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Anonymous wrote:DD had a teacher who expressed stereotypical views against certain racial groups. She would make comments about how certain students must be good at certain sports or other students must be good at math/science. She was an English teacher and it was obvious she felt only one group was good at writing. I spent the whole year wondering how to bring this up to the school and never did because it is such a difficult topic but I now spend way too much time thinking about how much I regret not raising it.

There must be many teachers like this who feel strongly on all political sides and most of them set aside their. biases when they walk into the classrooms but not all. I think more should be done to try to address this problem especially given what is going on with the whole critical race theory issue and the book banning nowadays.

That's the thing - if people don't want ideas on one side of the political spectrum in the classroom, they have to keep other sides out too. That's the whole idea of a viewpoint neutral classroom
-conservative who is very disgusted by what happened to OP's kid

Anonymous wrote:DC has a teacher with known conservative views on many social issues (pro-choice, against gay marriage, aligned with groups that do not believe in affirmative action or kids who are trans using their preferred gender bathroom) based on previous advocacy work.

This year DC wrote what we thought was an excellent paper related to about a particular historical moment in the LGBT rights movement, and got a poor grade. When she got the rubric and grading back many items that were marked off did not make any sense. When she tried to inquire with the teacher the teacher was very defensive and kept coming back to the point that the teacher did not agree with the thesis. The teacher also came down on DC for not presenting the other view point which is that LGBT rights are not a good thing. DC did mention that there is opposition from some groups, especially religious groups, but it was not half her paper because the assignment was not to present all sides of an issue but to pick a moment and make an argument about it. One of my good friends is a HS teacher and read the assignment and paper and was shocked about the grade and thought this needed to be brought up to the administration.

We are not sure what to advise DC to do next if anything. Is this something you would bring up and how would you do it? Would you go to the teacher first? The department head or the principal? This is a public school.

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Anonymous wrote:Liberal teachers are biased, too. Except their bias is tolerated in teachers' lounges.

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And in the classroom and in the hallways.

You really enjoy your Fox News fantasies of teachers running through the hallways shaming straight white kids. In reality, teachers just want their students to listen, follow basic directions, and submit work on time. They don’t even have time or resources to implement their radical socialist CRT agendas!

It's not about indoctrination. Our kids' experience has been in the classroom with teachers showing their clear biases, siding with the majority of classmates who share their opinions, and our kids not feeling comfortable participating in the class discussions as the sole differing voice. What I especially object to is this type of thing happening in classes that shouldn't have anything to do with the subject matter being taught.

PP -- and I'll add that Fox news is banned in our house; so no, it's not my enjoyment of Fantasy Fox. It's my kid's more conservative values and opinions being shut down by clearly liberal teachers and not feeling comfortable participating in class discussions, even in subjects where such discussions should be taking place like history and world affairs.

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I would not have triggered such a stubbornly-prejudiced teacher with such a topic, OP!

Your child has to learn socio-emotional intelligence, and consider whether it is worth their while to provoke someone in authority and what they expect to gain from that action.

Now the deed is done, you cannot let the teacher's unfair decision slide. Please contact the Principal, produce the paper, and make your case.

I've told my kids the same. As far as teachers go, give them what they want & tell them what they want to hear. Get your A and move on with life.

Teacher here. This is what I’ve told my own children. Part of life is figuring out your audience.

I suspect the teacher said the paper didn’t contain a sufficient counter-argument, which is likely on the rubric for any persuasive assignment.

I’m the teacher PP and this is true. If OP’s kid is in high school this may be SOL prep. The writing SOL, which is always persuasive writing, does require a counter argument. So the teacher may not be saying “you personally need to consider why gay people shouldn’t have rights “ but “your thesis says they should and you lack a counter argument that is necessary to be considered to have met the standards of this assessment.”

Naive question from an old-timer who graduated decades ago: if it's supposed to be a persuasive argument, why does it require including the counter-argument - other than to dispute opposing points? When you're trying to persuade someone to your opinion, you would focus on the rationale for your opinion rather than the rationale of opposing opinions.

