Anonymous wrote:NIMBY stuff always works for NIMBYs. It doesn’t work for developers who want to build more crap housing

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Anonymous wrote:Hearst Park Pool. Originally, it was going to be huge and built on the grass playing field. The field itself was going to be converted to artificial grass. That angered dog owners who use the park to exercise their dogs. It also angered others who protested that artificial grass is a heat sink and that Hearst is an increasingly rare natural urban oasis. There was also debate about removing the large trees that ring the park.

A compromise was worked out. A smaller version of the pool was built on an existing tennis court. The field is grass, but dogs are banned. (most dog owners seem to be respecting the ban. At least that's what I have noticed.) Construction was completed by removing a single ailing tree.

Demand for the pool last weekend was overwhelming. People were waiting in line for over an hour to get in. That proved that neighbors were right to be concerned about being crowded out of parking on their own streets. It also showed that there needs to be more outdoor pools in DC.

In the end, I think, NIMBY or YIMBY. A workable compromise was worked out.

The fact that people try to label public participation in policy decision making processes a performative term and insinuate that it’s bad is what bothers me. If people don’t like how decisions are made, get engaged yourselves. There is not some conspiracy afoot.

People with money getting engaged and filing lawsuits over environmental impacts is exactly how NIMBYism works in the US. It's why any kind of large scale construction is so much more expensive here than anywhere else in the world (including countries that pay their workers far more than we do)

I think you have an exaggerated sense of what’s going on and have developed a wild conspiracy that’s just not reflected in facts. Have you ever been to an ANC meeting? Every gone to your councilmember’s townhall? Showing up is like 90% of life. There is not some cabal of evil rich people out to get you.

Sure, and if you don't like the result, you head to court and file a lawsuit over environmental impacts. That's how NIMBYs actually operate. If you think otherwise, just look at the purple line. The NIMBYs lost, but a simple line a track will cost billons instead of millions thanks to their efforts

Since court records are public, what are some recent court cases in DC that you think reflect this “NIMBYism” that you describe?

Berkeley Student housing is the biggest. The purple line delays and cost overruns are a local example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/purple-line-route-changed-to-spare-part-of-columbia-country-club-golf-course/2013/09/25/91cf55e4-252d-11e3-b75d-5b7f66349852_story.html

None of your examples are in DC and both were unsuccessful.

Berkley was successful https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/us/uc-berkeley-admissions-enrollment.html and the purple line avoids Columbia CC (it's also approaching $10 billion in construction costs largely because of lawsuit induced delays which should make the next planner think twice before routing a project though somewhere so affluent). If you want an example of successful NIMBYism in DC, just look at the locations of the city's public housing developments

Do you have any examples from the District of Columbia?

So if I understand correctly, you are not involved in public participation processes in your community but you think there is a cabal of rich people who secretly control everything, even to the extent of using the courts to exact their power but you also cannot name any court cases? Got it!

On the other hand, it would actually be a lot easier to believe that we have a government that is responsive to its citizens, which is a good thing. And public participation processes that are neutral and can be used to further any policy so long as participants are able to engage and demonstrate broad support.

There is a strong record that where people do get involved in their communities they can achieve any objective. This includes, for example, recent successes around protected bike lanes in the city. Those were all the result of just ordinary people just showing up. I would presume that you support the outcomes of that public participation?

Again, there is no conspiracy. It doesn’t exist. The world you want is achievable if you just show up consistently and convince other likeminded people to do the same. Go for it!

I named two developments recently where court cases either stopped or altered development. You're the moron using terms like cabals and conspiracies. In DC, it doesn't come down to court cases (usually) because the city never locates undesirable developments in areas where residents can afford to fight. Usually it's just neighborhood associations or a couple of people with the means to hire lawyers. If you really think that this doesn't exist, here's a decent article describing it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/local-government-community-input-housing-public-transportation/629625/

Honestly I have clue what your point is. Neither “case” was in DC and both failed.

You have the opportunity to make change. Stop whining, get off the internet and go do it. Unless you’re too lazy or you think it’s too hard work? Lucky for the world, we don’t need to rely on you and there are a lot of people putting themselves out there to make change.

Neither failed. Berkley lost at the California supreme court and the purple line was rerouted around Columbia. This thread asked if NIMBY policies ever worked, those are two.

1. You have just defined failure. They “lost”

2. You don’t know what you are talking about re: the Purple Line. The NEPA litigation failed and it was decidedly not re-routed around the country club.

