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Anonymous wrote:Because we don’t hold rich and powerful people accountable for anything they do in this country.

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As I said up thread, this is a very common ruling class scam. It’s terrible, but until you all realize it started long before Trump or Javanka, you’ll be powerless to stop it.

What a weird feint. Why not just prosecute these two cheating schmoes for their crimes instead of wringing your hands and doing nothing? These two are uniquely horrible.

Psst: it’s not a crime no matter what you think. I share your distaste, but unlike those who lost their minds with the Trumps, I was well aware of how bad (often much worse) it was before.

Go heavy or go home with this stuff: take on the deeper problems.

Guiding foreign policy toward the nation that can fill your own wallet isn’t a “deeper problem”?

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Anonymous wrote:Jared was one of the leading voices in the Trump admin advocating to keep sanctions and other punishments light for crown prince MbS (aka prince bone spurs) who ordered the killing of dissident Virginia based journalist Khasoggi. that is part of the return on their $2bn investment

I love how human rights violations by KSA only became a concern when a prominent guy who worked for Jeff Bezos got into trouble. KSA has been an very, very ugly place for as long as the U.S. has been friendly with it. And its monarchy has worked hand-in-glove with the American ruling class.

I'll say it again: if you are disturbed by this chain of events, you have to acknowledge that this was just the latest in a long line of similar relations between powerful Americans and the Saudi Royals.

It doesn’t make what kushner did any better but the US relationship with SA has been icky since at least 9/11.

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Anonymous wrote:Jared was one of the leading voices in the Trump admin advocating to keep sanctions and other punishments light for crown prince MbS (aka prince bone spurs) who ordered the killing of dissident Virginia based journalist Khasoggi. that is part of the return on their $2bn investment

I love how human rights violations by KSA only became a concern when a prominent guy who worked for Jeff Bezos got into trouble. KSA has been an very, very ugly place for as long as the U.S. has been friendly with it. And its monarchy has worked hand-in-glove with the American ruling class.

I'll say it again: if you are disturbed by this chain of events, you have to acknowledge that this was just the latest in a long line of similar relations between powerful Americans and the Saudi Royals.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we don’t hold rich and powerful people accountable for anything they do in this country.

This

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As I said up thread, this is a very common ruling class scam. It’s terrible, but until you all realize it started long before Trump or Javanka, you’ll be powerless to stop it.

What a weird feint. Why not just prosecute these two cheating schmoes for their crimes instead of wringing your hands and doing nothing? These two are uniquely horrible.

Psst: it’s not a crime no matter what you think. I share your distaste, but unlike those who lost their minds with the Trumps, I was well aware of how bad (often much worse) it was before.

Go heavy or go home with this stuff: take on the deeper problems.

Cites. Where are are your cites for "often much worse...before"?

You all are massively boring. There are lots of gigs working with Saudi money, Carlyle is the lowest of low-hanging fruit. BUT, the real motherload is Treasury Secretary William E. Simon negotiating, without the State Department, to get the Saudi's to price oil in dollars therefore recycling the surpluses back into dollar-denominated assets and basically creating a Frankenstein's monster financial system. Javanka's$2B of mezz debt (or whatever the terms were, could be preferred equity or something like that) might be a pimple on the monster that is our Simon-warped financial system.

And then there's all the weapons deals, which are whole other set of relationships with much more going on then meets the eye.

Seriously, work on this if you care. But you are lazy and/or uniformed if you don't get that Jared is a low-rent schmuck compared to the big disasters out there. I'd love to put them all in jail, but the judiciary, US attorneys, executive, legislature, etc. have been looking the other way at best at this stuff for decades.

Ooh yes, making a deal to ensure the dollar will be the reserve currency of the world is exactly like making a deal to get a $2 billion private equity slush fund.

Seriously do you not get the difference between those?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we don’t hold rich and powerful people accountable for anything they do in this country.

This

+2
As I said up thread, this is a very common ruling class scam. It’s terrible, but until you all realize it started long before Trump or Javanka, you’ll be powerless to stop it.

