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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. You’re likely upset that you pushed masking so much and didn’t have any clue that they are largely ineffective. I’d feel dumb too. Your extreme emotions about all of this are likely due to the fact that you were fooled and now realize it. Sorry.

I’ll add that I have a hunch your COVID denying family members are alive and well. That probably angers you too.

OP here, this is a disgusting comment. I would never wish ill on anyone and am not angry that they're alive and well.

I didn’t mean as though you would wish them ill will. But I do think it’s hard for many very into covid people to admit that they didn’t experience a different outcome than most people who ran around unvaxed without masks.

I think it’s hard for many *not* into covid people to remember that a whole lot of folks died or got long term symptoms.

Tons of people died, yes. But they were mostly elderly. The real risk to OP was her child’s illness. Not covid. The long term symptoms thing is always thrown out there by covidians, but most of us can just use common sense and ascertain that although almost everyone we know had covid, not a single person is still sick.

I truly do think there are a lot of people out there like OP who were fooled and spent years doing silly things like going around in cloth masks. It’s probably hard to accept that the covid denying relatives were correct.

Fooled? When you are responsible for taking care of other people, you do as much as you can to protect yourself an others with the information available. Shift as information shifts and hospitals empty. The family issue extends beyond COVID

It was very obvious since Feb 2020 that covid mostly affects the elderly. To act hysterical over COVID for a 5 month old and ruin a family relationship over it is foolish.

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Anonymous wrote:OP these people are not people you want to hang around your kids. They are nasty and gross.

I’ve observed that the unvaccinated are basically really selfish jerks. They are generally angry people or people with deep insecurities and anxiety. For them it’s a way to express their bad personalities.

For the vaccinated who have had these jerks in their life as unliked family members, the anti vaccine and anti mask thing is simply the straw that broke the camels back. Why risk your health to be around someone you didn’t like anyway? Just let them go and find fun things to do with your nuclear family. See your parents without the sibling in law.

Disagree. I think they are smart. Looking back I kind of regret a vaccine that didn’t prevent transmission or keep me from catching omicron. It’s a brand new vaccine and it appears I’ll need continued boosters over and over again. At this point to truly paint those who didn’t vaccinate against covid seems very 2021. It’s also a huge % of our country. I’d try to take a step back and not be so emotional about covid. If you think logically, it’s a lot easier to not judge someone for not vaccinating against covid.

Oh, the irony! You, clearly, don't understand how vaccines work and, in particular, the COVID vaccines. The COVID vaccination may have had less efficacy in preventing omicron transmission but, without a doubt, it reduced the severity of illness in over 80% of those who received the vaccination and later had COVID, including the omicron variant. That's really good. Judging the willful ignorance of people will never grow old, especially those people who also refuse to respect boundaries and gaslight.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e3.htm

Cool. I can’t help but ignore that I know plenty of unvaccinated and vaccinated people and the effects of omicron didn’t seem to be correlated to vaccination status. Plenty of people have observed the same and we are also reluctant to continue receiving a vaccine with an unknown number of doses and where we can still catch the virus. I do appreciate I wasn’t hospitalized, but I’m also not convinced my outcome would have been any different without rhe vaccine.

You also don't understand the difference between anecdotal information and information gathered thru data collection. Yet, you claim you yhink 'logically'. smh

So you’re saying that there aren’t plenty of unvaccinated people who ended up perfectly fine post omicron?

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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. You’re likely upset that you pushed masking so much and didn’t have any clue that they are largely ineffective. I’d feel dumb too. Your extreme emotions about all of this are likely due to the fact that you were fooled and now realize it. Sorry.

I’ll add that I have a hunch your COVID denying family members are alive and well. That probably angers you too.

OP here, this is a disgusting comment. I would never wish ill on anyone and am not angry that they're alive and well.

I didn’t mean as though you would wish them ill will. But I do think it’s hard for many very into covid people to admit that they didn’t experience a different outcome than most people who ran around unvaxed without masks.

I think it’s hard for many *not* into covid people to remember that a whole lot of folks died or got long term symptoms.

Tons of people died, yes. But they were mostly elderly. The real risk to OP was her child’s illness. Not covid. The long term symptoms thing is always thrown out there by covidians, but most of us can just use common sense and ascertain that although almost everyone we know had covid, not a single person is still sick.

I truly do think there are a lot of people out there like OP who were fooled and spent years doing silly things like going around in cloth masks. It’s probably hard to accept that the covid denying relatives were correct.

Fooled? When you are responsible for taking care of other people, you do as much as you can to protect yourself an others with the information available. Shift as information shifts and hospitals empty. The family issue extends beyond COVID

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Anonymous wrote:OP these people are not people you want to hang around your kids. They are nasty and gross.

