Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 15:10     Subject: Re:Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
I had my DD at 32. She plans to have her first child by that age. She will be helped with childcare by us, and we have already paid for college for her.

She is 24 currently and unmarried. If I want to see grandkids then I have to help my children and their spouses with help and financial backing to support them. I am not saying pay for everything but truthfully they will need help with starter home, car, education, childcare etc, if they need to succeed. We are between mc and umc.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 15:08     Subject: Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
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Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?



Too bad society treats mothers like dirt.


This is the unintended consequence of feminism and “women can do everything men can do.” Yes, women should be able to work and men should do half the housework. But it doesn’t actually work that way. My mom was a working mom in the 80’s (out of necessity not choice) and I saw what a raw deal it was. I was determined to be a SAHM or not at all and that’s what I did. I didn’t and don’t feel treated like dirt, but my only job for the last 15 years has been raising my children and running the house. It’s not actually a bad job if you don’t also have another job. I have two daughters and I will support any choice they make, but I will alert them to this reality.


This is unrealistic for most couples. In today's world, you need two incomes to survive. That's just how it is - most families cannot afford to lose one salary - be it the mother's OR the father's.


Agree
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 15:06     Subject: Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?



Too bad society treats mothers like dirt.


This is the unintended consequence of feminism and “women can do everything men can do.” Yes, women should be able to work and men should do half the housework. But it doesn’t actually work that way. My mom was a working mom in the 80’s (out of necessity not choice) and I saw what a raw deal it was. I was determined to be a SAHM or not at all and that’s what I did. I didn’t and don’t feel treated like dirt, but my only job for the last 15 years has been raising my children and running the house. It’s not actually a bad job if you don’t also have another job. I have two daughters and I will support any choice they make, but I will alert them to this reality.


This is unrealistic for most couples. In today's world, you need two incomes to survive. That's just how it is - most families cannot afford to lose one salary - be it the mother's OR the father's.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 14:57     Subject: Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?



Too bad society treats mothers like dirt.


This is the unintended consequence of feminism and “women can do everything men can do.” Yes, women should be able to work and men should do half the housework. But it doesn’t actually work that way. My mom was a working mom in the 80’s (out of necessity not choice) and I saw what a raw deal it was. I was determined to be a SAHM or not at all and that’s what I did. I didn’t and don’t feel treated like dirt, but my only job for the last 15 years has been raising my children and running the house. It’s not actually a bad job if you don’t also have another job. I have two daughters and I will support any choice they make, but I will alert them to this reality.


np There are so many errors in your way of thinking that it is hard to believe! Do you really blame Feminism for leading women astray? Women were FORBIDDEN to do so many things we take for granted. In the beginning it was about trying to get women equal opportunity. Women were considered property of their husband, couldn't have a credit card in their name etc. No one can do everything at once but, we should change our way of thinking so it isn't all or nothing. Women are more than baby makers and can contribute to society but, we need men's help and societies help to do so. Is it really a choice when you can't afford child care? No!
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 14:55     Subject: Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
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Anonymous wrote:Judging based on my family, friends and acquaintances, I feel it's the case for every developed country.


Except Israel

Jewish people are way more forward thinking and optimistic about the future.



Well, there the high tfr is mainly driven by the ultra-orthodox. Secular Jews don’t have a very high birth rate.


Educate yourself.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305338386_An_investigation_of_the_unexpectedly_high_fertility_of_secular_native-born_Jews_in_Israel

Secular jews in Israel far surpass tfr of developed secular people in other countries!



Actually you should educate yourself. The secilar Jewish TFR is 2.2, which is just replacement ratio. Almost all the growth is from the religious.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/.premium-haredim-are-leaving-the-fold-but-the-community-is-growing-1.8121764


You must’ve scored a 500 on reading comp on your sat.

Read my last sentence.

2.2 far surpasses what secular gentiles in the us or uk!




