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Anonymous wrote:What happened with Brown? Why a washout?

An oversized number of kids applied ED and none were admitted and several were rejected outright.

Seems like Brown is sending a message to the Sidwell - you're letting too many apply.

Why is Brown so popular? It's a good school but not stupendously great compared to some others.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened with Brown? Why a washout?

An oversized number of kids applied ED and none were admitted and several were rejected outright.

Seems like Brown is sending a message to the Sidwell - you're letting too many apply.

I heard that something like 15 kids from Sidwell applied early to Brown. There's no way that all 15 were in the top 20% of the class (or whatever a reasonable cut-off for an Ivy acceptance is).
So basically you had a lot of kids/parents with inflated sense of their own desirability and Brown responded by cancelling out the entire group.
Sidwell should really limit where kids can apply (like Andover and Exeter do) if this is what happens.

Why? Each application is evaluated on its own. Colleges do not send messages to schools or groups of students like this. They are happy to take the application fee and read anything that they want to submit. There is no way that a HS should ever limit who or how many kids can apply to one school. If Johnny wants to blow his ED on a school that he is not really qualified for, who else's business is that?

Sidwell is doing a MASSIVE disservice if they are not honestly advising on the reality of a student's ED chances, particularly if that student is not a target candidate for a particular school. I find it hard to believe all 15 had a real shot at ED.

Given the 0 for 15 outcome, I think Brown is sending a pretty clear message: we expect you to curate. This happens through brutally honest advising. Brown has different expectations for Sidwell administration than, say, kid randomly applying from MCPS high schools.

Yes. At a school like Sidwell you probably have 25 rockstar kids with a GPA 3.7 and above. Those are the ones who should *MAYBE* be applying early to Brown. If 15 total applied to Brown then you know then PLENTY of the kids were applying to Brown were not in this top group and likely had a GPA of 3.6 or whatever. Now come on. You don't need college counseling advice to know that your 3.6 kid is not going to Brown ESPECIALLY since Sidwell only sends about 2 kids to Brown each year. But your 3.6 kid is going to be chosen? RIGHT.

Parents ruined this by being in la-la-land about their own children's desirability to an elite college. Brown responded by saying----"CURATE THE LIST SIDWELL".

The question I have - why the h#ll did so many apply ED to Brown? There's a bunch of other Ivies and great schools. You'd think there would be a smoother distribution of ED selections. But....Brown?

Brown because it’s the cool ivy

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Anonymous wrote:there was no confusion about this

I understand that is what you say. But then why are enough parents confused that Lauren needed to send an email out about it today?

They're not confused. They're worried because their kids aren't placed yet and are pushing the CCO to do more.

Placed yet??? What an entitled description of college admissions.

I'm sorry, sweetheart, what word would you prefer?

Does the CCO place students?

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Anonymous wrote:What happened with Brown? Why a washout?

An oversized number of kids applied ED and none were admitted and several were rejected outright.

Seems like Brown is sending a message to the Sidwell - you're letting too many apply.

I heard that something like 15 kids from Sidwell applied early to Brown. There's no way that all 15 were in the top 20% of the class (or whatever a reasonable cut-off for an Ivy acceptance is).
So basically you had a lot of kids/parents with inflated sense of their own desirability and Brown responded by cancelling out the entire group.
Sidwell should really limit where kids can apply (like Andover and Exeter do) if this is what happens.

Why? Each application is evaluated on its own. Colleges do not send messages to schools or groups of students like this. They are happy to take the application fee and read anything that they want to submit. There is no way that a HS should ever limit who or how many kids can apply to one school. If Johnny wants to blow his ED on a school that he is not really qualified for, who else's business is that?

Sidwell is doing a MASSIVE disservice if they are not honestly advising on the reality of a student's ED chances, particularly if that student is not a target candidate for a particular school. I find it hard to believe all 15 had a real shot at ED.

Given the 0 for 15 outcome, I think Brown is sending a pretty clear message: we expect you to curate. This happens through brutally honest advising. Brown has different expectations for Sidwell administration than, say, kid randomly applying from MCPS high schools.