I’ve observed that the unvaccinated are basically really selfish jerks. They are generally angry people or people with deep insecurities and anxiety. For them it’s a way to express their bad personalities.

For the vaccinated who have had these jerks in their life as unliked family members, the anti vaccine and anti mask thing is simply the straw that broke the camels back. Why risk your health to be around someone you didn’t like anyway? Just let them go and find fun things to do with your nuclear family. See your parents without the sibling in law.

Disagree. I think they are smart. Looking back I kind of regret a vaccine that didn’t prevent transmission or keep me from catching omicron. It’s a brand new vaccine and it appears I’ll need continued boosters over and over again. At this point to truly paint those who didn’t vaccinate against covid seems very 2021. It’s also a huge % of our country. I’d try to take a step back and not be so emotional about covid. If you think logically, it’s a lot easier to not judge someone for not vaccinating against covid.

Oh, the irony! You, clearly, don't understand how vaccines work and, in particular, the COVID vaccines. The COVID vaccination may have had less efficacy in preventing omicron transmission but, without a doubt, it reduced the severity of illness in over 80% of those who received the vaccination and later had COVID, including the omicron variant. That's really good. Judging the willful ignorance of people will never grow old, especially those people who also refuse to respect boundaries and gaslight.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e3.htm

Cool. I can’t help but ignore that I know plenty of unvaccinated and vaccinated people and the effects of omicron didn’t seem to be correlated to vaccination status. Plenty of people have observed the same and we are also reluctant to continue receiving a vaccine with an unknown number of doses and where we can still catch the virus. I do appreciate I wasn’t hospitalized, but I’m also not convinced my outcome would have been any different without rhe vaccine.

You also don't understand the difference between anecdotal information and information gathered thru data collection. Yet, you claim you yhink 'logically'. smh

Oh wait, all the kids were still unvaccinated then. Yes. They were having sleepovers.

20:15 again. Putting the ER visit aside, I’d still let it go. Covid was very much known in spring 2021. DH and I had been back at work in person for a long time, our kids were in school in person, no one we knew were wearing masks outside and our kids were socializing with friends indoors maskless by then. Neighborhood parities were back on. We are in the dc metro area. We let our kids see their unvaccinated cousins and have sleepovers.

I think you need to let it go. It’s a year later and my issue wouldn’t be about covid. It’s about learning boundaries with extended families and your kids. It took me a LONG time to take a firm hard no with family but it made my own life and marriage better. For the future, you cancel if there is a medical emergency the night before. It doesn’t matter if the company is or isn’t family.

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Anonymous wrote:OP you have anxiety. A lot of people with anxiety went all in on the covid precautions. The real risk to your family was whatever had your kid actually in the hospital. Mandating your relatives to wear masks was stupid and pointless. You were looking for something to focus on instead of your child’s health emergency so you distracted yourself with your relatives not following whatever COVID practiced at the time. Looking back it should be obvious that requiring them to wear a mask was pointless. They already realized this at the time but you didn’t. You were also probably wiping down your groceries at one point.

No, the real risk was what the toxic family could have spread TO the 5 month old baby who had been in the hospital with a serious health condition. The toxic family agreed to OP's conditions but then reneged. To add insult to injury, they, like you, are trying to make her out to be unreasonable. She's not.

Ok but they didn’t spread anything, right?

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Anonymous wrote:OP these people are not people you want to hang around your kids. They are nasty and gross.

I’ve observed that the unvaccinated are basically really selfish jerks. They are generally angry people or people with deep insecurities and anxiety. For them it’s a way to express their bad personalities.

For the vaccinated who have had these jerks in their life as unliked family members, the anti vaccine and anti mask thing is simply the straw that broke the camels back. Why risk your health to be around someone you didn’t like anyway? Just let them go and find fun things to do with your nuclear family. See your parents without the sibling in law.

Disagree. I think they are smart. Looking back I kind of regret a vaccine that didn’t prevent transmission or keep me from catching omicron. It’s a brand new vaccine and it appears I’ll need continued boosters over and over again. At this point to truly paint those who didn’t vaccinate against covid seems very 2021. It’s also a huge % of our country. I’d try to take a step back and not be so emotional about covid. If you think logically, it’s a lot easier to not judge someone for not vaccinating against covid.

Oh, the irony! You, clearly, don't understand how vaccines work and, in particular, the COVID vaccines. The COVID vaccination may have had less efficacy in preventing omicron transmission but, without a doubt, it reduced the severity of illness in over 80% of those who received the vaccination and later had COVID, including the omicron variant. That's really good. Judging the willful ignorance of people will never grow old, especially those people who also refuse to respect boundaries and gaslight.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e3.htm

Cool. I can’t help but ignore that I know plenty of unvaccinated and vaccinated people and the effects of omicron didn’t seem to be correlated to vaccination status. Plenty of people have observed the same and we are also reluctant to continue receiving a vaccine with an unknown number of doses and where we can still catch the virus. I do appreciate I wasn’t hospitalized, but I’m also not convinced my outcome would have been any different without rhe vaccine.

