Anonymous wrote:It is so stupid to say that lower scores equate to a less intelligent person. There are many reasons why one person may be just as smart as the person sitting next to them but have a lower score. I am not going to try argue on this board because people here just do not buy it.

My DS is into a top school with a score that was below the median score and an extremely high public school GPA. He has a 4.0 now in college. No he is not a STEM major but he has also not had group projects referenced here.

For those of you who have kids who were shut out by kids like mine and yet say, oh the school made a huge mistake letting that "less qualified" kid in, i say these schools know what they are doing and are trying to make a balanced but diverse class of students.

Yes, this. I am the mom of 2 high GPA kids. One is a high test scorer, the other is a crapshoot on standardized testing. Both are fantastic students who bring a lot to the table.

Anonymous wrote:I think the Covid cheating is a major issue.

MANY kids did not cheat <------disclaimer in case this is your kid.

But many did. I know mine did. He did math in a group. He googled homework answers. I am not dumb. His friends all did it.
Their GPAs are really inflated. There are hundreds like him.

What is he planning on doing in college? Cheating? Good luck with that.

Hate the game? Definitely.

The problem is that very few kids can get great grades at some very competitive schools without cheating. I got sick of my DC getting crap grades during distance learning and moved DC into my home office so I could monitor them during the school day. I was appalled at all the cheating that is going on. It's actually so normalized that I don't think they even understand that they're out of line. It's different from when I was the smart kid in HS that everyone else cheated off of. Now, it's that they all exchange work with each other, even the smart kids. Granted, DC is at a super competitive HS so it's a different pool of kids than those I went to school with. But, if anything, this seems far worse ethically because these are the "top" kids who are cheating in order to achieve and maintain a high GPA. When I let kids cheat off my homework or exams 30 years ago, all that happened was the kid managed to pass and not flunk out of high school. Nobody was worried about how those kids' GPAs might nudge them out of the top 10% of the class or give them a leg up for college admissions.

At one point in HS my kid was caught cheating on an assignment. We had to go in and meet with the teacher and punish our kid. But what was most upsetting was that when I spoke with DC about why they felt cheating had been necessary, their answer made total sense to me. There is no way that a kid who isn't a genius can keep up with the workload at a school like theirs. These are kids that are eventually passing the AP exams with 4s and 5s, so they aren't dumb. They know the material. But the sheer volume of work is unrealistic and is essentially an invitation to cheat. When the top kids in the class are "sharing" work with one another, everyone else has to do this in order to not fall too far behind and still sleep for at least 6-7 hours a night. It's a huge problem that's entirely created by stupid adults setting "higher" standards. My sibling is a high school teacher in Texas where one's class rank now determines whether you get to go to UT Austin and become a Longhorn. It's become a cat and mouse game with the top kids all devising new tricks to raise their GPA by 0.05 over that of their classmate.

Anonymous wrote:The public school kids compete against the other public school kids and the private school kids compete against private school kids. But if you are absolutely convinced the world is stacked against private school kids...then do not send your kid to private school.

Lol. It's so funny that they do act like they have no choice.

Anonymous wrote:Ok, can someone please explain how this makes any sense?

I know plenty of kids in this admissions cycle who have low (think, 1100) SATs but have high GPAs (4.0 range) from big public schools that grade inflate. These kids are going test optional and are getting into colleges that would normally be out of reach when SATs were required. This year, they get to hide their low SAT from the colleges.

On the other hand, I know plenty of kids at private schools that grade-deflate but who have strong grades (taking that grade deflation into account, say 3.8) and sky high SATs who are being deferred and rejected from safeties. In the past, the high SATs balanced out the grade deflation, but this year it seems meaningless because schools are filling spots with kids who didn't show an SAT.

This system is a joke but it is also very damaging. There under qualified kids who are making tic toc videos mocking the system. On the other hand, you have high achieving students who've worked their a$# off and who are getting shut out. Makes no sense.

The bottom line is that what you have written above is mere conjecture. You think public school kids don’t work as hard as private school kids. You think public school kids are less qualified than private school kids. Are you really as ignorant as you are coming off? Come on! Do better! Any public school kids who get in deserve to get in. It sounds like you are a bit salty that you thought your kid had an advantage going to an expensive private school that most people can’t afford and now you feel you were burned. All your post reflects is sour grapes.

Anonymous wrote:Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Which is why they are doing away with scores, precisely.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, can someone please explain how this makes any sense?

I know plenty of kids in this admissions cycle who have low (think, 1100) SATs but have high GPAs (4.0 range) from big public schools that grade inflate. These kids are going test optional and are getting into colleges that would normally be out of reach when SATs were required. This year, they get to hide their low SAT from the colleges.