Yes. At a school like Sidwell you probably have 25 rockstar kids with a GPA 3.7 and above. Those are the ones who should *MAYBE* be applying early to Brown. If 15 total applied to Brown then you know then PLENTY of the kids were applying to Brown were not in this top group and likely had a GPA of 3.6 or whatever. Now come on. You don't need college counseling advice to know that your 3.6 kid is not going to Brown ESPECIALLY since Sidwell only sends about 2 kids to Brown each year. But your 3.6 kid is going to be chosen? RIGHT.

Parents ruined this by being in la-la-land about their own children's desirability to an elite college. Brown responded by saying----"CURATE THE LIST SIDWELL".

The question I have - why the h#ll did so many apply ED to Brown? There's a bunch of other Ivies and great schools. You'd think there would be a smoother distribution of ED selections. But....Brown?

Yes, it's just bizarre that this happened especially since since in a typical year only 1 or 2 kids from Sidwell attend Brown. Where was the giant disconnect?

So how would Sidwell put this into effect? Does anyone know how this happens @ Andover, etc?

My DCs attend a simllar school in another metro area - more kids applied to Brown, but at least some got in. (Side note: i think this may have happened at multiple schools with seniors applying to Brown this year - something in the air). Their CCO would not dissuade folks from their EDs, even if it were 15 (or more). Some CCO counselors will be more forthright with their advisees than others. Our DC's counselor was fairly straightforward about prospects, DC adjusted list, applied ED to a low reach, and got in. Other friends' DCs did not get that kind of advice (unless they had this advisor), so small train wrecks in ED for some of them.

I would be curious to know how schools can curate the list.

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How COVID can wipe out memories of an article that was written not too long ago....

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Anonymous wrote:What happened with Brown? Why a washout?

An oversized number of kids applied ED and none were admitted and several were rejected outright.

Seems like Brown is sending a message to the Sidwell - you're letting too many apply.

I heard that something like 15 kids from Sidwell applied early to Brown. There's no way that all 15 were in the top 20% of the class (or whatever a reasonable cut-off for an Ivy acceptance is).
So basically you had a lot of kids/parents with inflated sense of their own desirability and Brown responded by cancelling out the entire group.
Sidwell should really limit where kids can apply (like Andover and Exeter do) if this is what happens.

Why? Each application is evaluated on its own. Colleges do not send messages to schools or groups of students like this. They are happy to take the application fee and read anything that they want to submit. There is no way that a HS should ever limit who or how many kids can apply to one school. If Johnny wants to blow his ED on a school that he is not really qualified for, who else's business is that?

Sidwell is doing a MASSIVE disservice if they are not honestly advising on the reality of a student's ED chances, particularly if that student is not a target candidate for a particular school. I find it hard to believe all 15 had a real shot at ED.

Given the 0 for 15 outcome, I think Brown is sending a pretty clear message: we expect you to curate. This happens through brutally honest advising. Brown has different expectations for Sidwell administration than, say, kid randomly applying from MCPS high schools.

Yes. At a school like Sidwell you probably have 25 rockstar kids with a GPA 3.7 and above. Those are the ones who should *MAYBE* be applying early to Brown. If 15 total applied to Brown then you know then PLENTY of the kids were applying to Brown were not in this top group and likely had a GPA of 3.6 or whatever. Now come on. You don't need college counseling advice to know that your 3.6 kid is not going to Brown ESPECIALLY since Sidwell only sends about 2 kids to Brown each year. But your 3.6 kid is going to be chosen? RIGHT.

Parents ruined this by being in la-la-land about their own children's desirability to an elite college. Brown responded by saying----"CURATE THE LIST SIDWELL".

The question I have - why the h#ll did so many apply ED to Brown? There's a bunch of other Ivies and great schools. You'd think there would be a smoother distribution of ED selections. But....Brown?