I am going to be dead honest with you. If you are a kid or an adult with limited function, I would totally understand. If you are an adult with no excuse for being this dumb, I just don’t know what to say.

Again, there is no evil NIMBY conspiracy blocking things you like. There is only public participation and community organizing. If you actually believed in what you claim you wouldn’t be here but out there making change.

You are just wrong

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/03/07/california-supreme-court-rejects-appeal-berkeley

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/purple-line-route-changed-to-spare-part-of-columbia-country-club-golf-course/2013/09/25/91cf55e4-252d-11e3-b75d-5b7f66349852_story.html

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Anonymous wrote:Hearst Park Pool. Originally, it was going to be huge and built on the grass playing field. The field itself was going to be converted to artificial grass. That angered dog owners who use the park to exercise their dogs. It also angered others who protested that artificial grass is a heat sink and that Hearst is an increasingly rare natural urban oasis. There was also debate about removing the large trees that ring the park.

A compromise was worked out. A smaller version of the pool was built on an existing tennis court. The field is grass, but dogs are banned. (most dog owners seem to be respecting the ban. At least that's what I have noticed.) Construction was completed by removing a single ailing tree.

Demand for the pool last weekend was overwhelming. People were waiting in line for over an hour to get in. That proved that neighbors were right to be concerned about being crowded out of parking on their own streets. It also showed that there needs to be more outdoor pools in DC.

In the end, I think, NIMBY or YIMBY. A workable compromise was worked out.

The fact that people try to label public participation in policy decision making processes a performative term and insinuate that it’s bad is what bothers me. If people don’t like how decisions are made, get engaged yourselves. There is not some conspiracy afoot.

People with money getting engaged and filing lawsuits over environmental impacts is exactly how NIMBYism works in the US. It's why any kind of large scale construction is so much more expensive here than anywhere else in the world (including countries that pay their workers far more than we do)

I think you have an exaggerated sense of what’s going on and have developed a wild conspiracy that’s just not reflected in facts. Have you ever been to an ANC meeting? Every gone to your councilmember’s townhall? Showing up is like 90% of life. There is not some cabal of evil rich people out to get you.

Sure, and if you don't like the result, you head to court and file a lawsuit over environmental impacts. That's how NIMBYs actually operate. If you think otherwise, just look at the purple line. The NIMBYs lost, but a simple line a track will cost billons instead of millions thanks to their efforts

Since court records are public, what are some recent court cases in DC that you think reflect this “NIMBYism” that you describe?

Berkeley Student housing is the biggest. The purple line delays and cost overruns are a local example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/purple-line-route-changed-to-spare-part-of-columbia-country-club-golf-course/2013/09/25/91cf55e4-252d-11e3-b75d-5b7f66349852_story.html

None of your examples are in DC and both were unsuccessful.

Berkley was successful https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/us/uc-berkeley-admissions-enrollment.html and the purple line avoids Columbia CC (it's also approaching $10 billion in construction costs largely because of lawsuit induced delays which should make the next planner think twice before routing a project though somewhere so affluent). If you want an example of successful NIMBYism in DC, just look at the locations of the city's public housing developments

Do you have any examples from the District of Columbia?

So if I understand correctly, you are not involved in public participation processes in your community but you think there is a cabal of rich people who secretly control everything, even to the extent of using the courts to exact their power but you also cannot name any court cases? Got it!

On the other hand, it would actually be a lot easier to believe that we have a government that is responsive to its citizens, which is a good thing. And public participation processes that are neutral and can be used to further any policy so long as participants are able to engage and demonstrate broad support.

There is a strong record that where people do get involved in their communities they can achieve any objective. This includes, for example, recent successes around protected bike lanes in the city. Those were all the result of just ordinary people just showing up. I would presume that you support the outcomes of that public participation?

Again, there is no conspiracy. It doesn’t exist. The world you want is achievable if you just show up consistently and convince other likeminded people to do the same. Go for it!

I named two developments recently where court cases either stopped or altered development. You're the moron using terms like cabals and conspiracies. In DC, it doesn't come down to court cases (usually) because the city never locates undesirable developments in areas where residents can afford to fight. Usually it's just neighborhood associations or a couple of people with the means to hire lawyers. If you really think that this doesn't exist, here's a decent article describing it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/local-government-community-input-housing-public-transportation/629625/

Honestly I have clue what your point is. Neither “case” was in DC and both failed.

