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Anonymous wrote:There’s a number of medium-sized privates that offer what you want, but note that they’re all private. Do you want to pay an additional $30-40k year for sport spirit?

W&M is the most expensive state college in the country, especially if you are OOS.

I think Michigan and UVA are a bit more.

UVA is $53,666 OOS tuition. Michigan is $53,323. William & Mary is $46,467.

No. W& M is $63,500 for OOS. Tuition alone is 40 k+

You are comparing full cost at W&M with tuition only at UVA and Michigan. UVA and Michigan have higher OOS tuition.

NO, the all in for OOS at UVA is $53,667, still $10k less than W&M

Football is not an afterthought at W&M. But why not just go for the gold and apply to Alabama?

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Anonymous wrote:Boston College
Clemson
Northwestern

Clemson like W&M?

LOL, I just thought the same thing. Absolutely not.

See, the thing is, the top students aren’t choosing schools for sports, so you’re gonna have to give a little in one direction or another.

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Anonymous wrote:Well Davidson is smaller but their basketball team is a top div 1 contender.
Richmond seems to have more of a sports culture too.

Davidson is a top Division 1 Contender?

in basketball for a school their size? absolutely. It's a big deal on campus, have been to a game. great facility, rabid fans.

But not a Division 1 contender (perhaps that one year with Steph Curry).

Davidson was the regular season champion of the Atlantic 10 and made the NCAA Tournament this year. They lost by 1 to Michigan State. Now their baseball team is on the cusp of being ranked nationally in Division 1.

Davidson football?

Nobody has claimed davidson has a good football team. The OP is looking for more of a sports atmosphere than W&M in a similar school. Though smaller it could easily appeal to the same type of kid and does have at least one strong sport.

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Anonymous wrote:Well Davidson is smaller but their basketball team is a top div 1 contender.
Richmond seems to have more of a sports culture too.

Davidson is a top Division 1 Contender?

in basketball for a school their size? absolutely. It's a big deal on campus, have been to a game. great facility, rabid fans.

But not a Division 1 contender (perhaps that one year with Steph Curry).

Davidson was the regular season champion of the Atlantic 10 and made the NCAA Tournament this year. They lost by 1 to Michigan State. Now their baseball team is on the cusp of being ranked nationally in Division 1.

Davidson football?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a number of medium-sized privates that offer what you want, but note that they’re all private. Do you want to pay an additional $30-40k year for sport spirit?

W&M is the most expensive state college in the country, especially if you are OOS.

I think Michigan and UVA are a bit more.

UVA is $53,666 OOS tuition. Michigan is $53,323. William & Mary is $46,467.

No. W& M is $63,500 for OOS. Tuition alone is 40 k+

You are comparing full cost at W&M with tuition only at UVA and Michigan. UVA and Michigan have higher OOS tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:Well Davidson is smaller but their basketball team is a top div 1 contender.
Richmond seems to have more of a sports culture too.

Davidson is a top Division 1 Contender?

in basketball for a school their size? absolutely. It's a big deal on campus, have been to a game. great facility, rabid fans.

But not a Division 1 contender (perhaps that one year with Steph Curry).

Davidson was the regular season champion of the Atlantic 10 and made the NCAA Tournament this year. They lost by 1 to Michigan State. Now their baseball team is on the cusp of being ranked nationally in Division 1.

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Anonymous wrote:In the Power 5, it would be schools like Wake, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Stanford, Duke, and Boston College, plus Notre Dame. Some of those are obviously exceptionally difficult admits.

Outside of Power 5, perhaps Rice, Davidson (basketball only), Richmond, etc.

Most big sports public schools tend to be significantly larger. A number that are similar sized (Tufts) aren't big sports schools.

Not a single public on your list.

When it comes to publics, W&M is singular: there is no other public of its size and quality.

This hits the nail on the head.

The closest highly ranked public to W&M in size is probably Georgia Tech (16,000+) and it does have a big time sports culture. But it is 2.5 times the undergrad enrollment of W&M. The only other two publics with too 40 ranking and under 20,000 undergrads are UVA and UNC-CH.

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Anonymous wrote:Boston College
Clemson
Northwestern

Clemson like W&M?

Yes. It is bigger - as are most of the schools suggested. But it's a state school (most of the recommendations are for private schools) and probably more competitive than most people think.

And it's a little less competitve, but not by much, especially if the student is applying as an oos to Clemson vs instate to W&M.

Clemson SAT: V610-690, M: 640-750
W&M SAT: V: 660-740, M: 640-750

Clemson acceptance rate: 62%
W&M acceptance rate: 42%