Your posts really are very unpleasant. I just said secular Jews don’t have a very higb birth rate. You then said “educate yourself “, but it turns out I was correct- their birth rate is just replacement ratio. So please stop being so nasty.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 14:52     Subject: Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/jan/27/women-child-free-30-ons

More than half (50.1%) of women in England and Wales born in 1990 were without a child when they turned 30 in 2020, the first generation to do so, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).
That is almost three times higher than the lowest number of women ever to be child-free at 30 – 17.9% of those born in 1941.
At the same time the average number of children women have by the time they reach 30 has fallen to its lowest-ever level (0.96).


Not surprising. I’m American, and many of the younger women in my office are single and childless. In fact, lots of the older ones are, too.

Maybe it’s the SATC effect? Throw yourself into your career and live your best life in the city.

Plenty of studies point to younger generations as being less sexually active, right?

Plus: money. Families are $$$$$.

Lastly: social media has enabled many people to become introverts.


Someone born in 1990 wasn’t watching SATC. I hope. Wow.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 14:48     Subject: Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?



If it is so important that why does our society look down on SAHM? And why don't you include men? Is it not important that the Dads also help raise children?
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 14:42     Subject: Re:Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
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Anonymous wrote:So what's the problem? Have you seen the show 'Call the Midwives'? Do you know how our grandmothers suffered bearing children they didn't plan for? Celebrate the fact that women have autonomy and access to birth control instead of going "Horror! These baby factories refuse to work!"


I don’t think a lot of people are wringing their hands, but there social and economic consequences when people have fewer children.


It will be tough for this generation while there are so many elderly people without enough young people to support them. After that, fewer people in the world will be a good thing.


But young people don't really support elderly people to begin with. How many young people do you know wipe an elderly person's butt? Or support them financially? Having children in the hope they will care for you is really messed up.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 13:26     Subject: Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?



Too bad society treats mothers like dirt.


This is the unintended consequence of feminism and “women can do everything men can do.” Yes, women should be able to work and men should do half the housework. But it doesn’t actually work that way. My mom was a working mom in the 80’s (out of necessity not choice) and I saw what a raw deal it was. I was determined to be a SAHM or not at all and that’s what I did. I didn’t and don’t feel treated like dirt, but my only job for the last 15 years has been raising my children and running the house. It’s not actually a bad job if you don’t also have another job. I have two daughters and I will support any choice they make, but I will alert them to this reality.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 12:41     Subject: Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?



I agree with this. It can be a slog, but isn’t every job? At least with motherhood, you are nourishing another soul and shaping future generations. It’s a pretty powerful thing. I can say without hesitation that I’ve never done anything as important. And my kids are hilarious to be around. Not sure many 20/30 year olds hear this side of things? Mostly it’s ugh, kids suck & career is amazing.


Motherhood isn’t a job. It’s a 24/7 lifetime commitment. It’s a lifestyle dictated by emotion, responsibility, and love.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 12:38     Subject: Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?



I agree with this. It can be a slog, but isn’t every job? At least with motherhood, you are nourishing another soul and shaping future generations. It’s a pretty powerful thing. I can say without hesitation that I’ve never done anything as important. And my kids are hilarious to be around. Not sure many 20/30 year olds hear this side of things? Mostly it’s ugh, kids suck & career is amazing.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 12:34     Subject: Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?



Too bad society treats mothers like dirt.


This. Modern-day motherhood is awful in many ways.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 12:33     Subject: Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
Anonymous wrote:Being a mother is literally THE most important job any woman can do. What other occupation contributes more to humanity than sustaining our species?



Too bad society treats mothers like dirt.
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 12:32     Subject: Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
Anonymous wrote:Children are hugely expensive, and men don’t want to settle down with a family until their late 30s. Can’t see how anyone is surprised by this


This is a good point
Anonymous
Post 01/30/2022 12:30     Subject: Re:Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So what's the problem? Have you seen the show 'Call the Midwives'? Do you know how our grandmothers suffered bearing children they didn't plan for? Celebrate the fact that women have autonomy and access to birth control instead of going "Horror! These baby factories refuse to work!"


I don’t think a lot of people are wringing their hands, but there social and economic consequences when people have fewer children.


It will be tough for this generation while there are so many elderly people without enough young people to support them. After that, fewer people in the world will be a good thing.