You have the opportunity to make change. Stop whining, get off the internet and go do it. Unless you’re too lazy or you think it’s too hard work? Lucky for the world, we don’t need to rely on you and there are a lot of people putting themselves out there to make change.

Neither failed. Berkley lost at the California supreme court and the purple line was rerouted around Columbia. This thread asked if NIMBY policies ever worked, those are two.

1. You have just defined failure. They “lost”

2. You don’t know what you are talking about re: the Purple Line. The NEPA litigation failed and it was decidedly not re-routed around the country club.

I am going to be dead honest with you. If you are a kid or an adult with limited function, I would totally understand. If you are an adult with no excuse for being this dumb, I just don’t know what to say.

Again, there is no evil NIMBY conspiracy blocking things you like. There is only public participation and community organizing. If you actually believed in what you claim you wouldn’t be here but out there making change.

Anonymous wrote:Rent control, which isn't intended to be a NIMBY policy but has the same effects as NIMBY policies, keeps rental costs down.

https://www.vox.com/22789296/housing-crisis-rent-relief-control-supply

If you ever want to see a GGWash blogger get extremely confused, ask them why they support rent control when it goes against everything the YIMBY movement stands for.

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Anonymous wrote:Hearst Park Pool. Originally, it was going to be huge and built on the grass playing field. The field itself was going to be converted to artificial grass. That angered dog owners who use the park to exercise their dogs. It also angered others who protested that artificial grass is a heat sink and that Hearst is an increasingly rare natural urban oasis. There was also debate about removing the large trees that ring the park.

A compromise was worked out. A smaller version of the pool was built on an existing tennis court. The field is grass, but dogs are banned. (most dog owners seem to be respecting the ban. At least that's what I have noticed.) Construction was completed by removing a single ailing tree.

Demand for the pool last weekend was overwhelming. People were waiting in line for over an hour to get in. That proved that neighbors were right to be concerned about being crowded out of parking on their own streets. It also showed that there needs to be more outdoor pools in DC.

In the end, I think, NIMBY or YIMBY. A workable compromise was worked out.

The fact that people try to label public participation in policy decision making processes a performative term and insinuate that it’s bad is what bothers me. If people don’t like how decisions are made, get engaged yourselves. There is not some conspiracy afoot.

People with money getting engaged and filing lawsuits over environmental impacts is exactly how NIMBYism works in the US. It's why any kind of large scale construction is so much more expensive here than anywhere else in the world (including countries that pay their workers far more than we do)

I think you have an exaggerated sense of what’s going on and have developed a wild conspiracy that’s just not reflected in facts. Have you ever been to an ANC meeting? Every gone to your councilmember’s townhall? Showing up is like 90% of life. There is not some cabal of evil rich people out to get you.

Sure, and if you don't like the result, you head to court and file a lawsuit over environmental impacts. That's how NIMBYs actually operate. If you think otherwise, just look at the purple line. The NIMBYs lost, but a simple line a track will cost billons instead of millions thanks to their efforts

Since court records are public, what are some recent court cases in DC that you think reflect this “NIMBYism” that you describe?

Berkeley Student housing is the biggest. The purple line delays and cost overruns are a local example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/purple-line-route-changed-to-spare-part-of-columbia-country-club-golf-course/2013/09/25/91cf55e4-252d-11e3-b75d-5b7f66349852_story.html

None of your examples are in DC and both were unsuccessful.

Berkley was successful https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/us/uc-berkeley-admissions-enrollment.html and the purple line avoids Columbia CC (it's also approaching $10 billion in construction costs largely because of lawsuit induced delays which should make the next planner think twice before routing a project though somewhere so affluent). If you want an example of successful NIMBYism in DC, just look at the locations of the city's public housing developments

Do you have any examples from the District of Columbia?

So if I understand correctly, you are not involved in public participation processes in your community but you think there is a cabal of rich people who secretly control everything, even to the extent of using the courts to exact their power but you also cannot name any court cases? Got it!

On the other hand, it would actually be a lot easier to believe that we have a government that is responsive to its citizens, which is a good thing. And public participation processes that are neutral and can be used to further any policy so long as participants are able to engage and demonstrate broad support.

There is a strong record that where people do get involved in their communities they can achieve any objective. This includes, for example, recent successes around protected bike lanes in the city. Those were all the result of just ordinary people just showing up. I would presume that you support the outcomes of that public participation?

