Anonymous wrote:To begin with, just know that I have faith. My faith is very personal to me and I discuss it with no one. I do not believe that it's necessary to clue people in on my faith. I don't think that's how faith works (unless you are in an environment - eg a house of worship - where faith is integral to your experience/belonging there).

I work with a woman who's annoying in some ways - always trying to one-up others, says "I don't really tell people this but my husband's on the board" (you actually do tell us this all the time), and generally sucks the air out of the room. Self-involved is a good descriptor. Something she does frequently is talk about how much she loves Jesus, how she's praying for us, etc etc. I notice this kind of behavior generally from (white, evangelical) Christians. I find it extraordinarily grating. We get it. You're a Christian. It's as though the person - and I'm not just referring to my colleague - is trying to gain kudos for proclaiming their faith. It feels tacky and superficial. Anyone else have this observation?

"Actually, you've mentioned that several times now."

As for the preachy stuff - ignore. She's probably been taught that she has to spread the word. Don't react or respond. However -

I have an obvious physical disability. I used to work with a woman who would routinely grab my hand and say "I'm praying for you" if I was moving slower than usual. Finally I said "First of all, don't grab me, it affects my balance. Second - can you pray without continually telling me about it? Thanks."

Usually though, just ignore. "I'm praying for you" is almost an automatic response for some people.

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus never said that Government should feed the people.

We need to take care of the poor, we need to help the poor, and we need to make sure that all people are treated equally, but if you examine the issue of mission trips, churches and religious people do a better job of helping those in need than governments.

Jesus does not ask people to give up their money. He talked about being humble not being about being rich. Poverty is not a blessing. Being humble is a blessing. Many times money can make a person feel that they are more important or entitled than another person. This is what Jesus was talking about. It is a very far jump to advocate for redistribution to the government for them to take over your life.

What? I think that certainly is the implication of Matthew 19:21:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

The Bible makes it clear that possession of wealth involves responsibility, including a responsibility to be compassionate to the poor. But the Bible doesn’t say that all Christians should sell everything they have and give the proceeds to the poor. The hearts of some people, like the rich young ruler’s heart, may require such drastic measures. But for others, giving away everything would be an act of poor stewardship—an unwillingness to make wise, compassionate use of the gifts given by God.

https://questions.org/attq/does-jesus-expect-his-followers-to-give-up-all-of-their-possessions/

What? That's exactly what Matthew 19:21 says.

Matthew 19:21 is specifically about the conversation Jesus had with a very wealthy young ruler/King.

This man loved his wealth and possessions above all.

The advice Jesus gave that man was for that man to replace his love for his wealth and possessions in his heart, not advice for Christians to impoverish their families and beg for food and shelter themselves to prove they are righteous.

A wealthy young man came to Jesus and asked what special deeds he should do to gain eternal life. Jesus responded that there was no need to ask him, because God had already told him in the Ten Commandments what he should do (Matthew 19:16-19). The man boasted that he had kept most of the commandments, but Jesus saw that at least he had failed in the last, which said ‘Do not covet’. While people around him were suffering from hunger and poverty, he was building up wealth. His desire for comfort and prosperity prevented him from giving himself to God, and so prevented him from receiving eternal life. If he wanted eternal life, he would have to get rid of the things that stood in its way (Matthew 19:20-22).

Wealth makes people independent of others, and for this reason the rich often find it difficult to acknowledge that they are not independent of God. Their wealth makes them no better in God’s sight than anyone else. As a result few of the rich enter the kingdom of God. Actually, no one at all could enter that kingdom apart from the work of God. By his grace he accepts those who humble themselves before him (Matthew 19:23-26).

Nevertheless, those who make sacrifices for the sake of Jesus will find that what they receive in eternity is incomparably greater than anything they may have lost in the present world. They may have to sacrifice wealth, status, family or friends, but in the age to come they will reign with Christ (Matthew 19:27-30).

https://www.studylight.org/commentary/matthew/19-21.html

more in depth study and examination here.

lmao looks like a bunch of people don’t know what they spout here, no surprise.