Yes, it's just bizarre that this happened especially since since in a typical year only 1 or 2 kids from Sidwell attend Brown. Where was the giant disconnect?

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Anonymous wrote:What happened with Brown? Why a washout?

An oversized number of kids applied ED and none were admitted and several were rejected outright.

Seems like Brown is sending a message to the Sidwell - you're letting too many apply.

I heard that something like 15 kids from Sidwell applied early to Brown. There's no way that all 15 were in the top 20% of the class (or whatever a reasonable cut-off for an Ivy acceptance is).
So basically you had a lot of kids/parents with inflated sense of their own desirability and Brown responded by cancelling out the entire group.
Sidwell should really limit where kids can apply (like Andover and Exeter do) if this is what happens.

Why? Each application is evaluated on its own. Colleges do not send messages to schools or groups of students like this. They are happy to take the application fee and read anything that they want to submit. There is no way that a HS should ever limit who or how many kids can apply to one school. If Johnny wants to blow his ED on a school that he is not really qualified for, who else's business is that?

Sidwell is doing a MASSIVE disservice if they are not honestly advising on the reality of a student's ED chances, particularly if that student is not a target candidate for a particular school. I find it hard to believe all 15 had a real shot at ED.

Given the 0 for 15 outcome, I think Brown is sending a pretty clear message: we expect you to curate. This happens through brutally honest advising. Brown has different expectations for Sidwell administration than, say, kid randomly applying from MCPS high schools.

Yes. At a school like Sidwell you probably have 25 rockstar kids with a GPA 3.7 and above. Those are the ones who should *MAYBE* be applying early to Brown. If 15 total applied to Brown then you know then PLENTY of the kids were applying to Brown were not in this top group and likely had a GPA of 3.6 or whatever. Now come on. You don't need college counseling advice to know that your 3.6 kid is not going to Brown ESPECIALLY since Sidwell only sends about 2 kids to Brown each year. But your 3.6 kid is going to be chosen? RIGHT.

Parents ruined this by being in la-la-land about their own children's desirability to an elite college. Brown responded by saying----"CURATE THE LIST SIDWELL".

The question I have - why the h#ll did so many apply ED to Brown? There's a bunch of other Ivies and great schools. You'd think there would be a smoother distribution of ED selections. But....Brown?

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Anonymous wrote:there was no confusion about this

I understand that is what you say. But then why are enough parents confused that Lauren needed to send an email out about it today?

They're not confused. They're worried because their kids aren't placed yet and are pushing the CCO to do more.

Placed yet??? What an entitled description of college admissions.

I'm sorry, sweetheart, what word would you prefer?

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Anonymous wrote:there was no confusion about this

I understand that is what you say. But then why are enough parents confused that Lauren needed to send an email out about it today?

They're not confused. They're worried because their kids aren't placed yet and are pushing the CCO to do more.

Placed yet??? What an entitled description of college admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened with Brown? Why a washout?

An oversized number of kids applied ED and none were admitted and several were rejected outright.

Seems like Brown is sending a message to the Sidwell - you're letting too many apply.

I heard that something like 15 kids from Sidwell applied early to Brown. There's no way that all 15 were in the top 20% of the class (or whatever a reasonable cut-off for an Ivy acceptance is).
So basically you had a lot of kids/parents with inflated sense of their own desirability and Brown responded by cancelling out the entire group.
Sidwell should really limit where kids can apply (like Andover and Exeter do) if this is what happens.

Why? Each application is evaluated on its own. Colleges do not send messages to schools or groups of students like this. They are happy to take the application fee and read anything that they want to submit. There is no way that a HS should ever limit who or how many kids can apply to one school. If Johnny wants to blow his ED on a school that he is not really qualified for, who else's business is that?

Sidwell is doing a MASSIVE disservice if they are not honestly advising on the reality of a student's ED chances, particularly if that student is not a target candidate for a particular school. I find it hard to believe all 15 had a real shot at ED.

Given the 0 for 15 outcome, I think Brown is sending a pretty clear message: we expect you to curate. This happens through brutally honest advising. Brown has different expectations for Sidwell administration than, say, kid randomly applying from MCPS high schools.