Again, there is no conspiracy. It doesn’t exist. The world you want is achievable if you just show up consistently and convince other likeminded people to do the same. Go for it!

I named two developments recently where court cases either stopped or altered development. You're the moron using terms like cabals and conspiracies. In DC, it doesn't come down to court cases (usually) because the city never locates undesirable developments in areas where residents can afford to fight. Usually it's just neighborhood associations or a couple of people with the means to hire lawyers. If you really think that this doesn't exist, here's a decent article describing it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/local-government-community-input-housing-public-transportation/629625/

Honestly I have clue what your point is. Neither “case” was in DC and both failed.

You have the opportunity to make change. Stop whining, get off the internet and go do it. Unless you’re too lazy or you think it’s too hard work? Lucky for the world, we don’t need to rely on you and there are a lot of people putting themselves out there to make change.

Neither failed. Berkley lost at the California supreme court and the purple line was rerouted around Columbia. This thread asked if NIMBY policies ever worked, those are two.

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Anonymous wrote:Hearst Park Pool. Originally, it was going to be huge and built on the grass playing field. The field itself was going to be converted to artificial grass. That angered dog owners who use the park to exercise their dogs. It also angered others who protested that artificial grass is a heat sink and that Hearst is an increasingly rare natural urban oasis. There was also debate about removing the large trees that ring the park.

A compromise was worked out. A smaller version of the pool was built on an existing tennis court. The field is grass, but dogs are banned. (most dog owners seem to be respecting the ban. At least that's what I have noticed.) Construction was completed by removing a single ailing tree.

Demand for the pool last weekend was overwhelming. People were waiting in line for over an hour to get in. That proved that neighbors were right to be concerned about being crowded out of parking on their own streets. It also showed that there needs to be more outdoor pools in DC.

In the end, I think, NIMBY or YIMBY. A workable compromise was worked out.

The fact that people try to label public participation in policy decision making processes a performative term and insinuate that it’s bad is what bothers me. If people don’t like how decisions are made, get engaged yourselves. There is not some conspiracy afoot.

People with money getting engaged and filing lawsuits over environmental impacts is exactly how NIMBYism works in the US. It's why any kind of large scale construction is so much more expensive here than anywhere else in the world (including countries that pay their workers far more than we do)

I think you have an exaggerated sense of what’s going on and have developed a wild conspiracy that’s just not reflected in facts. Have you ever been to an ANC meeting? Every gone to your councilmember’s townhall? Showing up is like 90% of life. There is not some cabal of evil rich people out to get you.

Sure, and if you don't like the result, you head to court and file a lawsuit over environmental impacts. That's how NIMBYs actually operate. If you think otherwise, just look at the purple line. The NIMBYs lost, but a simple line a track will cost billons instead of millions thanks to their efforts

Since court records are public, what are some recent court cases in DC that you think reflect this “NIMBYism” that you describe?

Berkeley Student housing is the biggest. The purple line delays and cost overruns are a local example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/purple-line-route-changed-to-spare-part-of-columbia-country-club-golf-course/2013/09/25/91cf55e4-252d-11e3-b75d-5b7f66349852_story.html

None of your examples are in DC and both were unsuccessful.

Berkley was successful https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/us/uc-berkeley-admissions-enrollment.html and the purple line avoids Columbia CC (it's also approaching $10 billion in construction costs largely because of lawsuit induced delays which should make the next planner think twice before routing a project though somewhere so affluent). If you want an example of successful NIMBYism in DC, just look at the locations of the city's public housing developments

Do you have any examples from the District of Columbia?

So if I understand correctly, you are not involved in public participation processes in your community but you think there is a cabal of rich people who secretly control everything, even to the extent of using the courts to exact their power but you also cannot name any court cases? Got it!

On the other hand, it would actually be a lot easier to believe that we have a government that is responsive to its citizens, which is a good thing. And public participation processes that are neutral and can be used to further any policy so long as participants are able to engage and demonstrate broad support.

There is a strong record that where people do get involved in their communities they can achieve any objective. This includes, for example, recent successes around protected bike lanes in the city. Those were all the result of just ordinary people just showing up. I would presume that you support the outcomes of that public participation?

Again, there is no conspiracy. It doesn’t exist. The world you want is achievable if you just show up consistently and convince other likeminded people to do the same. Go for it!