People who take snippets here and there and don’t truly know what they are talking about…

yeah, like you. We all know it's harder for a rich man to get into heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

https://www.fh.org/blog/camel-through-eye-of-needle-meaning/

Anyone seeking true knowledge can find it. Posting snippets and pretending you are “in the know” is arrogant and ignorant.

The last place anyone should look to gain knowledge about Christianity and the Bible is dcum religion forums.

We are all camels.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus never said that Government should feed the people.

We need to take care of the poor, we need to help the poor, and we need to make sure that all people are treated equally, but if you examine the issue of mission trips, churches and religious people do a better job of helping those in need than governments.

Jesus does not ask people to give up their money. He talked about being humble not being about being rich. Poverty is not a blessing. Being humble is a blessing. Many times money can make a person feel that they are more important or entitled than another person. This is what Jesus was talking about. It is a very far jump to advocate for redistribution to the government for them to take over your life.

What? I think that certainly is the implication of Matthew 19:21:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

The Bible makes it clear that possession of wealth involves responsibility, including a responsibility to be compassionate to the poor. But the Bible doesn’t say that all Christians should sell everything they have and give the proceeds to the poor. The hearts of some people, like the rich young ruler’s heart, may require such drastic measures. But for others, giving away everything would be an act of poor stewardship—an unwillingness to make wise, compassionate use of the gifts given by God.

https://questions.org/attq/does-jesus-expect-his-followers-to-give-up-all-of-their-possessions/

What? That's exactly what Matthew 19:21 says.

Matthew 19:21 is specifically about the conversation Jesus had with a very wealthy young ruler/King.

This man loved his wealth and possessions above all.

The advice Jesus gave that man was for that man to replace his love for his wealth and possessions in his heart, not advice for Christians to impoverish their families and beg for food and shelter themselves to prove they are righteous.

A wealthy young man came to Jesus and asked what special deeds he should do to gain eternal life. Jesus responded that there was no need to ask him, because God had already told him in the Ten Commandments what he should do (Matthew 19:16-19). The man boasted that he had kept most of the commandments, but Jesus saw that at least he had failed in the last, which said ‘Do not covet’. While people around him were suffering from hunger and poverty, he was building up wealth. His desire for comfort and prosperity prevented him from giving himself to God, and so prevented him from receiving eternal life. If he wanted eternal life, he would have to get rid of the things that stood in its way (Matthew 19:20-22).

Wealth makes people independent of others, and for this reason the rich often find it difficult to acknowledge that they are not independent of God. Their wealth makes them no better in God’s sight than anyone else. As a result few of the rich enter the kingdom of God. Actually, no one at all could enter that kingdom apart from the work of God. By his grace he accepts those who humble themselves before him (Matthew 19:23-26).

Nevertheless, those who make sacrifices for the sake of Jesus will find that what they receive in eternity is incomparably greater than anything they may have lost in the present world. They may have to sacrifice wealth, status, family or friends, but in the age to come they will reign with Christ (Matthew 19:27-30).

https://www.studylight.org/commentary/matthew/19-21.html

more in depth study and examination here.

lmao looks like a bunch of people don’t know what they spout here, no surprise.

People who take snippets here and there and don’t truly know what they are talking about…

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus never said that Government should feed the people.

We need to take care of the poor, we need to help the poor, and we need to make sure that all people are treated equally, but if you examine the issue of mission trips, churches and religious people do a better job of helping those in need than governments.

Jesus does not ask people to give up their money. He talked about being humble not being about being rich. Poverty is not a blessing. Being humble is a blessing. Many times money can make a person feel that they are more important or entitled than another person. This is what Jesus was talking about. It is a very far jump to advocate for redistribution to the government for them to take over your life.

What? I think that certainly is the implication of Matthew 19:21:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

The Bible makes it clear that possession of wealth involves responsibility, including a responsibility to be compassionate to the poor. But the Bible doesn’t say that all Christians should sell everything they have and give the proceeds to the poor. The hearts of some people, like the rich young ruler’s heart, may require such drastic measures. But for others, giving away everything would be an act of poor stewardship—an unwillingness to make wise, compassionate use of the gifts given by God.

https://questions.org/attq/does-jesus-expect-his-followers-to-give-up-all-of-their-possessions/

What? That's exactly what Matthew 19:21 says.

