, but many parents on this board made the FARMS question into such a big issue it's not surprising they are now following up. Perhaps, if they had spent the past few months complaining about exaggerations on the essays that would be happening now too.

Start.

Find the data and they will have to listen. Ask them to explain exactly how they monitored cheating during the online exam? How does what they use compare to the Gold Standard of online exams? Maybe an expert witness in the TJ lawsuit could testify.

In fairness, the free meals was super easy to highlight. It was so obvious, being discussed by prep companies, and the admissions office was incredibly open about telling people that anyone left check yes. Not sure it’s possible me to prove cheating since there were no cameras and no monitoring software to my knowledge.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those economically disadvantaged questions shouldn't be filled by students and parents. They should come directly from the school system. If anybody is willing to claim economically disadvantage status, they should also claim it with the school system. I couldn't believe this type of mess happen in US, the top 1 country in the world. It's really a shame.

Also they should verify any accomplishments claimed in the essay. However, I doubt they are doing that. Probably 40 kids went to National MathCounts from Virginia last year, according to the applications. In reality, there were 4, and I think it was held online.

Sounds like the whole process is open to lying and cheating.

Perhaps, but many parents on this board made the FARMS question into such a big issue it's not surprising they are now following up. Perhaps, if they had spent the past few months complaining about exaggerations on the essays that would be happening now too.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those economically disadvantaged questions shouldn't be filled by students and parents. They should come directly from the school system. If anybody is willing to claim economically disadvantage status, they should also claim it with the school system. I couldn't believe this type of mess happen in US, the top 1 country in the world. It's really a shame.

Also they should verify any accomplishments claimed in the essay. However, I doubt they are doing that. Probably 40 kids went to National MathCounts from Virginia last year, according to the applications. In reality, there were 4, and I think it was held online.

Sounds like the whole process is open to lying and cheating.

Anonymous wrote:Those economically disadvantaged questions shouldn't be filled by students and parents. They should come directly from the school system. If anybody is willing to claim economically disadvantage status, they should also claim it with the school system. I couldn't believe this type of mess happen in US, the top 1 country in the world. It's really a shame.

Also they should verify any accomplishments claimed in the essay. However, I doubt they are doing that. Probably 40 kids went to National MathCounts from Virginia last year, according to the applications. In reality, there were 4, and I think it was held online.

Anonymous wrote:Don’t believe they are doing anything for the class of 2025, but they should. 138 Farms kids. That’s astronomical. It is time to get the liars out of TJ.

Again, I think people may be making the wrong assumption that these are cheaters. I suspect even if cheaters are removed, the number of FARMS will stay the same, because of how much of a boost it is. When I went to school, there would have been many FARMS kids who would do well on this admissions.

Anonymous wrote:Why they bother to wait for parents sending proofs? They could get a yes or no from the food service office directly. There are less than 200 students. The work load is not high.

Probably privacy. Parents have to overtly provide the info.

Why they bother to wait for parents sending proofs? They could get a yes or no from the food service office directly. There are less than 200 students. The work load is not high.

Anonymous wrote:This is incredible. I’m glad they’re going to asking for supporting documents but they should have handled this issue carefully to begin with.

I'm not so sure. If their intent was to root out and eliminate the most toxic applicants, they hit it out of the park.

Don’t believe they are doing anything for the class of 2025, but they should. 138 Farms kids. That’s astronomical. It is time to get the liars out of TJ.

This is incredible. I’m glad they’re going to asking for supporting documents but they should have handled this issue carefully to begin with.

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Maybe since offers were already made they will honor those but recalculate wait list #s and reorder that list.

We didn't receive the email ourselves, but based on what was posted here it says: "Reevaluation of your application may result in a change of admission decision". No reason they would, or should, refrain from unadmitting someone who was wrongly awarded the FARMS experience factor points and was unable to provide documentation.

Has anyone else confirmed receiving the email?

We checked no and didn’t receive it.

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Anonymous wrote:if people keep mentioning this issue, TJ probably have to verify the 2025 class, which is what they supposed to do. I am expecting next year TJ will go back to the admission policy with correct valuation.

And unicorns. Don’t forget about the unicorns.

I think it's great they're going to remove all the cheaters. Biggest improvement in he schools history!

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