I named two developments recently where court cases either stopped or altered development. You're the moron using terms like cabals and conspiracies. In DC, it doesn't come down to court cases (usually) because the city never locates undesirable developments in areas where residents can afford to fight. Usually it's just neighborhood associations or a couple of people with the means to hire lawyers. If you really think that this doesn't exist, here's a decent article describing it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/local-government-community-input-housing-public-transportation/629625/

Honestly I have clue what your point is. Neither “case” was in DC and both failed.

You have the opportunity to make change. Stop whining, get off the internet and go do it. Unless you’re too lazy or you think it’s too hard work? Lucky for the world, we don’t need to rely on you and there are a lot of people putting themselves out there to make change.

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Anonymous wrote:Hearst Park Pool. Originally, it was going to be huge and built on the grass playing field. The field itself was going to be converted to artificial grass. That angered dog owners who use the park to exercise their dogs. It also angered others who protested that artificial grass is a heat sink and that Hearst is an increasingly rare natural urban oasis. There was also debate about removing the large trees that ring the park.

A compromise was worked out. A smaller version of the pool was built on an existing tennis court. The field is grass, but dogs are banned. (most dog owners seem to be respecting the ban. At least that's what I have noticed.) Construction was completed by removing a single ailing tree.

Demand for the pool last weekend was overwhelming. People were waiting in line for over an hour to get in. That proved that neighbors were right to be concerned about being crowded out of parking on their own streets. It also showed that there needs to be more outdoor pools in DC.

In the end, I think, NIMBY or YIMBY. A workable compromise was worked out.

The fact that people try to label public participation in policy decision making processes a performative term and insinuate that it’s bad is what bothers me. If people don’t like how decisions are made, get engaged yourselves. There is not some conspiracy afoot.

People with money getting engaged and filing lawsuits over environmental impacts is exactly how NIMBYism works in the US. It's why any kind of large scale construction is so much more expensive here than anywhere else in the world (including countries that pay their workers far more than we do)

I think you have an exaggerated sense of what’s going on and have developed a wild conspiracy that’s just not reflected in facts. Have you ever been to an ANC meeting? Every gone to your councilmember’s townhall? Showing up is like 90% of life. There is not some cabal of evil rich people out to get you.

Sure, and if you don't like the result, you head to court and file a lawsuit over environmental impacts. That's how NIMBYs actually operate. If you think otherwise, just look at the purple line. The NIMBYs lost, but a simple line a track will cost billons instead of millions thanks to their efforts

Since court records are public, what are some recent court cases in DC that you think reflect this “NIMBYism” that you describe?

Berkeley Student housing is the biggest. The purple line delays and cost overruns are a local example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/purple-line-route-changed-to-spare-part-of-columbia-country-club-golf-course/2013/09/25/91cf55e4-252d-11e3-b75d-5b7f66349852_story.html

None of your examples are in DC and both were unsuccessful.

Berkley was successful https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/us/uc-berkeley-admissions-enrollment.html and the purple line avoids Columbia CC (it's also approaching $10 billion in construction costs largely because of lawsuit induced delays which should make the next planner think twice before routing a project though somewhere so affluent). If you want an example of successful NIMBYism in DC, just look at the locations of the city's public housing developments

Do you have any examples from the District of Columbia?

So if I understand correctly, you are not involved in public participation processes in your community but you think there is a cabal of rich people who secretly control everything, even to the extent of using the courts to exact their power but you also cannot name any court cases? Got it!

On the other hand, it would actually be a lot easier to believe that we have a government that is responsive to its citizens, which is a good thing. And public participation processes that are neutral and can be used to further any policy so long as participants are able to engage and demonstrate broad support.

There is a strong record that where people do get involved in their communities they can achieve any objective. This includes, for example, recent successes around protected bike lanes in the city. Those were all the result of just ordinary people just showing up. I would presume that you support the outcomes of that public participation?

Again, there is no conspiracy. It doesn’t exist. The world you want is achievable if you just show up consistently and convince other likeminded people to do the same. Go for it!

I named two developments recently where court cases either stopped or altered development. You're the moron using terms like cabals and conspiracies. In DC, it doesn't come down to court cases (usually) because the city never locates undesirable developments in areas where residents can afford to fight. Usually it's just neighborhood associations or a couple of people with the means to hire lawyers. If you really think that this doesn't exist, here's a decent article describing it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/local-government-community-input-housing-public-transportation/629625/

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Anonymous wrote:Hearst Park Pool. Originally, it was going to be huge and built on the grass playing field. The field itself was going to be converted to artificial grass. That angered dog owners who use the park to exercise their dogs. It also angered others who protested that artificial grass is a heat sink and that Hearst is an increasingly rare natural urban oasis. There was also debate about removing the large trees that ring the park.