Matthew 19:21 is specifically about the conversation Jesus had with a very wealthy young ruler/King.

This man loved his wealth and possessions above all.

The advice Jesus gave that man was for that man to replace his love for his wealth and possessions in his heart, not advice for Christians to impoverish their families and beg for food and shelter themselves to prove they are righteous.

A wealthy young man came to Jesus and asked what special deeds he should do to gain eternal life. Jesus responded that there was no need to ask him, because God had already told him in the Ten Commandments what he should do (Matthew 19:16-19). The man boasted that he had kept most of the commandments, but Jesus saw that at least he had failed in the last, which said ‘Do not covet’. While people around him were suffering from hunger and poverty, he was building up wealth. His desire for comfort and prosperity prevented him from giving himself to God, and so prevented him from receiving eternal life. If he wanted eternal life, he would have to get rid of the things that stood in its way (Matthew 19:20-22).

Wealth makes people independent of others, and for this reason the rich often find it difficult to acknowledge that they are not independent of God. Their wealth makes them no better in God’s sight than anyone else. As a result few of the rich enter the kingdom of God. Actually, no one at all could enter that kingdom apart from the work of God. By his grace he accepts those who humble themselves before him (Matthew 19:23-26).

Nevertheless, those who make sacrifices for the sake of Jesus will find that what they receive in eternity is incomparably greater than anything they may have lost in the present world. They may have to sacrifice wealth, status, family or friends, but in the age to come they will reign with Christ (Matthew 19:27-30).

https://www.studylight.org/commentary/matthew/19-21.html

more in depth study and examination here.

lmao looks like a bunch of people don’t know what they spout here, no surprise.

People who take snippets here and there and don’t truly know what they are talking about…

yeah, like you. We all know it's harder for a rich man to get into heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus never said that Government should feed the people.

We need to take care of the poor, we need to help the poor, and we need to make sure that all people are treated equally, but if you examine the issue of mission trips, churches and religious people do a better job of helping those in need than governments.

Jesus does not ask people to give up their money. He talked about being humble not being about being rich. Poverty is not a blessing. Being humble is a blessing. Many times money can make a person feel that they are more important or entitled than another person. This is what Jesus was talking about. It is a very far jump to advocate for redistribution to the government for them to take over your life.

What? I think that certainly is the implication of Matthew 19:21:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

The Bible makes it clear that possession of wealth involves responsibility, including a responsibility to be compassionate to the poor. But the Bible doesn’t say that all Christians should sell everything they have and give the proceeds to the poor. The hearts of some people, like the rich young ruler’s heart, may require such drastic measures. But for others, giving away everything would be an act of poor stewardship—an unwillingness to make wise, compassionate use of the gifts given by God.

https://questions.org/attq/does-jesus-expect-his-followers-to-give-up-all-of-their-possessions/

What? That's exactly what Matthew 19:21 says.

Matthew 19:21 is specifically about the conversation Jesus had with a very wealthy young ruler/King.

This man loved his wealth and possessions above all.

The advice Jesus gave that man was for that man to replace his love for his wealth and possessions in his heart, not advice for Christians to impoverish their families and beg for food and shelter themselves to prove they are righteous.

A wealthy young man came to Jesus and asked what special deeds he should do to gain eternal life. Jesus responded that there was no need to ask him, because God had already told him in the Ten Commandments what he should do (Matthew 19:16-19). The man boasted that he had kept most of the commandments, but Jesus saw that at least he had failed in the last, which said ‘Do not covet’. While people around him were suffering from hunger and poverty, he was building up wealth. His desire for comfort and prosperity prevented him from giving himself to God, and so prevented him from receiving eternal life. If he wanted eternal life, he would have to get rid of the things that stood in its way (Matthew 19:20-22).

