Anonymous
05/08/2022 08:58
Subject: Does college matter?
Yes and no. Acquainted with Harvard and Wharton MBAs who aren't working. Also know cases where the person will readily admit that without their Harvard MBA, they would not have their current job. Lots of factors lead to success or not.
Anonymous
05/08/2022 08:27
Subject: Re:Does college matter?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/does-it-matter-where-you-go-college/577816/
"Research suggests that elite colleges don’t really help rich white guys. But they can have a big effect if you’re not rich, not white, or not a guy."
I see this and do not believe it in all cases. UMC kid with professional parents who goes to JMU has a tougher road than the one to Harvard. Can we predict that the Harvard kid comes out on top -- no way. This is still America. But the options, benfit of the doubt, etc that the Harvcard kid gets gives him/her more pathways. JMU kid still has pathways, just not as many. JMU kid may be boss of Harvard kid. But all things being equall who would you rather be? All things are not equall. Cost and other factors go into it. But those schools do help white kids.
They aren’t talking about UMC who would send their kids to JMU. They are talking about the kids who are sent to Pepperdine.
Further, an UMC kid will have a much better high school education and likely perform better at JMU or Pepperdine with ease. Versus the poor POC kid from crummy schools, who might be behind wherever they go to college.
Anonymous
05/08/2022 08:17
Subject: Does college matter?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I present well, lie about my education, and have yet to be found out.
It doesn't matter if you know how to look, behave, and link with the right people.
Lie about what of your education?
I know someone who did this and was a VP at a major commercial real estate holdings firm in nyc. She told them she had a college degree when she dropped out. They never found out and she went on to found her own real estate brokerage firm
Too easy to find out.
No it's not. As long a person is vague, there is no way you can find out.
Anonymous
05/08/2022 07:55
Subject: Does college matter?
Anonymous wrote:I present well, lie about my education, and have yet to be found out.
It doesn't matter if you know how to look, behave, and link with the right people.
I have a brother who does this. He never graduated college but lies in his resume and makes almost as much as me (government attorney). But he is damn good at his job and is constantly being promoted.
DCpetunia
05/07/2022 17:52
Subject: Does college matter?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It seems academic excellence (personal or institutional) isn’t rewarded as much as high school grads and parents think or assume it would. Luck, connections and circumstances play a huge role in every person’s professional trajectory.
Academic success matters to get to the next level of academics and/or programs that connect people with professions. No one thinks it matters aside from that.
This.
Anonymous
05/07/2022 16:41
Subject: Re:Does college matter?
Anonymous wrote:The vast majority of DCUMers overestimate the impact of a ‘good’ school. The majority of those same people tout their average upbringings in working class households, failing to realize that they themselves achieved success despite not going to all top tier schools. This basically shows that they think no one but themselves have any agency, including their children, and need to be spoonfed to the ‘best’ to ensure their success.
This also ensure their kids have less charm and charisma then they did or their children's peers
Can't really be overstated. Makes a difference every day. But no reason someone from a lower school can't make it.
Anonymous
05/07/2022 16:40
Subject: Re:Does college matter?
Anonymous wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/does-it-matter-where-you-go-college/577816/
"Research suggests that elite colleges don’t really help rich white guys. But they can have a big effect if you’re not rich, not white, or not a guy."
I see this and do not believe it in all cases. UMC kid with professional parents who goes to JMU has a tougher road than the one to Harvard. Can we predict that the Harvard kid comes out on top -- no way. This is still America. But the options, benfit of the doubt, etc that the Harvcard kid gets gives him/her more pathways. JMU kid still has pathways, just not as many. JMU kid may be boss of Harvard kid. But all things being equall who would you rather be? All things are not equall. Cost and other factors go into it. But those schools do help white kids.
Anonymous
05/07/2022 15:44
Subject: Re:Does college matter?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/does-it-matter-where-you-go-college/577816/
"Research suggests that elite colleges don’t really help rich white guys. But they can have a big effect if you’re not rich, not white, or not a guy."
Exactly! People always say well Bill Gates, Mark Z. etc. dropped out of college ...see how well they did. But, they are both white men who enjoy the privileges only white men enjoy.
Smarts and ambition helped in these cases, too.