A compromise was worked out. A smaller version of the pool was built on an existing tennis court. The field is grass, but dogs are banned. (most dog owners seem to be respecting the ban. At least that's what I have noticed.) Construction was completed by removing a single ailing tree.

Demand for the pool last weekend was overwhelming. People were waiting in line for over an hour to get in. That proved that neighbors were right to be concerned about being crowded out of parking on their own streets. It also showed that there needs to be more outdoor pools in DC.

In the end, I think, NIMBY or YIMBY. A workable compromise was worked out.

The fact that people try to label public participation in policy decision making processes a performative term and insinuate that it’s bad is what bothers me. If people don’t like how decisions are made, get engaged yourselves. There is not some conspiracy afoot.

People with money getting engaged and filing lawsuits over environmental impacts is exactly how NIMBYism works in the US. It's why any kind of large scale construction is so much more expensive here than anywhere else in the world (including countries that pay their workers far more than we do)

I think you have an exaggerated sense of what’s going on and have developed a wild conspiracy that’s just not reflected in facts. Have you ever been to an ANC meeting? Every gone to your councilmember’s townhall? Showing up is like 90% of life. There is not some cabal of evil rich people out to get you.

Sure, and if you don't like the result, you head to court and file a lawsuit over environmental impacts. That's how NIMBYs actually operate. If you think otherwise, just look at the purple line. The NIMBYs lost, but a simple line a track will cost billons instead of millions thanks to their efforts

Since court records are public, what are some recent court cases in DC that you think reflect this “NIMBYism” that you describe?

Berkeley Student housing is the biggest. The purple line delays and cost overruns are a local example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/purple-line-route-changed-to-spare-part-of-columbia-country-club-golf-course/2013/09/25/91cf55e4-252d-11e3-b75d-5b7f66349852_story.html

None of your examples are in DC and both were unsuccessful.

Berkley was successful https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/us/uc-berkeley-admissions-enrollment.html and the purple line avoids Columbia CC (it's also approaching $10 billion in construction costs largely because of lawsuit induced delays which should make the next planner think twice before routing a project though somewhere so affluent). If you want an example of successful NIMBYism in DC, just look at the locations of the city's public housing developments

Do you have any examples from the District of Columbia?

So if I understand correctly, you are not involved in public participation processes in your community but you think there is a cabal of rich people who secretly control everything, even to the extent of using the courts to exact their power but you also cannot name any court cases? Got it!

On the other hand, it would actually be a lot easier to believe that we have a government that is responsive to its citizens, which is a good thing. And public participation processes that are neutral and can be used to further any policy so long as participants are able to engage and demonstrate broad support.

There is a strong record that where people do get involved in their communities they can achieve any objective. This includes, for example, recent successes around protected bike lanes in the city. Those were all the result of just ordinary people just showing up. I would presume that you support the outcomes of that public participation?

Again, there is no conspiracy. It doesn’t exist. The world you want is achievable if you just show up consistently and convince other likeminded people to do the same. Go for it!

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Anonymous wrote:Hearst Park Pool. Originally, it was going to be huge and built on the grass playing field. The field itself was going to be converted to artificial grass. That angered dog owners who use the park to exercise their dogs. It also angered others who protested that artificial grass is a heat sink and that Hearst is an increasingly rare natural urban oasis. There was also debate about removing the large trees that ring the park.

A compromise was worked out. A smaller version of the pool was built on an existing tennis court. The field is grass, but dogs are banned. (most dog owners seem to be respecting the ban. At least that's what I have noticed.) Construction was completed by removing a single ailing tree.

Demand for the pool last weekend was overwhelming. People were waiting in line for over an hour to get in. That proved that neighbors were right to be concerned about being crowded out of parking on their own streets. It also showed that there needs to be more outdoor pools in DC.

In the end, I think, NIMBY or YIMBY. A workable compromise was worked out.

The fact that people try to label public participation in policy decision making processes a performative term and insinuate that it’s bad is what bothers me. If people don’t like how decisions are made, get engaged yourselves. There is not some conspiracy afoot.