Wealth makes people independent of others, and for this reason the rich often find it difficult to acknowledge that they are not independent of God. Their wealth makes them no better in God’s sight than anyone else. As a result few of the rich enter the kingdom of God. Actually, no one at all could enter that kingdom apart from the work of God. By his grace he accepts those who humble themselves before him (Matthew 19:23-26).

Nevertheless, those who make sacrifices for the sake of Jesus will find that what they receive in eternity is incomparably greater than anything they may have lost in the present world. They may have to sacrifice wealth, status, family or friends, but in the age to come they will reign with Christ (Matthew 19:27-30).

https://www.studylight.org/commentary/matthew/19-21.html

more in depth study and examination here.

lmao looks like a bunch of people don’t know what they spout here, no surprise.

People who take snippets here and there and don’t truly know what they are talking about…

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus never said that Government should feed the people.

We need to take care of the poor, we need to help the poor, and we need to make sure that all people are treated equally, but if you examine the issue of mission trips, churches and religious people do a better job of helping those in need than governments.

Jesus does not ask people to give up their money. He talked about being humble not being about being rich. Poverty is not a blessing. Being humble is a blessing. Many times money can make a person feel that they are more important or entitled than another person. This is what Jesus was talking about. It is a very far jump to advocate for redistribution to the government for them to take over your life.

What? I think that certainly is the implication of Matthew 19:21:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

The Bible makes it clear that possession of wealth involves responsibility, including a responsibility to be compassionate to the poor. But the Bible doesn’t say that all Christians should sell everything they have and give the proceeds to the poor. The hearts of some people, like the rich young ruler’s heart, may require such drastic measures. But for others, giving away everything would be an act of poor stewardship—an unwillingness to make wise, compassionate use of the gifts given by God.

https://questions.org/attq/does-jesus-expect-his-followers-to-give-up-all-of-their-possessions/

What? That's exactly what Matthew 19:21 says.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus never said that Government should feed the people.

We need to take care of the poor, we need to help the poor, and we need to make sure that all people are treated equally, but if you examine the issue of mission trips, churches and religious people do a better job of helping those in need than governments.

Jesus does not ask people to give up their money. He talked about being humble not being about being rich. Poverty is not a blessing. Being humble is a blessing. Many times money can make a person feel that they are more important or entitled than another person. This is what Jesus was talking about. It is a very far jump to advocate for redistribution to the government for them to take over your life.

LOL someone definitely has not read the Bible.

Ok, where does Jesus tell people to give up everything they own, impoverish themselves and their families, become dependent on government aid, let their children become homeless and without basic necessities and medical care, to prove how Christian they are?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jesus never said that Government should feed the people.

We need to take care of the poor, we need to help the poor, and we need to make sure that all people are treated equally, but if you examine the issue of mission trips, churches and religious people do a better job of helping those in need than governments.

Jesus does not ask people to give up their money. He talked about being humble not being about being rich. Poverty is not a blessing. Being humble is a blessing. Many times money can make a person feel that they are more important or entitled than another person. This is what Jesus was talking about. It is a very far jump to advocate for redistribution to the government for them to take over your life.

What? I think that certainly is the implication of Matthew 19:21:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

The Bible makes it clear that possession of wealth involves responsibility, including a responsibility to be compassionate to the poor. But the Bible doesn’t say that all Christians should sell everything they have and give the proceeds to the poor. The hearts of some people, like the rich young ruler’s heart, may require such drastic measures. But for others, giving away everything would be an act of poor stewardship—an unwillingness to make wise, compassionate use of the gifts given by God.

https://questions.org/attq/does-jesus-expect-his-followers-to-give-up-all-of-their-possessions/

Anonymous wrote:Jesus never said that Government should feed the people.

We need to take care of the poor, we need to help the poor, and we need to make sure that all people are treated equally, but if you examine the issue of mission trips, churches and religious people do a better job of helping those in need than governments.

Jesus does not ask people to give up their money. He talked about being humble not being about being rich. Poverty is not a blessing. Being humble is a blessing. Many times money can make a person feel that they are more important or entitled than another person. This is what Jesus was talking about. It is a very far jump to advocate for redistribution to the government for them to take over your life.

