Anonymous
Post 05/06/2022 22:29     Subject: Re:neighborhood with no sidewalks or curb
The “expectations” of drivers who live in your neighborhood may be one thing but what about the delivery driver, Uber, DoorDash, contractors, etc who don’t live there and may speed though oblivious to neighborhood expectations? For this reason sidewalks are a nice safety feature.


Again- we have lived here for years with young kids and it has not been a problem. It probably helps that the kinds of drivers you describe are typically coming through the neighborhood during the day when the kids are most likely to be in school. But my experience is that having streets with different kids of users slows drivers down. Also, the streets themselves are not very wide so there are other reasons the cars aren’t generally operating at unsafe speeds.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2022 18:38     Subject: neighborhood with no sidewalks or curb
Anonymous wrote:The ditch part is annoying. I grew up in a neighborhood like this. It was quiet when I was a baby, so my parents could take us for walks on the road. Due to rapid development of surrounding areas, the roads became busy quickly. We were stranded in our yard and couldn’t even walk alongside the road across front yards because many fence lines ran to the ditch, which was usually too steep and wet for walking.

Think carefully about thru-traffic and potential for the surrounding neighborhoods to grow if you are telling yourself “we can just walk in the shoulder.”



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Too dangerous, and I like to go for walks. We crossed any neighborhood, no matter how "nice" off our list if it had any kind of through streets and no sidewalks.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2022 18:34     Subject: neighborhood with no sidewalks or curb
Anonymous wrote:I live in a neighborhood like this now and have young kids. As PPs have mentioned, I love it because the expectation for drivers is not that peds should stick to sidewalk while drivers rule the streets. We walk, bike and jog in the street and I’m totally comfortable with my kids doing the same. There is a lot of foot traffic in the neighborhood and neighbors often stop and chat in the streets. My kids are also conscious of the vehicles and move to the side when cars are approaching. It hasn’t bothered me a bit.


The “expectations” of drivers who live in your neighborhood may be one thing but what about the delivery driver, Uber, DoorDash, contractors, etc who don’t live there and may speed though oblivious to neighborhood expectations? For this reason sidewalks are a nice safety feature.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2022 18:29     Subject: Re:neighborhood with no sidewalks or curb
If you have a dog it sucks to walk your dog at night in a neighborhood without sidewalks--it's dangerous.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2022 18:23     Subject: neighborhood with no sidewalks or curb
I live in a neighborhood like this now and have young kids. As PPs have mentioned, I love it because the expectation for drivers is not that peds should stick to sidewalk while drivers rule the streets. We walk, bike and jog in the street and I’m totally comfortable with my kids doing the same. There is a lot of foot traffic in the neighborhood and neighbors often stop and chat in the streets. My kids are also conscious of the vehicles and move to the side when cars are approaching. It hasn’t bothered me a bit.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2022 16:58     Subject: neighborhood with no sidewalks or curb
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hate the look and feel of this.


+1 if this is a suburb. And with no curbs, anyone not parking in a driveway ends up on the edge of the lawn. Or creates ugly parallel parking pads. No thanks. While nothing is 100% safes, kids walking to the neighborhood school or school bus stop on sidewalks is my preference.
I wouldn’t like that scenario either. We’re in a neighborhood further out, so everyone has a few acres and long driveways. I’ve only seen cars on the street a few times for parties. I would not be ok with no sidewalks in a densely packed suburb.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2022 16:45     Subject: neighborhood with no sidewalks or curb
We live in a neighborhood with no sidewalks but on a dead end street. We have a fair number of ES and MS age kids who freely bike and run around without supervision.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2022 12:38     Subject: Re:neighborhood with no sidewalks or curb
I don't have a strong view on the aesthetics but I just don't like having to walk/run on the road. Requires too much vigilance with small kids. Also, I'm a runner and I like to run with headphones in, but I wouldn't be comfortable doing that while running on the road.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2022 12:34     Subject: neighborhood with no sidewalks or curb
Anonymous wrote:I hate the look and feel of this.


+1 if this is a suburb. And with no curbs, anyone not parking in a driveway ends up on the edge of the lawn. Or creates ugly parallel parking pads. No thanks. While nothing is 100% safes, kids walking to the neighborhood school or school bus stop on sidewalks is my preference.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2022 11:36     Subject: neighborhood with no sidewalks or curb
"people realize everyone will be walking on the side of the road. "

I would not live there with kids. The difference here vs. rural areas is that this area has a lot more car traffic AND a lot more people driving around the general area vs. people that just live there so KNOW that everyone will be walking in the road. If I do not live somewhere and am just driving through then no, i have zero expectation to come around a corner and find someone walking in the road. it's dangerous
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2022 10:29     Subject: neighborhood with no sidewalks or curb
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The ditch part is annoying. I grew up in a neighborhood like this. It was quiet when I was a baby, so my parents could take us for walks on the road. Due to rapid development of surrounding areas, the roads became busy quickly. We were stranded in our yard and couldn’t even walk alongside the road across front yards because many fence lines ran to the ditch, which was usually too steep and wet for walking.

Think carefully about thru-traffic and potential for the surrounding neighborhoods to grow if you are telling yourself “we can just walk in the shoulder.”


No the best part of not having sidewalks is you have a legal right to walk in the road. The sidewalkless road is super wide and friends can comfortably walk and talk 3 in a row with cars passing safely around
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What? Yes you have a legal right to walk in the road, single file.

Yep, I used to live in a neighborhood like this, they're especially awful if you have selfish neighbors who take over the road to walk in packs like this. They nearly made me late to work a few times. Add to that neighbors who constantly trespassed our lot to come "play" in the ditches, and never again.


So I assume if pedestrians were not allowed to walk two abreast then you never drove a car with a passenger next to you? Or is being next to the person you are traveling with reserved for people in cars?

Maybe if you left earlier you wouldn't have been late to work.