Anonymous
03/06/2022 10:17
Subject: College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It varies year yo year but I do keep an eye on Potomac vs Holton. Potomac is markedly stronger, controlling for female vs female
Wrong! Holton has much better results. Too many Potomac grads go to UVA -- they could have saved $$ + gone to any public h.s.
Potomac sends too many to a top 25 university (with top 10 law school and top 15 mba) in a vibrant and scenic college town where most get the benefits if in-state tuition. How dare they!
I’d be freaking ecstatic for my DC to get in.
Good for you. But, my point is Potomac does nothing more for a kid than any VA Public. Potomac is not for intellectual students.
Anonymous
03/06/2022 10:12
Subject: College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
OP: this is your daughters life and she will respect you more if you would let her lead it. She has her reasons for wanting Madeira, if she isn’t fully allowed to go, she will not feel great about it. Now if it’s close even between two schools, let her do the events and decide, but if her heart is fully on Madeira, it’s time to step back and let her lead this. You’re just not possibly able to control for college admissions now and she will lead at that time too… because you did such an amazing job raising her.
Anonymous
03/06/2022 10:05
Subject: Re:College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
Anonymous wrote:Last year, one girl at Holton got into pretty much all the Ivies, but chose Spelman with full scholarship. How are we counting for such cases in your « statistics »?
And to that point, how are you counting in this whole thread for the fact that these are choices the students made, as opposed to where they got in or something Potomac et al is responsible for?
And it is not at all unusual, full scholarship or otherwise, for black students to get into multiple Ivies and choose Howard or Spelman instead. College is an experience, not just an education.
Anonymous
03/06/2022 09:42
Subject: College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
What if you care about other things more than whether the country club folks will be impressed with the college sticker on your Range Rover?
Anonymous
03/06/2022 09:34
Subject: Re:College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
OP here.
Outcomes are very much kid-dependent so while it's somewhat helpful to look at admissions data, I'd love to hear more about the process/experience at these schools.
- Does anyone have experience with the process at these schools to compare? How are the counselors? How early do they start planning? Anything that really stands them apart?
- Do the co-curriculum experiences at Madeira help at all?
- Does going to a slightly "less competitive" HS mean there is less competition from peers for seats at top colleges? Fewer legacies applying ED?
There are a few things about Madeira that really appeal to DD. We want her to have a great HS experience, but we also want to understand the possible impacts to college admissions. She is legacy at a top 10 university but it sounds like legacy might not provide any advantage by the time she is applying.
Her type A parents would have just picked the most competitive HS, but she is way more chill/mature/brilliant than we are.
Outcomes are very much kid-dependent so while it's somewhat helpful to look at admissions data, I'd love to hear more about the process/experience at these schools.
- Does anyone have experience with the process at these schools to compare? How are the counselors? How early do they start planning? Anything that really stands them apart?
- Do the co-curriculum experiences at Madeira help at all?
- Does going to a slightly "less competitive" HS mean there is less competition from peers for seats at top colleges? Fewer legacies applying ED?
There are a few things about Madeira that really appeal to DD. We want her to have a great HS experience, but we also want to understand the possible impacts to college admissions. She is legacy at a top 10 university but it sounds like legacy might not provide any advantage by the time she is applying.
Her type A parents would have just picked the most competitive HS, but she is way more chill/mature/brilliant than we are.
Anonymous
03/06/2022 09:05
Subject: College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It varies year yo year but I do keep an eye on Potomac vs Holton. Potomac is markedly stronger, controlling for female vs female
Wrong! Holton has much better results. Too many Potomac grads go to UVA -- they could have saved $$ + gone to any public h.s.
Do you have any clue how competitive UVA is for northern Virginia applicants?
I know about UVA, but it is not aspirational for parents paying huge bucks for private.
UVA is an aspiration at Potomac and SSSA. But at Big 3 and DCand MD independents, it's not a goal.
Umm, yes it is. I’m a Potomac parent and I know lots of families who have wanted UVA from the beginning. I would be thrilled if one of my kids ended up there.
What I under from PP is that Big 3 students, as a rule, have their sights set on much higher ranked school than UVA. This seems implausible, and likely statistically impossible, given acceptance rates of top 20 schools combined with the number of Big 3 who attend Top 20 schools.
Anonymous
03/06/2022 09:04
Subject: College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
Potomac is coed. Of their list how many of those students are female?
Anonymous
03/06/2022 08:54
Subject: College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It varies year yo year but I do keep an eye on Potomac vs Holton. Potomac is markedly stronger, controlling for female vs female
Wrong! Holton has much better results. Too many Potomac grads go to UVA -- they could have saved $$ + gone to any public h.s.
