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Anonymous wrote:We are a few years out, so our experience may be dated, but WL started the IB program because the school was viewed as less desirable than Yorktown and it was hoped that the program would shore it up. That appears to have worked, but I'd be surprised if we've now reached the point where WL is actually a better school than Yorktown academically. Test scores certainly don't bear that out -- in a typical year, Yorktown's are marginally higher across the bored.

We had high achieving kids attend Yorktown, and they had no interest in the IB program. Lots of high achieving kids don't. The idea that an academically oriented kid would be "bullied" at Yorktown for that reason sounds preposterous to me, unless the school climate has undergone a truly dramatic transformation over the last few years.

However, if you look at UMC kids from both schools, I believe their scores would be very similar. The difference in scores has to do with the economic diversity at WL.

Maybe. My point is simply that WL hasn't become a "better school" academically than Yorktown overall.

APS doesn't break down SAT scores by economic class -- they do it solely by race and gender. Using white as a proxy for UMC, which I hesitate to do, yes, the average white student at WL has had a slightly higher SAT score than at Yorktown over the last four years (1295 to 1270). But Yorktown tests on average 40 more white students a year than WL, which skews the numbers lower. And Yorktown's minorities -- Asian, Latino, and AA -- all test higher than WL's on average. So, in the end, the overall average score for Yorktown ends up being "marginally higher" -- 1238 versus 1217.

Bottom line: nothing suggests that WL has become "better" academically than Yorktown.

They are both good schools with plenty to challenge an academically inclined student. I looked at the SOL scores for not-economically-disadvantaged students and the scores are generally not that different. However W-L tends to be a few points higher in % pass advanced while Yorktown tend to be a few points higher in total % pass.

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Anonymous wrote:The academics are the same. The kids are different.

The kids aren’t even that different.

Yorktown is generally more rigorous. It’s racial demographics most closely match those of Arlington County overall. That said, WL is more racially diverse because it draws more students from less super-high income areas. Wakefield is probably the least diverse school in the county.

More Affluenza at Yorktown.

All schools are above average in terms of resources and curriculum. None of them are super feeders to ivies or anything like that but there are always a few acceptances, more recently from W-L.

Yorktown parents always like to tout this as if it's meaningful. Yorktown skews more white than the STUDENT population overall, which is the relevant metric.

Yorktown 65% White, 16% Hispanic, 11% low-income
W-L 44% white, 32% Hispanic, 23% low-income
Wakefield 26% white, 43% Hispanic, 19% Black, 32% low-income

Agree definitely more affluenza at Yorktown and it has a reputation of having more drug use (of course I know that goes on at all HSs)

I have no direct experience with Yorktown but went to a pretty universally high income HS myself and avoided Yorktown when we were house hunting for that reason. It contributed to a pretty toxic social culture. I like the greater SES diversity at W-L and my kids have friends across the spectrum.

Arlington doesn’t have a middle class, so it’s hardly a spectrum. It’s a tale of two cities.

Is it the same person who keeps posting this? It’s totally hilarious.

Yeah, its not like the county instituted housing study to address the missing middle.


https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Housing/Housing-Arlington/Tools/Missing-Middle
https://dcist.com/story/21/11/18/arlington-virginia-missing-middle-housing/
https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/caught-in-the-middle/

What exactly is the plan here? Teachers and firefighters and nurses want to live in SFH too, so building a lot of townhouses and condos priced for middle income will lay fallow or end up as group homes.

There are plenty of families who would prefer a SFH but end up in a townhouse or condo because that's what they can afford. They do not all sit empty or turn into group homes, come on, that is silly.

Really, rather than driving 5 miles to Fairfax and getting a SFH? Are that many middle class families commuting to DC? Townhouses are still $800k+

Uh, YES! Absolutely there are middle class families in Arlington who still commute to DC and don't want to move out to Fairfax! Where do you live that you don't know this? There are townhouses in S. Arlington you can still find in the 500s and 600s. Condo as well.

So you all have high school students?

And this thread was about two schools in N Arlington, sorry I am not up to date on S Arlington real estate.

Yes, I am in S. Arlington and zoned for W-L! Wow, you are really in your northern bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:The academics are the same. The kids are different.

The kids aren’t even that different.

Yorktown is generally more rigorous. It’s racial demographics most closely match those of Arlington County overall. That said, WL is more racially diverse because it draws more students from less super-high income areas. Wakefield is probably the least diverse school in the county.

More Affluenza at Yorktown.

All schools are above average in terms of resources and curriculum. None of them are super feeders to ivies or anything like that but there are always a few acceptances, more recently from W-L.

Yorktown parents always like to tout this as if it's meaningful. Yorktown skews more white than the STUDENT population overall, which is the relevant metric.

