Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 22:43     Subject: Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another state whose leadership aims to destroy public education in their state.



What will happen if this passes:
Complete inability for Texas to recruit new science professors who are able to compete in the market of ideas.
Those smart faculty will head to other states - or other countries. (Britain, China would love to have them.)

If this happens I wouldn't send my kids to Texas universities - because Texas universities won't get the best faculty.

We have a modern global talent economy, and if a state education system is anti-intellectual, why would I want my kids to go to school there?



I'm not a Republican and have voted for them zero times but this is one proposal I can stand behind. I can understand tenure when the supply of teachers is low. I keep hearing that it's the oppisite. Too many PhDs looking for too few jobs. Kill tenure and hire the best. If old geezer wants to leave because his tenure is gone, he's welcome. Don't think research funding will be impacted by this.


Why would the best ever accept a non-tenured job if they are offered tenured jobs elsewhere?


else.. where? All the R states will follow suit. In certain areas (e.g. CS) there's already a problem with professors leaving for Industry. Tenure does not prevent that. Would they move to other states? Let them. I'm sure there are enough profs. that will take their place.

What I do see is tenured professors behaving like tyrants and treating students like crap. Ending tenure will bring an end to that nonsense.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 21:28     Subject: Re:Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some professors are lazy A holes. This might help get rid of them. Now we need term imits for congress and the Supreme Court.


Only the top professors get tenure. It is very difficult. You don’t know what you are talking about.


Dude - I've seen plenty of half-assed, stupid, rich entitled white males with garbage research and spurious publishing get tenure - you're lying or fully ignorant if you think it's different than any other profession.


Its pretty tough to be a lazy asshole when your department is being gutted and you now have 200 majors in your department, 4 tenured professors, an army of adjuncts and no secretaries. We all have huge advising loads, letters of recommendation to write, committees and service responsibilities out the wazoo, new course preps, independent studies, students requiring various avcommodations, grant writing, research, new technologies to keep up with, etc. The days of professors sitting around drinking coffee ended like twenty years ago. Those politicians are so out of touch!
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 21:09     Subject: Re:Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some professors are lazy A holes. This might help get rid of them. Now we need term imits for congress and the Supreme Court.


Only the top professors get tenure. It is very difficult. You don’t know what you are talking about.


Dude - I've seen plenty of half-assed, stupid, rich entitled white males with garbage research and spurious publishing get tenure - you're lying or fully ignorant if you think it's different than any other profession.


What a racist bigoted post
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 20:33     Subject: Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
Anonymous wrote:Why does Texas even devote tax dollars to education? They should just do away with publicly financed Universities and colleges. Ever republican would be for this!


That is what they are planning.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 20:22     Subject: Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
Anonymous wrote:Would this include Rice or is it public Us only?
So nuts


Public only

So good news for SMU, TCU, Trinity, etc. You just got a whole lot more appealing to faculty
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 20:03     Subject: Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
Anonymous wrote:Undermining education is a core component of the new GOP.

They want the country to be fat and dumb.


Their core base is the uneducated, so yes, they want to eliminate and ruin education.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 20:00     Subject: Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
Anonymous wrote:Texas is working to eliminate critical thinking in its teachers and professors and replace them with underpaid contract workers whose economic inability to leave will keep them obedient to the know-nothing Republican government.

But creepy sexist/racist white guys at the top of the academic pyramid? Their jobs are secure.


This. They will be able to find people to teach most subjects. They won't have their pick of the most accomplished researchers in the nation. But they will find teachers, most of whom will probably be good because you don't need papers in Nature and 10k citations to teach freshmen well. And they will exploit and threaten those people and fire them for making waves even in their personal lives (look up Collin College in TX as an example of "non-renewal" used to keep faculty in line).
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 19:58     Subject: Re:Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some professors are lazy A holes. This might help get rid of them. Now we need term imits for congress and the Supreme Court.


Only the top professors get tenure. It is very difficult. You don’t know what you are talking about.


Dude - I've seen plenty of half-assed, stupid, rich entitled white males with garbage research and spurious publishing get tenure - you're lying or fully ignorant if you think it's different than any other profession.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 19:54     Subject: Re:Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
Anonymous wrote:Some professors are lazy A holes. This might help get rid of them. Now we need term imits for congress and the Supreme Court.


Only the top professors get tenure. It is very difficult. You don’t know what you are talking about.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 19:53     Subject: Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
Tenure is going away everywhere - with the growth of reliance on adjuncts, the proportion of college professors who are tenured or TT faculty is steadily declining everywhere. I'm not a fan of the Lt Governor of Texas, but academia has far bigger problems than him.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 19:49     Subject: Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
Would this include Rice or is it public Us only?
So nuts
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 18:50     Subject: Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
Anonymous wrote:I believe this will happen in more states. Great! Tenure protects ineffective and lazy professors.


Do you know how hard it is to a) get a tenure track job? b) earn tenure? Once you've completed a PhD (avg. 6 years) post-doc (2 years) gotten a tenure track position (maybe 1 -2 years visiting prof before you get it) you have to be an excellent teacher and a producer of research that is valued in the field and are judged at the 6 year point whether you get tenure. So basically, tenure comes in after 16 years of committing to the field. They are not lazy people.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 18:42     Subject: Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
I believe this will happen in more states. Great! Tenure protects ineffective and lazy professors.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 18:37     Subject: Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
Texas is working to eliminate critical thinking in its teachers and professors and replace them with underpaid contract workers whose economic inability to leave will keep them obedient to the know-nothing Republican government.

But creepy sexist/racist white guys at the top of the academic pyramid? Their jobs are secure.
Anonymous
Post 02/18/2022 18:05     Subject: Texas proposal to eliminate tenure at universities: will destroy research in Texas.
Texas is intent on making itself a third world hell-hole. We should encourage them to leave.