Do you have any clue how competitive UVA is for northern Virginia applicants?
I know about UVA, but it is not aspirational for parents paying huge bucks for private.
UVA is an aspiration at Potomac and SSSA. But at Big 3 and DCand MD independents, it's not a goal.
Umm, yes it is. I’m a Potomac parent and I know lots of families who have wanted UVA from the beginning. I would be thrilled if one of my kids ended up there.
Anonymous
03/06/2022 08:36
Subject: College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is Madeira’s list. Literally no one should find this list unimpressive.
The University of Alabama (3)
American University (3)
Bates College (3)
Boston College (3)
Boston University (7)
California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo (4)
University of California, Berkeley (3)
University of California, Los Angeles (8)
University of California, Santa Barbara (3)
Carnegie Mellon University (5)
University of Chicago (6)
Claremont McKenna College (3)
Clemson University (3)
Colgate University (3)
College of Charleston (5)
Colorado College (3)
Cornell University (8)
Elon University (6)
University of Florida (4)
Fordham University (5)
George Washington University (3)
Georgetown University (4)
University of Georgia (3)
Georgia Institute of Technology (3)
Harvard University (3)
Johns Hopkins University (8)
Macalester College (3)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (4)
University of Miami (12)
New York University (15)
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (4)
Northwestern University (6)
Oberlin College (3)
University of Pennsylvania (4)
Pennsylvania State University (3)
Sarah Lawrence College (3)
Savannah College of Art and Design (3)
Smith College (3)
University of Southern California (3)
Southern Methodist University (3)
University of St Andrews (3)
Syracuse University (4)
Texas Christian University (3)
Tufts University (3)
Tulane University (11)
Vanderbilt University (4)
University of Virginia (20)
Virginia Commonwealth University (5)
Virginia Polytechnic Institute (10)
Wake Forest University (7)
William and Mary (18)
20 to UVA and 18 to W&M -- very good schools, of course, but wouldn't those have been possible with a big box nova high school and a library card?
Depends on a lot of things. To name a couple:
1. The HS. Ironically, it is easier to get into UVA from a NOVA public HS that has fewer top kids applying. So if you want to live in Springfield or Manassas, maybe. But from Langley, McLean, Madison etc, it’s very very difficult, probably less likely than from a top private like Potomac or Madeira.
2. The kid. Who is to say that kid A would do the same in a big box public HS with 3000 kids that they do in a smaller environment. My DC doesn’t go to either Potomac or Madeira, but we intentionally chose a small school with all-honors and higher classes so as to remove any temptation to coast through.
Anonymous
03/06/2022 08:26
Subject: College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It varies year yo year but I do keep an eye on Potomac vs Holton. Potomac is markedly stronger, controlling for female vs female
Wrong! Holton has much better results. Too many Potomac grads go to UVA -- they could have saved $$ + gone to any public h.s.
Do you have any clue how competitive UVA is for northern Virginia applicants?
I know about UVA, but it is not aspirational for parents paying huge bucks for private.
Umm, yes it is. I’m a Potomac parent and I know lots of families who have wanted UVA from the beginning. I would be thrilled if one of my kids ended up there.
It's ok to say that you too wanted UVA from the beginning.
Anonymous
03/06/2022 08:23
Subject: College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
Anonymous wrote:This is Madeira’s list. Literally no one should find this list unimpressive.
The University of Alabama (3)
American University (3)
Bates College (3)
Boston College (3)
Boston University (7)
California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo (4)
University of California, Berkeley (3)
University of California, Los Angeles (8)
University of California, Santa Barbara (3)
Carnegie Mellon University (5)
University of Chicago (6)
Claremont McKenna College (3)
Clemson University (3)
Colgate University (3)
College of Charleston (5)
Colorado College (3)
Cornell University (8)
Elon University (6)
University of Florida (4)
Fordham University (5)
George Washington University (3)
Georgetown University (4)
University of Georgia (3)
Georgia Institute of Technology (3)
Harvard University (3)
Johns Hopkins University (8)
Macalester College (3)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (4)
University of Miami (12)
New York University (15)
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (4)
Northwestern University (6)
Oberlin College (3)
University of Pennsylvania (4)
Pennsylvania State University (3)
Sarah Lawrence College (3)
Savannah College of Art and Design (3)
Smith College (3)
University of Southern California (3)
Southern Methodist University (3)
University of St Andrews (3)
Syracuse University (4)
Texas Christian University (3)
Tufts University (3)
Tulane University (11)
Vanderbilt University (4)
University of Virginia (20)
Virginia Commonwealth University (5)
Virginia Polytechnic Institute (10)
Wake Forest University (7)
William and Mary (18)
20 to UVA and 18 to W&M -- very good schools, of course, but wouldn't those have been possible with a big box nova high school and a library card?