People with money getting engaged and filing lawsuits over environmental impacts is exactly how NIMBYism works in the US. It's why any kind of large scale construction is so much more expensive here than anywhere else in the world (including countries that pay their workers far more than we do)

I think you have an exaggerated sense of what’s going on and have developed a wild conspiracy that’s just not reflected in facts. Have you ever been to an ANC meeting? Every gone to your councilmember’s townhall? Showing up is like 90% of life. There is not some cabal of evil rich people out to get you.

Sure, and if you don't like the result, you head to court and file a lawsuit over environmental impacts. That's how NIMBYs actually operate. If you think otherwise, just look at the purple line. The NIMBYs lost, but a simple line a track will cost billons instead of millions thanks to their efforts

Since court records are public, what are some recent court cases in DC that you think reflect this “NIMBYism” that you describe?

Berkeley Student housing is the biggest. The purple line delays and cost overruns are a local example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/purple-line-route-changed-to-spare-part-of-columbia-country-club-golf-course/2013/09/25/91cf55e4-252d-11e3-b75d-5b7f66349852_story.html

None of your examples are in DC and both were unsuccessful.

Berkley was successful https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/us/uc-berkeley-admissions-enrollment.html and the purple line avoids Columbia CC (it's also approaching $10 billion in construction costs largely because of lawsuit induced delays which should make the next planner think twice before routing a project though somewhere so affluent). If you want an example of successful NIMBYism in DC, just look at the locations of the city's public housing developments

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Anonymous wrote:Hearst Park Pool. Originally, it was going to be huge and built on the grass playing field. The field itself was going to be converted to artificial grass. That angered dog owners who use the park to exercise their dogs. It also angered others who protested that artificial grass is a heat sink and that Hearst is an increasingly rare natural urban oasis. There was also debate about removing the large trees that ring the park.

A compromise was worked out. A smaller version of the pool was built on an existing tennis court. The field is grass, but dogs are banned. (most dog owners seem to be respecting the ban. At least that's what I have noticed.) Construction was completed by removing a single ailing tree.

Demand for the pool last weekend was overwhelming. People were waiting in line for over an hour to get in. That proved that neighbors were right to be concerned about being crowded out of parking on their own streets. It also showed that there needs to be more outdoor pools in DC.

In the end, I think, NIMBY or YIMBY. A workable compromise was worked out.

The fact that people try to label public participation in policy decision making processes a performative term and insinuate that it’s bad is what bothers me. If people don’t like how decisions are made, get engaged yourselves. There is not some conspiracy afoot.

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Anonymous wrote:Hearst Park Pool. Originally, it was going to be huge and built on the grass playing field. The field itself was going to be converted to artificial grass. That angered dog owners who use the park to exercise their dogs. It also angered others who protested that artificial grass is a heat sink and that Hearst is an increasingly rare natural urban oasis. There was also debate about removing the large trees that ring the park.

A compromise was worked out. A smaller version of the pool was built on an existing tennis court. The field is grass, but dogs are banned. (most dog owners seem to be respecting the ban. At least that's what I have noticed.) Construction was completed by removing a single ailing tree.

Demand for the pool last weekend was overwhelming. People were waiting in line for over an hour to get in. That proved that neighbors were right to be concerned about being crowded out of parking on their own streets. It also showed that there needs to be more outdoor pools in DC.

In the end, I think, NIMBY or YIMBY. A workable compromise was worked out.

The fact that people try to label public participation in policy decision making processes a performative term and insinuate that it’s bad is what bothers me. If people don’t like how decisions are made, get engaged yourselves. There is not some conspiracy afoot.

People with money getting engaged and filing lawsuits over environmental impacts is exactly how NIMBYism works in the US. It's why any kind of large scale construction is so much more expensive here than anywhere else in the world (including countries that pay their workers far more than we do)

I think you have an exaggerated sense of what’s going on and have developed a wild conspiracy that’s just not reflected in facts. Have you ever been to an ANC meeting? Every gone to your councilmember’s townhall? Showing up is like 90% of life. There is not some cabal of evil rich people out to get you.

Sure, and if you don't like the result, you head to court and file a lawsuit over environmental impacts. That's how NIMBYs actually operate. If you think otherwise, just look at the purple line. The NIMBYs lost, but a simple line a track will cost billons instead of millions thanks to their efforts

Since court records are public, what are some recent court cases in DC that you think reflect this “NIMBYism” that you describe?