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Anonymous wrote:OP you have anxiety. A lot of people with anxiety went all in on the covid precautions. The real risk to your family was whatever had your kid actually in the hospital. Mandating your relatives to wear masks was stupid and pointless. You were looking for something to focus on instead of your child’s health emergency so you distracted yourself with your relatives not following whatever COVID practiced at the time. Looking back it should be obvious that requiring them to wear a mask was pointless. They already realized this at the time but you didn’t. You were also probably wiping down your groceries at one point.

No, the real risk was what the toxic family could have spread TO the 5 month old baby who had been in the hospital with a serious health condition. The toxic family agreed to OP's conditions but then reneged. To add insult to injury, they, like you, are trying to make her out to be unreasonable. She's not.

Interesting that you assume covid is more of a risk to the 5 month old than whatever it was the 5 month old was hospitalized for.

Anonymous wrote:OP you have anxiety. A lot of people with anxiety went all in on the covid precautions. The real risk to your family was whatever had your kid actually in the hospital. Mandating your relatives to wear masks was stupid and pointless. You were looking for something to focus on instead of your child’s health emergency so you distracted yourself with your relatives not following whatever COVID practiced at the time. Looking back it should be obvious that requiring them to wear a mask was pointless. They already realized this at the time but you didn’t. You were also probably wiping down your groceries at one point.

No, the real risk was what the toxic family could have spread TO the 5 month old baby who had been in the hospital with a serious health condition. The toxic family agreed to OP's conditions but then reneged. To add insult to injury, they, like you, are trying to make her out to be unreasonable. She's not.

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Anonymous wrote:OP these people are not people you want to hang around your kids. They are nasty and gross.

I’ve observed that the unvaccinated are basically really selfish jerks. They are generally angry people or people with deep insecurities and anxiety. For them it’s a way to express their bad personalities.

For the vaccinated who have had these jerks in their life as unliked family members, the anti vaccine and anti mask thing is simply the straw that broke the camels back. Why risk your health to be around someone you didn’t like anyway? Just let them go and find fun things to do with your nuclear family. See your parents without the sibling in law.

Disagree. I think they are smart. Looking back I kind of regret a vaccine that didn’t prevent transmission or keep me from catching omicron. It’s a brand new vaccine and it appears I’ll need continued boosters over and over again. At this point to truly paint those who didn’t vaccinate against covid seems very 2021. It’s also a huge % of our country. I’d try to take a step back and not be so emotional about covid. If you think logically, it’s a lot easier to not judge someone for not vaccinating against covid.

Oh, the irony! You, clearly, don't understand how vaccines work and, in particular, the COVID vaccines. The COVID vaccination may have had less efficacy in preventing omicron transmission but, without a doubt, it reduced the severity of illness in over 80% of those who received the vaccination and later had COVID, including the omicron variant. That's really good. Judging the willful ignorance of people will never grow old, especially those people who also refuse to respect boundaries and gaslight.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e3.htm

Anonymous wrote:OP these people are not people you want to hang around your kids. They are nasty and gross.

I’ve observed that the unvaccinated are basically really selfish jerks. They are generally angry people or people with deep insecurities and anxiety. For them it’s a way to express their bad personalities.

For the vaccinated who have had these jerks in their life as unliked family members, the anti vaccine and anti mask thing is simply the straw that broke the camels back. Why risk your health to be around someone you didn’t like anyway? Just let them go and find fun things to do with your nuclear family. See your parents without the sibling in law.

Disagree. I think they are smart. Looking back I kind of regret a vaccine that didn’t prevent transmission or keep me from catching omicron. It’s a brand new vaccine and it appears I’ll need continued boosters over and over again. At this point to truly paint those who didn’t vaccinate against covid seems very 2021. It’s also a huge % of our country. I’d try to take a step back and not be so emotional about covid. If you think logically, it’s a lot easier to not judge someone for not vaccinating against covid.

OP these people are not people you want to hang around your kids. They are nasty and gross.

I’ve observed that the unvaccinated are basically really selfish jerks. They are generally angry people or people with deep insecurities and anxiety. For them it’s a way to express their bad personalities.

For the vaccinated who have had these jerks in their life as unliked family members, the anti vaccine and anti mask thing is simply the straw that broke the camels back. Why risk your health to be around someone you didn’t like anyway? Just let them go and find fun things to do with your nuclear family. See your parents without the sibling in law.

Should be "have a right to do what they want too."