Anonymous wrote:I lived by a a flight path, 200 from feet train tracks in a busy street that was a corner house.

I don’t see why anything had to be disclosed. Folks have Google maps. Heck when we moved in walls had cracks in plaster due to vibrations.

I recall when 13 a girl during thanksgiving dinner crashed into out retaining wall with her mustang. Normal stuff

When did you live there? Because we are talking about an unending stream of planes flying at much lower altitudes than they did in the past. i

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who are bothered by plane noise seriously bother me. Especially being that far out.

I walk/run by DCA several days a week - it's about 1.5 mile from my home on paths, and considerably shorter if you draw a direct line. It's white noise. And you physically FEEL takeoff and landing sometimes.

Not a big deal, but a tradeoff for living in the neighborhood we choose to live in.

If you're that abnormally sensitive, move elsewhere and don't complain about not having an airport you can get to easily.

The airport is 1.5 miles from your house?

Another poster who has never been to DC or NoVa.

I lived by a a flight path, 200 from feet train tracks in a busy street that was a corner house.

I don’t see why anything had to be disclosed. Folks have Google maps. Heck when we moved in walls had cracks in plaster due to vibrations.

I recall when 13 a girl during thanksgiving dinner crashed into out retaining wall with her mustang. Normal stuff

Anonymous wrote:People who are bothered by plane noise seriously bother me. Especially being that far out.

I walk/run by DCA several days a week - it's about 1.5 mile from my home on paths, and considerably shorter if you draw a direct line. It's white noise. And you physically FEEL takeoff and landing sometimes.

Not a big deal, but a tradeoff for living in the neighborhood we choose to live in.

If you're that abnormally sensitive, move elsewhere and don't complain about not having an airport you can get to easily.

The airport is 1.5 miles from your house?

Anonymous wrote:Great point. It’s not just the noise. It’s the particulates, especially the very small ones that have recently been found to be terribly dangerous (it’s better to stand in the middle of the highway whole day long than live under a flight path lots of research at UWA, Europe etc)

Chemtrails!

Anonymous wrote:You’d think the market will have spoken. But it hasn’t yet. It will.
I think the issue has been the generally awful and old housing stock in DC. Watching real estate shows from LA is just like what?!

Why do you think the market will speak? The noise base been this way for years.

I found this very useful when moving to the area. There are noise sensor networks for both DCA and IAD.

https://webtrak.emsbk.com/dca

https://webtrak.emsbk.com/iad

You can watch (not in real time, delayed by about an hour) the noise levels rise and fall with planes on various flight paths in the area. Historical data is also available, beyond that data feed, so you can look at different times of day.

Once I had the dB levels, I googled to find charts of what a certain number of decibels equated to in noise levels. (As loud as a normal conversation? As a drill? etc.).

This stuff is out there, it's public. As someone who was looking at buying in the area, once I picked up from the forums here that there were places where airport noise was an issue, I started googling and that's how I came across the sensor network info. (I also looked at flood maps and other historical flood data, tornado records, water treatment/sewage plants in the area, etc.) I know that most people don't do that level of due diligence, but it certainly helps avoid some things.

Even with the level of research I did, though, I didn't realize there are still helicopters from Mt. Weather that frequently fly over so low that my house shakes. It's very, very difficult to catch every possibility of something disruptive, when you don't live in an area already.

It’s really hard to avoid the airplane noise in this area. I live close to Dulles and sometimes I don’t hear planes for days and then other times they go over every few minutes all day long.

What does complaining do? I knew we would be living close to an airport, but short of moving out of the area, what can one do?

People who are bothered by plane noise seriously bother me. Especially being that far out.

I walk/run by DCA several days a week - it's about 1.5 mile from my home on paths, and considerably shorter if you draw a direct line. It's white noise. And you physically FEEL takeoff and landing sometimes.

Not a big deal, but a tradeoff for living in the neighborhood we choose to live in.

If you're that abnormally sensitive, move elsewhere and don't complain about not having an airport you can get to easily.

Great point. It’s not just the noise. It’s the particulates, especially the very small ones that have recently been found to be terribly dangerous (it’s better to stand in the middle of the highway whole day long than live under a flight path lots of research at UWA, Europe etc)

Is airplane noise an environmental hazard? If so, then the DC form requires disclosure.

"Does the seller have actual knowledge of any substances, materials or environmental hazards (including but not limited to asbestos, radon gas, lead based paint, underground storage tanks, formaldehyde, contaminated soil, or other contamination) on or affecting the property?"


If the noise is bad, that seems like an environmental hazard to me. If you spent millions on your house, and feel swindled, seems like consulting with a lawyer could be money well spent.

You’d think the market will have spoken. But it hasn’t yet. It will.
I think the issue has been the generally awful and old housing stock in DC. Watching real estate shows from LA is just like what?!

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Anonymous wrote:Disclose? It's publicly available info! That's like suing for failing to disclose that 495 is 400 yards away and there is highway noise.

Hilarious.

Haha, this is wrong. If you think that flight paths are the same as highways from a disclosure perspective, that's wrong. If I were on a jury, I would totally sympathize with a buyer who had no clue about plane noise that only happened at 5:30 am, but I would not sympathize with a buyer who complained about a nearby highway.

It doesn’t only happen at 5:30. DCA is a major airport and planes come and go from one main runway for at least 18 hours a day.

Have you ever been to DC?

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Anonymous wrote:Disclose? It's publicly available info! That's like suing for failing to disclose that 495 is 400 yards away and there is highway noise.

Hilarious.

Haha, this is wrong. If you think that flight paths are the same as highways from a disclosure perspective, that's wrong. If I were on a jury, I would totally sympathize with a buyer who had no clue about plane noise that only happened at 5:30 am, but I would not sympathize with a buyer who complained about a nearby highway.

Airports shut down after 5:30 am? I missed that.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Disclose? It's publicly available info! That's like suing for failing to disclose that 495 is 400 yards away and there is highway noise.

Hilarious.

Haha, this is wrong. If you think that flight paths are the same as highways from a disclosure perspective, that's wrong. If I were on a jury, I would totally sympathize with a buyer who had no clue about plane noise that only happened at 5:30 am, but I would not sympathize with a buyer who complained about a nearby highway.

This sort of thing goes to juries??!!