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I would not have triggered such a stubbornly-prejudiced teacher with such a topic, OP!

Your child has to learn socio-emotional intelligence, and consider whether it is worth their while to provoke someone in authority and what they expect to gain from that action.

Now the deed is done, you cannot let the teacher's unfair decision slide. Please contact the Principal, produce the paper, and make your case.

I've told my kids the same. As far as teachers go, give them what they want & tell them what they want to hear. Get your A and move on with life.

Teacher here. This is what I’ve told my own children. Part of life is figuring out your audience.

I suspect the teacher said the paper didn’t contain a sufficient counter-argument, which is likely on the rubric for any persuasive assignment.

I’m the teacher PP and this is true. If OP’s kid is in high school this may be SOL prep. The writing SOL, which is always persuasive writing, does require a counter argument. So the teacher may not be saying “you personally need to consider why gay people shouldn’t have rights “ but “your thesis says they should and you lack a counter argument that is necessary to be considered to have met the standards of this assessment.”

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Anonymous wrote:Liberal teachers are biased, too. Except their bias is tolerated in teachers' lounges.

+1
And in the classroom and in the hallways.

You really enjoy your Fox News fantasies of teachers running through the hallways shaming straight white kids. In reality, teachers just want their students to listen, follow basic directions, and submit work on time. They don’t even have time or resources to implement their radical socialist CRT agendas!

It's not about indoctrination. Our kids' experience has been in the classroom with teachers showing their clear biases, siding with the majority of classmates who share their opinions, and our kids not feeling comfortable participating in the class discussions as the sole differing voice. What I especially object to is this type of thing happening in classes that shouldn't have anything to do with the subject matter being taught.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Liberal teachers are biased, too. Except their bias is tolerated in teachers' lounges.

+1
And in the classroom and in the hallways.

You really enjoy your Fox News fantasies of teachers running through the hallways shaming straight white kids. In reality, teachers just want their students to listen, follow basic directions, and submit work on time. They don’t even have time or resources to implement their radical socialist CRT agendas!

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I would not have triggered such a stubbornly-prejudiced teacher with such a topic, OP!

Your child has to learn socio-emotional intelligence, and consider whether it is worth their while to provoke someone in authority and what they expect to gain from that action.

Now the deed is done, you cannot let the teacher's unfair decision slide. Please contact the Principal, produce the paper, and make your case.

I've told my kids the same. As far as teachers go, give them what they want & tell them what they want to hear. Get your A and move on with life.

Teacher here. This is what I’ve told my own children. Part of life is figuring out your audience.

I suspect the teacher said the paper didn’t contain a sufficient counter-argument, which is likely on the rubric for any persuasive assignment.

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Anonymous wrote:DC has a teacher with known conservative views on many social issues (pro-choice, against gay marriage, aligned with groups that do not believe in affirmative action or kids who are trans using their preferred gender bathroom) based on previous advocacy work.

This year DC wrote what we thought was an excellent paper related to about a particular historical moment in the LGBT rights movement, and got a poor grade. When she got the rubric and grading back many items that were marked off did not make any sense. When she tried to inquire with the teacher the teacher was very defensive and kept coming back to the point that the teacher did not agree with the thesis. The teacher also came down on DC for not presenting the other view point which is that LGBT rights are not a good thing. DC did mention that there is opposition from some groups, especially religious groups, but it was not half her paper because the assignment was not to present all sides of an issue but to pick a moment and make an argument about it. One of my good friends is a HS teacher and read the assignment and paper and was shocked about the grade and thought this needed to be brought up to the administration.

We are not sure what to advise DC to do next if anything. Is this something you would bring up and how would you do it? Would you go to the teacher first? The department head or the principal? This is a public school.

Teachers with rainbow hair and nose bullrings can share their sexuality and orientation like it’s all good but someone who opposes wokeism is wrong. Goooooootcha

Oops, you typed “wokeism” (and all that other drivel). Your low IQ is showing.