Berkeley Student housing is the biggest. The purple line delays and cost overruns are a local example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/purple-line-route-changed-to-spare-part-of-columbia-country-club-golf-course/2013/09/25/91cf55e4-252d-11e3-b75d-5b7f66349852_story.html

None of your examples are in DC and both were unsuccessful.

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Anonymous wrote:Hearst Park Pool. Originally, it was going to be huge and built on the grass playing field. The field itself was going to be converted to artificial grass. That angered dog owners who use the park to exercise their dogs. It also angered others who protested that artificial grass is a heat sink and that Hearst is an increasingly rare natural urban oasis. There was also debate about removing the large trees that ring the park.

A compromise was worked out. A smaller version of the pool was built on an existing tennis court. The field is grass, but dogs are banned. (most dog owners seem to be respecting the ban. At least that's what I have noticed.) Construction was completed by removing a single ailing tree.

Demand for the pool last weekend was overwhelming. People were waiting in line for over an hour to get in. That proved that neighbors were right to be concerned about being crowded out of parking on their own streets. It also showed that there needs to be more outdoor pools in DC.

In the end, I think, NIMBY or YIMBY. A workable compromise was worked out.

The fact that people try to label public participation in policy decision making processes a performative term and insinuate that it’s bad is what bothers me. If people don’t like how decisions are made, get engaged yourselves. There is not some conspiracy afoot.

People with money getting engaged and filing lawsuits over environmental impacts is exactly how NIMBYism works in the US. It's why any kind of large scale construction is so much more expensive here than anywhere else in the world (including countries that pay their workers far more than we do)

I think you have an exaggerated sense of what’s going on and have developed a wild conspiracy that’s just not reflected in facts. Have you ever been to an ANC meeting? Every gone to your councilmember’s townhall? Showing up is like 90% of life. There is not some cabal of evil rich people out to get you.

Sure, and if you don't like the result, you head to court and file a lawsuit over environmental impacts. That's how NIMBYs actually operate. If you think otherwise, just look at the purple line. The NIMBYs lost, but a simple line a track will cost billons instead of millions thanks to their efforts

Since court records are public, what are some recent court cases in DC that you think reflect this “NIMBYism” that you describe?

Berkeley Student housing is the biggest. The purple line delays and cost overruns are a local example.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/purple-line-route-changed-to-spare-part-of-columbia-country-club-golf-course/2013/09/25/91cf55e4-252d-11e3-b75d-5b7f66349852_story.html

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Anonymous wrote:Hearst Park Pool. Originally, it was going to be huge and built on the grass playing field. The field itself was going to be converted to artificial grass. That angered dog owners who use the park to exercise their dogs. It also angered others who protested that artificial grass is a heat sink and that Hearst is an increasingly rare natural urban oasis. There was also debate about removing the large trees that ring the park.

A compromise was worked out. A smaller version of the pool was built on an existing tennis court. The field is grass, but dogs are banned. (most dog owners seem to be respecting the ban. At least that's what I have noticed.) Construction was completed by removing a single ailing tree.

Demand for the pool last weekend was overwhelming. People were waiting in line for over an hour to get in. That proved that neighbors were right to be concerned about being crowded out of parking on their own streets. It also showed that there needs to be more outdoor pools in DC.

In the end, I think, NIMBY or YIMBY. A workable compromise was worked out.

The fact that people try to label public participation in policy decision making processes a performative term and insinuate that it’s bad is what bothers me. If people don’t like how decisions are made, get engaged yourselves. There is not some conspiracy afoot.

People with money getting engaged and filing lawsuits over environmental impacts is exactly how NIMBYism works in the US. It's why any kind of large scale construction is so much more expensive here than anywhere else in the world (including countries that pay their workers far more than we do)

I think you have an exaggerated sense of what’s going on and have developed a wild conspiracy that’s just not reflected in facts. Have you ever been to an ANC meeting? Every gone to your councilmember’s townhall? Showing up is like 90% of life. There is not some cabal of evil rich people out to get you.

Sure, and if you don't like the result, you head to court and file a lawsuit over environmental impacts. That's how NIMBYs actually operate. If you think otherwise, just look at the purple line. The NIMBYs lost, but a simple line a track will cost billons instead of millions thanks to their efforts

Since court records are public, what are some recent court cases in DC that you think reflect this “NIMBYism” that you describe?