What a weird feint. Why not just prosecute these two cheating schmoes for their crimes instead of wringing your hands and doing nothing? These two are uniquely horrible.

Psst: it’s not a crime no matter what you think. I share your distaste, but unlike those who lost their minds with the Trumps, I was well aware of how bad (often much worse) it was before.

Go heavy or go home with this stuff: take on the deeper problems.

Cites. Where are are your cites for "often much worse...before"?

You all are massively boring. There are lots of gigs working with Saudi money, Carlyle is the lowest of low-hanging fruit. BUT, the real motherload is Treasury Secretary William E. Simon negotiating, without the State Department, to get the Saudi's to price oil in dollars therefore recycling the surpluses back into dollar-denominated assets and basically creating a Frankenstein's monster financial system. Javanka's$2B of mezz debt (or whatever the terms were, could be preferred equity or something like that) might be a pimple on the monster that is our Simon-warped financial system.

And then there's all the weapons deals, which are whole other set of relationships with much more going on then meets the eye.

Seriously, work on this if you care. But you are lazy and/or uniformed if you don't get that Jared is a low-rent schmuck compared to the big disasters out there. I'd love to put them all in jail, but the judiciary, US attorneys, executive, legislature, etc. have been looking the other way at best at this stuff for decades.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we don’t hold rich and powerful people accountable for anything they do in this country.

This

+2
As I said up thread, this is a very common ruling class scam. It’s terrible, but until you all realize it started long before Trump or Javanka, you’ll be powerless to stop it.

What a weird feint. Why not just prosecute these two cheating schmoes for their crimes instead of wringing your hands and doing nothing? These two are uniquely horrible.

Psst: it’s not a crime no matter what you think. I share your distaste, but unlike those who lost their minds with the Trumps, I was well aware of how bad (often much worse) it was before.

Go heavy or go home with this stuff: take on the deeper problems.

Cites. Where are are your cites for "often much worse...before"?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we don’t hold rich and powerful people accountable for anything they do in this country.

This

+2
As I said up thread, this is a very common ruling class scam. It’s terrible, but until you all realize it started long before Trump or Javanka, you’ll be powerless to stop it.

What a weird feint. Why not just prosecute these two cheating schmoes for their crimes instead of wringing your hands and doing nothing? These two are uniquely horrible.

Psst: it’s not a crime no matter what you think. I share your distaste, but unlike those who lost their minds with the Trumps, I was well aware of how bad (often much worse) it was before.

Go heavy or go home with this stuff: take on the deeper problems.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jared was one of the leading voices in the Trump admin advocating to keep sanctions and other punishments light for crown prince MbS (aka prince bone spurs) who ordered the killing of dissident Virginia based journalist Khasoggi. that is part of the return on their $2bn investment

I love how human rights violations by KSA only became a concern when a prominent guy who worked for Jeff Bezos got into trouble. KSA has been an very, very ugly place for as long as the U.S. has been friendly with it. And its monarchy has worked hand-in-glove with the American ruling class.

I'll say it again: if you are disturbed by this chain of events, you have to acknowledge that this was just the latest in a long line of similar relations between powerful Americans and the Saudi Royals.

So much whataboutism. A crown prince ordered a hit on a journalist critical of his reign and Jared Kushner was his chief apologist and gets a $2bn investment out of it and for you that’s “business as usual.” No it is not and it’s something worthy of a banana republic, not America

You are clearly guilty of WTFism with your silly analysis, but I am in no way guilty of 'whataboutism'.

Javanka's scummy deal is minor variation on a decades old problem that has done serious damage to this country AND propped up the Al-Sauds AND kept Salafist terrorism active. Our ruling class has spent decades coddling terrible, terrible behavior by the Saudi royals. Behavior that includes many, many executions and chronically bad treatment of women+minorities among others. But those deals have meant that Javanka won't get touched, because to do so would be to call out so many other power players that effectively it would be a suicide bomb let off by Javanka's putative opponents.