Yes. At a school like Sidwell you probably have 25 rockstar kids with a GPA 3.7 and above. Those are the ones who should *MAYBE* be applying early to Brown. If 15 total applied to Brown then you know then PLENTY of the kids were applying to Brown were not in this top group and likely had a GPA of 3.6 or whatever. Now come on. You don't need college counseling advice to know that your 3.6 kid is not going to Brown ESPECIALLY since Sidwell only sends about 2 kids to Brown each year. But your 3.6 kid is going to be chosen? RIGHT.

Parents ruined this by being in la-la-land about their own children's desirability to an elite college. Brown responded by saying----"CURATE THE LIST SIDWELL".

If you honestly believe this, I don't know what to tell you. I just hope you're on your youngest kid and you don't have to put yourself through this process again.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened with Brown? Why a washout?

An oversized number of kids applied ED and none were admitted and several were rejected outright.

Seems like Brown is sending a message to the Sidwell - you're letting too many apply.

I heard that something like 15 kids from Sidwell applied early to Brown. There's no way that all 15 were in the top 20% of the class (or whatever a reasonable cut-off for an Ivy acceptance is).
So basically you had a lot of kids/parents with inflated sense of their own desirability and Brown responded by cancelling out the entire group.
Sidwell should really limit where kids can apply (like Andover and Exeter do) if this is what happens.

Why? Each application is evaluated on its own. Colleges do not send messages to schools or groups of students like this. They are happy to take the application fee and read anything that they want to submit. There is no way that a HS should ever limit who or how many kids can apply to one school. If Johnny wants to blow his ED on a school that he is not really qualified for, who else's business is that?

Sidwell is doing a MASSIVE disservice if they are not honestly advising on the reality of a student's ED chances, particularly if that student is not a target candidate for a particular school. I find it hard to believe all 15 had a real shot at ED.

Given the 0 for 15 outcome, I think Brown is sending a pretty clear message: we expect you to curate. This happens through brutally honest advising. Brown has different expectations for Sidwell administration than, say, kid randomly applying from MCPS high schools.

How do you know they didn't advise them? Surely you're not suggesting that they literally prevent a student from applying to a specific school? Who are they to make that decision, or to "curate" as you put it? That is the AO's job.

Look, I'm sorry your kid didn't get in. But it is very unfair to blame the Sidwell CCO for that. Brown is a long shot for ANY kid and Sidwell does not have a birthright to a certain number of slots. I'm sure your child was qualified, but, as we've heard a thousand times, every school in the country could fill multiple freshman classes with "qualified" kids. And if Brown didn't want your DC - well, screw 'em. It's an overrated school anyway.

DP here. The view among seniors is that they did not advise them. I know that my senior who did not apply to Brown is unhappy with the office on behalf of their friends/classmates and that others have the same opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened with Brown? Why a washout?

An oversized number of kids applied ED and none were admitted and several were rejected outright.

Seems like Brown is sending a message to the Sidwell - you're letting too many apply.

I heard that something like 15 kids from Sidwell applied early to Brown. There's no way that all 15 were in the top 20% of the class (or whatever a reasonable cut-off for an Ivy acceptance is).
So basically you had a lot of kids/parents with inflated sense of their own desirability and Brown responded by cancelling out the entire group.
Sidwell should really limit where kids can apply (like Andover and Exeter do) if this is what happens.

Why? Each application is evaluated on its own. Colleges do not send messages to schools or groups of students like this. They are happy to take the application fee and read anything that they want to submit. There is no way that a HS should ever limit who or how many kids can apply to one school. If Johnny wants to blow his ED on a school that he is not really qualified for, who else's business is that?

Sidwell is doing a MASSIVE disservice if they are not honestly advising on the reality of a student's ED chances, particularly if that student is not a target candidate for a particular school. I find it hard to believe all 15 had a real shot at ED.