On the other hand, I know plenty of kids at private schools that grade-deflate but who have strong grades (taking that grade deflation into account, say 3.8) and sky high SATs who are being deferred and rejected from safeties. In the past, the high SATs balanced out the grade deflation, but this year it seems meaningless because schools are filling spots with kids who didn't show an SAT.

This system is a joke but it is also very damaging. There under qualified kids who are making tic toc videos mocking the system. On the other hand, you have high achieving students who've worked their a$# off and who are getting shut out. Makes no sense.

Ummm...you are the one that out the kid in the deluxe private school. If it so bad, get DC out of there

PS - it's not just a private school issue. It's also about the kids in a large public schools who may have taken classes with a teachers who grades harshly. The SAT has always been a leveling tool so that these discrepancies can be put into perspective.

The SAT has never been a leveling tool and it's going away so get over it. No use crying over spilled milk.

NP here. I don't agree with your statement, but I do agree with your sentiment.

Over prepping has caused schools to do away with the SAT, more each year.

I think the Covid cheating is a major issue.

MANY kids did not cheat <------disclaimer in case this is your kid.

But many did. I know mine did. He did math in a group. He googled homework answers. I am not dumb. His friends all did it.
Their GPAs are really inflated. There are hundreds like him.

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Anonymous wrote:Getting into college is not the same thing as staying in college much less graduating. Unless the colleges are really dumbing down the material I’m not seeing the woefully unqualified lasting very long.

Many are, yes. Have you seen some of the ridiculous majors available now? And, everything is "group projects." You'd have to be a real idiot not to be able to graduate from college with some sort of degree now.

Nothing is group projects for my college student. When does that happen?

It happens in PP’s head, when she makes up sh!t to try and prove her point.

Are you kidding? Many second-rate colleges -- and second-rate majors - exist on this.

What are some second rate colleges?

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Anonymous wrote:Getting into college is not the same thing as staying in college much less graduating. Unless the colleges are really dumbing down the material I’m not seeing the woefully unqualified lasting very long.

Many are, yes. Have you seen some of the ridiculous majors available now? And, everything is "group projects." You'd have to be a real idiot not to be able to graduate from college with some sort of degree now.

Nothing is group projects for my college student. When does that happen?

It happens in PP’s head, when she makes up sh!t to try and prove her point.

Are you kidding? Many second-rate colleges -- and second-rate majors - exist on this.

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Anonymous wrote:4 years of high grades in hard classes are more impressive than prepping for a 4 hour test that you can take multiple times and submit your top scores. Most schools are going to be moving away form standardized tests sooner than later.

The point is that 4 years of classes *where the grades are subjective* can be misleading. That is happening across the board. Schools are overwhelmed with applications, so they can't possibly dig into how "real" every 4.0 actually is. The kids know this. They are all living it. Kids who would never get into Penn State (because their SAT would drag the stats down) are now getting in. In the past, that student's 4.0 would get a double check if the kid had an 1150 SAT.

you are bringing ped state into this? high stat kids and mediocre stat kids get in there no problem

Or maybe, because this year is TO, kids with 1100s and their parents decided to skip expensive test prep and multiple tests for a better and then super scored result. Which is fine.

Colleges decide who is “under qualified,” not the disappointed parents of private school applicants. Stop claiming that your kid’s profile us the only acceptable definition of “qualified.”

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Anonymous wrote:Getting into college is not the same thing as staying in college much less graduating. Unless the colleges are really dumbing down the material I’m not seeing the woefully unqualified lasting very long.

Many are, yes. Have you seen some of the ridiculous majors available now? And, everything is "group projects." You'd have to be a real idiot not to be able to graduate from college with some sort of degree now.

Nothing is group projects for my college student. When does that happen?

It happens in PP’s head, when she makes up sh!t to try and prove her point.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, can someone please explain how this makes any sense?

I know plenty of kids in this admissions cycle who have low (think, 1100) SATs but have high GPAs (4.0 range) from big public schools that grade inflate. These kids are going test optional and are getting into colleges that would normally be out of reach when SATs were required. This year, they get to hide their low SAT from the colleges.

On the other hand, I know plenty of kids at private schools that grade-deflate but who have strong grades (taking that grade deflation into account, say 3.8) and sky high SATs who are being deferred and rejected from safeties. In the past, the high SATs balanced out the grade deflation, but this year it seems meaningless because schools are filling spots with kids who didn't show an SAT.

This system is a joke but it is also very damaging. There under qualified kids who are making tic toc videos mocking the system. On the other hand, you have high achieving students who've worked their a$# off and who are getting shut out. Makes no sense.

Ummm...you are the one that out the kid in the deluxe private school. If it so bad, get DC out of there

PS - it's not just a private school issue. It's also about the kids in a large public schools who may have taken classes with a teachers who grades harshly. The SAT has always been a leveling tool so that these discrepancies can be put into perspective.

The SAT has never been a leveling tool and it's going away so get over it. No use crying over spilled milk.