Anonymous
07/27/2022 15:08
Subject: ECs for UVA or VT admission
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VT is more pure numbers driven than UVA.
No, the current President is highly driven to make the school URM and first generation.google it.
We know - you keep repeating this. However, at least from our high school, these are not the kids who got in. They are among the top in their class, both academically and EC-wise, and none are first generation.
DP. No one single person is repeating anything. Timothy Sands's positions are well known. And many in the Commonwealth, administrators, legislators and parents feel that the ONLY polytech public University in the Commonwealth should be training the best and the brightest, not messing with social engineering or URMs and first generations. This is established news.
NP, does make you wonder if engineering schools at Mason, VCU and ODU are benefitting as result.
Anonymous
07/27/2022 14:55
Subject: ECs for UVA or VT admission
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VT is more pure numbers driven than UVA.
No, the current President is highly driven to make the school URM and first generation.google it.
We know - you keep repeating this. However, at least from our high school, these are not the kids who got in. They are among the top in their class, both academically and EC-wise, and none are first generation.
DP. No one single person is repeating anything. Timothy Sands's positions are well known. And many in the Commonwealth, administrators, legislators and parents feel that the ONLY polytech public University in the Commonwealth should be training the best and the brightest, not messing with social engineering or URMs and first generations. This is established news.
Anonymous
07/27/2022 14:44
Subject: ECs for UVA or VT admission
Anonymous wrote:DS, 4.5/1560, UMC, FCPS class of 2023, and potential CS major, was so turned off by the admission games played by Tech the past couple of years he is not even bothering to apply. Appears if it's not your first choice (ED), don't apply.
For CS majors, perhaps. Certainly not all schools and majors within VT.
Anonymous
07/27/2022 13:58
Subject: ECs for UVA or VT admission
DS, 4.5/1560, UMC, FCPS class of 2023, and potential CS major, was so turned off by the admission games played by Tech the past couple of years he is not even bothering to apply. Appears if it's not your first choice (ED), don't apply.
Anonymous
07/27/2022 13:02
Subject: Re:ECs for UVA or VT admission
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Again - the kids from our school who got in are not URM or first generation. I'm sure there are kids at other schools who are who also had the stats to get in, but none from our school. You don't know who actually got in and why. Please stop pretending you do.
According to College Factual, Va Tech is 64.5% White and 10.3% Asian. Its is 6.9% Hispanic and the number of black students is less than 5% (it's so small, there's no % reported). So once again, the numbers don't support the racist lie that only URM kids are getting admitted. If you doubt the numbers, get a cup of coffee at the cafeteria and confirm them yourself.
VT is emphasizing increasing enrollment of Black and Hispanic students BECAUSE they are such a ridiculously low % of the student population. I worked with a Black, 1st Gen student last year who was admitted to the business school who benefited from this because he got in with lower stats than the average (but still good). However, we discovered one reason VT is not getting a lot of 1st gen students is because, despite the boost in admissions, they give crap financial aid. So he's going to CC. If they really want to hit their goal of 40% URM/1st Gen they need a much bigger financial aid budget, not just giving those students an advantage in admissions.
Plenty of not URM/1st Gen kids also get admitted and are more likely to actually enroll.
As a data point only, VT's interactive admissions data site (link below) shows that in the College of Engineering, 26.1& of white, male in-state applicants were accepted, versus 41.5% of URM, male in-state applicants. In the College of Business, 31% of white, male in-state applicants were accepted, versus 54.7% of URM, male in-state applicants. And in the College of Liberal Arts & Sciences, 36.3% of white, male in-state applicants were accepted, versus 51.4% of URM, male in-state applicants.
https://udc.vt.edu/irdata/data/students/admission/index#college
Anonymous
07/27/2022 12:18
Subject: ECs for UVA or VT admission
Three of my DCs accepted to UVA in the last 5 years, including for admission next month. Two of them also admitted to VT Engineering, including for admission next month (3rd did not apply to VT). ECs included marching band, multiple HS and travel sports including team captain, various HS clubs for multiple years including leadership positions; part time jobs throughout HS and service organizations/church groups. In other words - just about anything but it should be something your kid actually cares about, enjoys and shows a continuing interest in.
Anonymous
07/27/2022 10:40
Subject: Re:ECs for UVA or VT admission
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Again - the kids from our school who got in are not URM or first generation. I'm sure there are kids at other schools who are who also had the stats to get in, but none from our school. You don't know who actually got in and why. Please stop pretending you do.
According to College Factual, Va Tech is 64.5% White and 10.3% Asian. Its is 6.9% Hispanic and the number of black students is less than 5% (it's so small, there's no % reported). So once again, the numbers don't support the racist lie that only URM kids are getting admitted. If you doubt the numbers, get a cup of coffee at the cafeteria and confirm them yourself.
VT is emphasizing increasing enrollment of Black and Hispanic students BECAUSE they are such a ridiculously low % of the student population. I worked with a Black, 1st Gen student last year who was admitted to the business school who benefited from this because he got in with lower stats than the average (but still good). However, we discovered one reason VT is not getting a lot of 1st gen students is because, despite the boost in admissions, they give crap financial aid. So he's going to CC. If they really want to hit their goal of 40% URM/1st Gen they need a much bigger financial aid budget, not just giving those students an advantage in admissions.
Plenty of not URM/1st Gen kids also get admitted and are more likely to actually enroll.
To be clear a URM isn't necessarily 1st Gen and a 1st Gen isn't necessarily URM, people need to stop conflating the two.
Definitely. There are a lot of 1st gen white and Asian students. The VT goal includes any 1st gen AND any URM
Anonymous
07/27/2022 09:17
Subject: Re:ECs for UVA or VT admission
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Again - the kids from our school who got in are not URM or first generation. I'm sure there are kids at other schools who are who also had the stats to get in, but none from our school. You don't know who actually got in and why. Please stop pretending you do.