Given the 0 for 15 outcome, I think Brown is sending a pretty clear message: we expect you to curate. This happens through brutally honest advising. Brown has different expectations for Sidwell administration than, say, kid randomly applying from MCPS high schools.

Yes. At a school like Sidwell you probably have 25 rockstar kids with a GPA 3.7 and above. Those are the ones who should *MAYBE* be applying early to Brown. If 15 total applied to Brown then you know then PLENTY of the kids were applying to Brown were not in this top group and likely had a GPA of 3.6 or whatever. Now come on. You don't need college counseling advice to know that your 3.6 kid is not going to Brown ESPECIALLY since Sidwell only sends about 2 kids to Brown each year. But your 3.6 kid is going to be chosen? RIGHT.

Parents ruined this by being in la-la-land about their own children's desirability to an elite college. Brown responded by saying----"CURATE THE LIST SIDWELL".

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Anonymous wrote:What happened with Brown? Why a washout?

An oversized number of kids applied ED and none were admitted and several were rejected outright.

Seems like Brown is sending a message to the Sidwell - you're letting too many apply.

I heard that something like 15 kids from Sidwell applied early to Brown. There's no way that all 15 were in the top 20% of the class (or whatever a reasonable cut-off for an Ivy acceptance is).
So basically you had a lot of kids/parents with inflated sense of their own desirability and Brown responded by cancelling out the entire group.
Sidwell should really limit where kids can apply (like Andover and Exeter do) if this is what happens.

Why? Each application is evaluated on its own. Colleges do not send messages to schools or groups of students like this. They are happy to take the application fee and read anything that they want to submit. There is no way that a HS should ever limit who or how many kids can apply to one school. If Johnny wants to blow his ED on a school that he is not really qualified for, who else's business is that?

Sidwell is doing a MASSIVE disservice if they are not honestly advising on the reality of a student's ED chances, particularly if that student is not a target candidate for a particular school. I find it hard to believe all 15 had a real shot at ED.

Given the 0 for 15 outcome, I think Brown is sending a pretty clear message: we expect you to curate. This happens through brutally honest advising. Brown has different expectations for Sidwell administration than, say, kid randomly applying from MCPS high schools.

How do you know they didn't advise them? Surely you're not suggesting that they literally prevent a student from applying to a specific school? Who are they to make that decision, or to "curate" as you put it? That is the AO's job.

Look, I'm sorry your kid didn't get in. But it is very unfair to blame the Sidwell CCO for that. Brown is a long shot for ANY kid and Sidwell does not have a birthright to a certain number of slots. I'm sure your child was qualified, but, as we've heard a thousand times, every school in the country could fill multiple freshman classes with "qualified" kids. And if Brown didn't want your DC - well, screw 'em. It's an overrated school anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened with Brown? Why a washout?

An oversized number of kids applied ED and none were admitted and several were rejected outright.

Seems like Brown is sending a message to the Sidwell - you're letting too many apply.

I heard that something like 15 kids from Sidwell applied early to Brown. There's no way that all 15 were in the top 20% of the class (or whatever a reasonable cut-off for an Ivy acceptance is).
So basically you had a lot of kids/parents with inflated sense of their own desirability and Brown responded by cancelling out the entire group.
Sidwell should really limit where kids can apply (like Andover and Exeter do) if this is what happens.

Why? Each application is evaluated on its own. Colleges do not send messages to schools or groups of students like this. They are happy to take the application fee and read anything that they want to submit. There is no way that a HS should ever limit who or how many kids can apply to one school. If Johnny wants to blow his ED on a school that he is not really qualified for, who else's business is that?

Sidwell is doing a MASSIVE disservice if they are not honestly advising on the reality of a student's ED chances, particularly if that student is not a target candidate for a particular school. I find it hard to believe all 15 had a real shot at ED.

Given the 0 for 15 outcome, I think Brown is sending a pretty clear message: we expect you to curate. This happens through brutally honest advising. Brown has different expectations for Sidwell administration than, say, kid randomly applying from MCPS high schools.