What? I think that certainly is the implication of Matthew 19:21:

"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me."

Anonymous wrote:Jesus never said that Government should feed the people.

We need to take care of the poor, we need to help the poor, and we need to make sure that all people are treated equally, but if you examine the issue of mission trips, churches and religious people do a better job of helping those in need than governments.

Jesus does not ask people to give up their money. He talked about being humble not being about being rich. Poverty is not a blessing. Being humble is a blessing. Many times money can make a person feel that they are more important or entitled than another person. This is what Jesus was talking about. It is a very far jump to advocate for redistribution to the government for them to take over your life.

LOL someone definitely has not read the Bible.

I’m a Christian who attends services weekly and donates a lot to my church and I never bring it up at all except to close friends or others who I know are also religious. Idk why but people like your coworker who talk about it all the time to everyone just make my skin crawl. I think it signals a lack of sincerity maybe?

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Anonymous wrote:Evangelicals are supposed to evangelize…spread the good word. It’s just embedded in their daily language.

Speaking as a Christian who attends an evangelical church (which, in theory, all Christian churches should be)it's my opinion that most of us (myself included) don't know how to live out our faith in a secular environment, such as the workplace. Some don't say anything at all and hope their actions speak for themselves. Others, like your co-worker, OP, rely upon speaking in a sort of "Christianese" language that's meant to signal to those arond her that she is a Christian and that speaking like this allows her to check the "evangelize" box on her to-do list. If I were her co-worker, even I would probably cringe whenever she opened her mouth.

The frequent boasting about her husband is also not helping her, nor is boasting of any kind. Humility is a key Christian virtue and it isn't practiced nearly enough.

I find the bolded part so offensive. I’m an Episcopalian which means I am a Christian too. And no, I have not been told to evangelize. Evangelicals have co-opted the term Christian and it’s infuriating.

As a Christian, how do you read Matthew 28:18-20, then?

Jesus never said that Government should feed the people.

We need to take care of the poor, we need to help the poor, and we need to make sure that all people are treated equally, but if you examine the issue of mission trips, churches and religious people do a better job of helping those in need than governments.

Jesus does not ask people to give up their money. He talked about being humble not being about being rich. Poverty is not a blessing. Being humble is a blessing. Many times money can make a person feel that they are more important or entitled than another person. This is what Jesus was talking about. It is a very far jump to advocate for redistribution to the government for them to take over your life.

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Anonymous wrote:Evangelicals are supposed to evangelize…spread the good word. It’s just embedded in their daily language.

Speaking as a Christian who attends an evangelical church (which, in theory, all Christian churches should be)it's my opinion that most of us (myself included) don't know how to live out our faith in a secular environment, such as the workplace. Some don't say anything at all and hope their actions speak for themselves. Others, like your co-worker, OP, rely upon speaking in a sort of "Christianese" language that's meant to signal to those arond her that she is a Christian and that speaking like this allows her to check the "evangelize" box on her to-do list. If I were her co-worker, even I would probably cringe whenever she opened her mouth.

The frequent boasting about her husband is also not helping her, nor is boasting of any kind. Humility is a key Christian virtue and it isn't practiced nearly enough.

I find the bolded part so offensive. I’m an Episcopalian which means I am a Christian too. And no, I have not been told to evangelize. Evangelicals have co-opted the term Christian and it’s infuriating.

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Anonymous wrote:Every fundie I’ve ever known has always been a preachy-humblebragger. The whole thing is creepy and gross. It attracts the worst types of people, and the most gullible.

Unlike people such as yourself, who are obviously so non- judgmental and kind, right?

I only judge hypocrites - which includes all evangelicals. And I’m pretty kind, yes.

Jesus was an evangelical.

Jesus was a liberal.

Jesus had/has no earthly political affiliation and is only interested in the Kingdom of His Father.

Anyone who claims Jesus would be a republican or democrat or conservative or liberal is grossly incorrect and needs to stop trying to make religion political. Imo, people that do so are the worst of the worst.