If Javanka's sweetheart deal bothers you, you should embrace what I'm saying and not play your masters' game of pretending that this stuff is some great anomaly.

There is a huge difference between the US turning a blind eye to human rights abuses because we want/need the government’s help in dealing with some foreign policy issue and doing so because the policymakers are getting a guaranteed $25 million/year payoff.

Lots of people are guilty of bad policy, and sure some people trade on their prior government service through lobbying or corporate board seats but Jared is a truly corrupt POS.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jared was one of the leading voices in the Trump admin advocating to keep sanctions and other punishments light for crown prince MbS (aka prince bone spurs) who ordered the killing of dissident Virginia based journalist Khasoggi. that is part of the return on their $2bn investment

I love how human rights violations by KSA only became a concern when a prominent guy who worked for Jeff Bezos got into trouble. KSA has been an very, very ugly place for as long as the U.S. has been friendly with it. And its monarchy has worked hand-in-glove with the American ruling class.

I'll say it again: if you are disturbed by this chain of events, you have to acknowledge that this was just the latest in a long line of similar relations between powerful Americans and the Saudi Royals.

So much whataboutism. A crown prince ordered a hit on a journalist critical of his reign and Jared Kushner was his chief apologist and gets a $2bn investment out of it and for you that’s “business as usual.” No it is not and it’s something worthy of a banana republic, not America

You are clearly guilty of WTFism with your silly analysis, but I am in no way guilty of 'whataboutism'.

Javanka's scummy deal is minor variation on a decades old problem that has done serious damage to this country AND propped up the Al-Sauds AND kept Salafist terrorism active. Our ruling class has spent decades coddling terrible, terrible behavior by the Saudi royals. Behavior that includes many, many executions and chronically bad treatment of women+minorities among others. But those deals have meant that Javanka won't get touched, because to do so would be to call out so many other power players that effectively it would be a suicide bomb let off by Javanka's putative opponents.

If Javanka's sweetheart deal bothers you, you should embrace what I'm saying and not play your masters' game of pretending that this stuff is some great anomaly.

Anonymous wrote:Jared was one of the leading voices in the Trump admin advocating to keep sanctions and other punishments light for crown prince MbS (aka prince bone spurs) who ordered the killing of dissident Virginia based journalist Khasoggi. that is part of the return on their $2bn investment

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jared was one of the leading voices in the Trump admin advocating to keep sanctions and other punishments light for crown prince MbS (aka prince bone spurs) who ordered the killing of dissident Virginia based journalist Khasoggi. that is part of the return on their $2bn investment

I love how human rights violations by KSA only became a concern when a prominent guy who worked for Jeff Bezos got into trouble. KSA has been an very, very ugly place for as long as the U.S. has been friendly with it. And its monarchy has worked hand-in-glove with the American ruling class.

I'll say it again: if you are disturbed by this chain of events, you have to acknowledge that this was just the latest in a long line of similar relations between powerful Americans and the Saudi Royals.

So much whataboutism. A crown prince ordered a hit on a journalist critical of his reign and Jared Kushner was his chief apologist and gets a $2bn investment out of it and for you that’s “business as usual.” No it is not and it’s something worthy of a banana republic, not America

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny ’cause it’s true.

They wondered why it wasn't 20 billion.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jared was one of the leading voices in the Trump admin advocating to keep sanctions and other punishments light for crown prince MbS (aka prince bone spurs) who ordered the killing of dissident Virginia based journalist Khasoggi. that is part of the return on their $2bn investment

I love how human rights violations by KSA only became a concern when a prominent guy who worked for Jeff Bezos got into trouble. KSA has been an very, very ugly place for as long as the U.S. has been friendly with it. And its monarchy has worked hand-in-glove with the American ruling class.

I'll say it again: if you are disturbed by this chain of events, you have to acknowledge that this was just the latest in a long line of similar relations between powerful Americans and the Saudi Royals.

Anonymous wrote:It’s funny ’cause it’s true.