Anonymous
03/06/2022 08:21
Subject: College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It varies year yo year but I do keep an eye on Potomac vs Holton. Potomac is markedly stronger, controlling for female vs female
Wrong! Holton has much better results. Too many Potomac grads go to UVA -- they could have saved $$ + gone to any public h.s.
Do you have any clue how competitive UVA is for northern Virginia applicants?
I know about UVA, but it is not aspirational for parents paying huge bucks for private.
Yes it is.
Anonymous
03/06/2022 08:16
Subject: College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
That is 2017-2021? Is that right?
Anonymous
03/06/2022 08:09
Subject: College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
This is Madeira’s list. Literally no one should find this list unimpressive.
The University of Alabama (3)
American University (3)
Bates College (3)
Boston College (3)
Boston University (7)
California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo (4)
University of California, Berkeley (3)
University of California, Los Angeles (8)
University of California, Santa Barbara (3)
Carnegie Mellon University (5)
University of Chicago (6)
Claremont McKenna College (3)
Clemson University (3)
Colgate University (3)
College of Charleston (5)
Colorado College (3)
Cornell University (8)
Elon University (6)
University of Florida (4)
Fordham University (5)
George Washington University (3)
Georgetown University (4)
University of Georgia (3)
Georgia Institute of Technology (3)
Harvard University (3)
Johns Hopkins University (8)
Macalester College (3)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (4)
University of Miami (12)
New York University (15)
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (4)
Northwestern University (6)
Oberlin College (3)
University of Pennsylvania (4)
Pennsylvania State University (3)
Sarah Lawrence College (3)
Savannah College of Art and Design (3)
Smith College (3)
University of Southern California (3)
Southern Methodist University (3)
University of St Andrews (3)
Syracuse University (4)
Texas Christian University (3)
Tufts University (3)
Tulane University (11)
Vanderbilt University (4)
University of Virginia (20)
Virginia Commonwealth University (5)
Virginia Polytechnic Institute (10)
Wake Forest University (7)
William and Mary (18)
The University of Alabama (3)
American University (3)
Bates College (3)
Boston College (3)
Boston University (7)
California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo (4)
University of California, Berkeley (3)
University of California, Los Angeles (8)
University of California, Santa Barbara (3)
Carnegie Mellon University (5)
University of Chicago (6)
Claremont McKenna College (3)
Clemson University (3)
Colgate University (3)
College of Charleston (5)
Colorado College (3)
Cornell University (8)
Elon University (6)
University of Florida (4)
Fordham University (5)
George Washington University (3)
Georgetown University (4)
University of Georgia (3)
Georgia Institute of Technology (3)
Harvard University (3)
Johns Hopkins University (8)
Macalester College (3)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (4)
University of Miami (12)
New York University (15)
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (4)
Northwestern University (6)
Oberlin College (3)
University of Pennsylvania (4)
Pennsylvania State University (3)
Sarah Lawrence College (3)
Savannah College of Art and Design (3)
Smith College (3)
University of Southern California (3)
Southern Methodist University (3)
University of St Andrews (3)
Syracuse University (4)
Texas Christian University (3)
Tufts University (3)
Tulane University (11)
Vanderbilt University (4)
University of Virginia (20)
Virginia Commonwealth University (5)
Virginia Polytechnic Institute (10)
Wake Forest University (7)
William and Mary (18)
Anonymous
03/06/2022 08:02
Subject: College admissions from Potomac v Holton v Madeira?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It varies year yo year but I do keep an eye on Potomac vs Holton. Potomac is markedly stronger, controlling for female vs female
Wrong! Holton has much better results. Too many Potomac grads go to UVA -- they could have saved $$ + gone to any public h.s.
last 4 year
Holton avg 77 students-
Harvard - 5
Yale - 2
Princeton - 4
Stanford - 3
calTech - 0
Holton avg 108 studnet -
Harvard - 12
Yale - 3
Princeton - 4
Stanford - 8
calTech - 1
statistically more Potomac kids going to elite universities.
Nobody got into Columbia, Dartmouth, UPenn? What about top SLACs?
MIT? Johns Hopkins? Duke?
What a joke!