According to College Factual, Va Tech is 64.5% White and 10.3% Asian. Its is 6.9% Hispanic and the number of black students is less than 5% (it's so small, there's no % reported). So once again, the numbers don't support the racist lie that only URM kids are getting admitted. If you doubt the numbers, get a cup of coffee at the cafeteria and confirm them yourself.
VT is emphasizing increasing enrollment of Black and Hispanic students BECAUSE they are such a ridiculously low % of the student population. I worked with a Black, 1st Gen student last year who was admitted to the business school who benefited from this because he got in with lower stats than the average (but still good). However, we discovered one reason VT is not getting a lot of 1st gen students is because, despite the boost in admissions, they give crap financial aid. So he's going to CC. If they really want to hit their goal of 40% URM/1st Gen they need a much bigger financial aid budget, not just giving those students an advantage in admissions.
Plenty of not URM/1st Gen kids also get admitted and are more likely to actually enroll.
To be clear a URM isn't necessarily 1st Gen and a 1st Gen isn't necessarily URM, people need to stop conflating the two.
Anonymous
07/27/2022 07:01
Subject: Re:ECs for UVA or VT admission
Anonymous wrote:Again - the kids from our school who got in are not URM or first generation. I'm sure there are kids at other schools who are who also had the stats to get in, but none from our school. You don't know who actually got in and why. Please stop pretending you do.
According to College Factual, Va Tech is 64.5% White and 10.3% Asian. Its is 6.9% Hispanic and the number of black students is less than 5% (it's so small, there's no % reported). So once again, the numbers don't support the racist lie that only URM kids are getting admitted. If you doubt the numbers, get a cup of coffee at the cafeteria and confirm them yourself.
VT is emphasizing increasing enrollment of Black and Hispanic students BECAUSE they are such a ridiculously low % of the student population. I worked with a Black, 1st Gen student last year who was admitted to the business school who benefited from this because he got in with lower stats than the average (but still good). However, we discovered one reason VT is not getting a lot of 1st gen students is because, despite the boost in admissions, they give crap financial aid. So he's going to CC. If they really want to hit their goal of 40% URM/1st Gen they need a much bigger financial aid budget, not just giving those students an advantage in admissions.
Plenty of not URM/1st Gen kids also get admitted and are more likely to actually enroll.
Anonymous
07/27/2022 06:32
Subject: ECs for UVA or VT admission
The two kids I know personally who got into VT engineering (white) checked the box to participate in Corp of Cadets. The three other kids waitlisted did not.
Anonymous
07/27/2022 01:04
Subject: Re:ECs for UVA or VT admission
According to College Factual, Va Tech is 64.5% White and 10.3% Asian. Its is 6.9% Hispanic and the number of black students is less than 5% (it's so small, there's no % reported). So once again, the numbers don't support the racist lie that only URM kids are getting admitted. If you doubt the numbers, get a cup of coffee at the cafeteria and confirm them yourself.Again - the kids from our school who got in are not URM or first generation. I'm sure there are kids at other schools who are who also had the stats to get in, but none from our school. You don't know who actually got in and why. Please stop pretending you do.
Anonymous
07/26/2022 22:02
Subject: Re:ECs for UVA or VT admission
I was a first generation in the 90s and no one cared. Funny that it gives you a leg up now.
Anonymous
07/26/2022 21:23
Subject: ECs for UVA or VT admission
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VT is more pure numbers driven than UVA.
I think the exact opposite. UVA is all gpa by high school. Just check naviance and you will see a clear line (in state). VT is all over the place for engineering. They value first gen and URM and WL a lot of high stats kids with strong EC.
+1
Few of the kids who have the 4.4+ weighted GPA probably have no ECs, but UVA is the most clearly driven by high GPA in a heavily weighted course schedule as the primary defining factor. You can have kids in at VT from a really wide range of GPAs and SATS and their yield protection shows by the waitlisting of high stats kids. VT is less selective than UVA by far, but also way less predictable.
DP. Re: the bolded, this has not been our experience *at all*. We know so many kids waitlisted or outright rejected from VT - kids who desperately wanted it as their first choice. It is not easy in the least to get into.
That is because they weren’t an URM, first generation or raised concerns about yield protection. UVA doesn’t play the latter game
Again - the kids from our school who got in are not URM or first generation. I'm sure there are kids at other schools who are who also had the stats to get in, but none from our school. You don't know who actually got in and why. Please stop pretending you do.
Anonymous
07/26/2022 21:21
Subject: ECs for UVA or VT admission
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VT is more pure numbers driven than UVA.
No, the current President is highly driven to make the school URM and first generation.google it.
We know - you keep repeating this. However, at least from our high school, these are not the kids who got in. They are among the top in their class, both academically and EC-wise, and none are first generation.
Anonymous
07/26/2022 21:19
Subject: ECs for UVA or VT admission
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VT is more pure numbers driven than UVA.
I think the exact opposite. UVA is all gpa by high school. Just check naviance and you will see a clear line (in state). VT is all over the place for engineering. They value first gen and URM and WL a lot of high stats kids with strong EC.
+1
Few of the kids who have the 4.4+ weighted GPA probably have no ECs, but UVA is the most clearly driven by high GPA in a heavily weighted course schedule as the primary defining factor. You can have kids in at VT from a really wide range of GPAs and SATS and their yield protection shows by the waitlisting of high stats kids. VT is less selective than UVA by far, but also way less predictable.
DP. Re: the bolded, this has not been our experience *at all*. We know so many kids waitlisted or outright rejected from VT - kids who desperately wanted it as their first choice. It is not easy in the least to get into.
THIS ^^