Anonymous wrote:OP - If you kid is in high school, I don't think you should do anything. Have your child go his/her/their counselor and speak with the counselor about the issue. They are trained to deal with these issues and if warranted, will address the issue with the department head.

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Anonymous wrote:DC has a teacher with known conservative views on many social issues (pro-choice, against gay marriage, aligned with groups that do not believe in affirmative action or kids who are trans using their preferred gender bathroom) based on previous advocacy work.

This year DC wrote what we thought was an excellent paper related to about a particular historical moment in the LGBT rights movement, and got a poor grade. When she got the rubric and grading back many items that were marked off did not make any sense. When she tried to inquire with the teacher the teacher was very defensive and kept coming back to the point that the teacher did not agree with the thesis. The teacher also came down on DC for not presenting the other view point which is that LGBT rights are not a good thing. DC did mention that there is opposition from some groups, especially religious groups, but it was not half her paper because the assignment was not to present all sides of an issue but to pick a moment and make an argument about it. One of my good friends is a HS teacher and read the assignment and paper and was shocked about the grade and thought this needed to be brought up to the administration.

We are not sure what to advise DC to do next if anything. Is this something you would bring up and how would you do it? Would you go to the teacher first? The department head or the principal? This is a public school.

Teachers with rainbow hair and nose bullrings can share their sexuality and orientation like it’s all good but someone who opposes wokeism is wrong. Goooooootcha

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Anonymous wrote:Liberal teachers are biased, too. Except their bias is tolerated in teachers' lounges.

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And in the classroom and in the hallways.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I would not have triggered such a stubbornly-prejudiced teacher with such a topic, OP!

Your child has to learn socio-emotional intelligence, and consider whether it is worth their while to provoke someone in authority and what they expect to gain from that action.

Now the deed is done, you cannot let the teacher's unfair decision slide. Please contact the Principal, produce the paper, and make your case.

I've told my kids the same. As far as teachers go, give them what they want & tell them what they want to hear. Get your A and move on with life.

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Anonymous wrote:DC has a teacher with known conservative views on many social issues (pro-choice, against gay marriage, aligned with groups that do not believe in affirmative action or kids who are trans using their preferred gender bathroom) based on previous advocacy work.

This year DC wrote what we thought was an excellent paper related to about a particular historical moment in the LGBT rights movement, and got a poor grade. When she got the rubric and grading back many items that were marked off did not make any sense. When she tried to inquire with the teacher the teacher was very defensive and kept coming back to the point that the teacher did not agree with the thesis. The teacher also came down on DC for not presenting the other view point which is that LGBT rights are not a good thing. DC did mention that there is opposition from some groups, especially religious groups, but it was not half her paper because the assignment was not to present all sides of an issue but to pick a moment and make an argument about it. One of my good friends is a HS teacher and read the assignment and paper and was shocked about the grade and thought this needed to be brought up to the administration.

We are not sure what to advise DC to do next if anything. Is this something you would bring up and how would you do it? Would you go to the teacher first? The department head or the principal? This is a public school.

You think the paper is wonderful because it represents your point of view and you feel that you are proving to the teacher she is wrong. The paper in fact could suck. Just depends. Does the rubric say to provide opposing viewpoints and explain them? Refute them? Teens' ideas of refuting an argument can be based on feelings but maybe the point was to refute the arguments with actual facts and citations. Even so they might pick the wrong facts that don't actually refute argument. It's still a learning process.

Your friend of course is going to tell you the paper is brilliant even if she doesn't think so.

Other posters are right, you and your DD just want the teacher to be wrong. It's a waste of time. Don't teach your kid this kind of nonsense. They don't need to try and fix the teachers view points. That's not her responsibility and it's not even possible. Do your kid a favor and just tell them yeah this wasn't the right approach, learn to tread your audience, and don't waste any more time on this.