Yorktown 65% White, 16% Hispanic, 11% low-income
W-L 44% white, 32% Hispanic, 23% low-income
Wakefield 26% white, 43% Hispanic, 19% Black, 32% low-income

Agree definitely more affluenza at Yorktown and it has a reputation of having more drug use (of course I know that goes on at all HSs)

I have no direct experience with Yorktown but went to a pretty universally high income HS myself and avoided Yorktown when we were house hunting for that reason. It contributed to a pretty toxic social culture. I like the greater SES diversity at W-L and my kids have friends across the spectrum.

Arlington doesn’t have a middle class, so it’s hardly a spectrum. It’s a tale of two cities.

Is it the same person who keeps posting this? It’s totally hilarious.

Yeah, its not like the county instituted housing study to address the missing middle.


https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Housing/Housing-Arlington/Tools/Missing-Middle
https://dcist.com/story/21/11/18/arlington-virginia-missing-middle-housing/
https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/caught-in-the-middle/

What exactly is the plan here? Teachers and firefighters and nurses want to live in SFH too, so building a lot of townhouses and condos priced for middle income will lay fallow or end up as group homes.

There are plenty of families who would prefer a SFH but end up in a townhouse or condo because that's what they can afford. They do not all sit empty or turn into group homes, come on, that is silly.

Really, rather than driving 5 miles to Fairfax and getting a SFH? Are that many middle class families commuting to DC? Townhouses are still $800k+

Uh, YES! Absolutely there are middle class families in Arlington who still commute to DC and don't want to move out to Fairfax! Where do you live that you don't know this? There are townhouses in S. Arlington you can still find in the 500s and 600s. Condo as well.

So you all have high school students?

And this thread was about two schools in N Arlington, sorry I am not up to date on S Arlington real estate.

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Anonymous wrote:The academics are the same. The kids are different.

The kids aren’t even that different.

Yorktown is generally more rigorous. It’s racial demographics most closely match those of Arlington County overall. That said, WL is more racially diverse because it draws more students from less super-high income areas. Wakefield is probably the least diverse school in the county.

More Affluenza at Yorktown.

All schools are above average in terms of resources and curriculum. None of them are super feeders to ivies or anything like that but there are always a few acceptances, more recently from W-L.

Yorktown parents always like to tout this as if it's meaningful. Yorktown skews more white than the STUDENT population overall, which is the relevant metric.

Yorktown 65% White, 16% Hispanic, 11% low-income
W-L 44% white, 32% Hispanic, 23% low-income
Wakefield 26% white, 43% Hispanic, 19% Black, 32% low-income

Agree definitely more affluenza at Yorktown and it has a reputation of having more drug use (of course I know that goes on at all HSs)

I have no direct experience with Yorktown but went to a pretty universally high income HS myself and avoided Yorktown when we were house hunting for that reason. It contributed to a pretty toxic social culture. I like the greater SES diversity at W-L and my kids have friends across the spectrum.

Arlington doesn’t have a middle class, so it’s hardly a spectrum. It’s a tale of two cities.

Is it the same person who keeps posting this? It’s totally hilarious.

Yeah, its not like the county instituted housing study to address the missing middle.


https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Housing/Housing-Arlington/Tools/Missing-Middle
https://dcist.com/story/21/11/18/arlington-virginia-missing-middle-housing/
https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/caught-in-the-middle/

What exactly is the plan here? Teachers and firefighters and nurses want to live in SFH too, so building a lot of townhouses and condos priced for middle income will lay fallow or end up as group homes.

There are plenty of families who would prefer a SFH but end up in a townhouse or condo because that's what they can afford. They do not all sit empty or turn into group homes, come on, that is silly.

Really, rather than driving 5 miles to Fairfax and getting a SFH? Are that many middle class families commuting to DC? Townhouses are still $800k+

Uh, YES! Absolutely there are middle class families in Arlington who still commute to DC and don't want to move out to Fairfax! Where do you live that you don't know this? There are townhouses in S. Arlington you can still find in the 500s and 600s. Condo as well.

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Anonymous wrote:The academics are the same. The kids are different.

The kids aren’t even that different.

Yorktown is generally more rigorous. It’s racial demographics most closely match those of Arlington County overall. That said, WL is more racially diverse because it draws more students from less super-high income areas. Wakefield is probably the least diverse school in the county.

More Affluenza at Yorktown.

All schools are above average in terms of resources and curriculum. None of them are super feeders to ivies or anything like that but there are always a few acceptances, more recently from W-L.

Yorktown parents always like to tout this as if it's meaningful. Yorktown skews more white than the STUDENT population overall, which is the relevant metric.

Yorktown 65% White, 16% Hispanic, 11% low-income
W-L 44% white, 32% Hispanic, 23% low-income
Wakefield 26% white, 43% Hispanic, 19% Black, 32% low-income

Agree definitely more affluenza at Yorktown and it has a reputation of having more drug use (of course I know that goes on at all HSs)

I have no direct experience with Yorktown but went to a pretty universally high income HS myself and avoided Yorktown when we were house hunting for that reason. It contributed to a pretty toxic social culture. I like the greater SES diversity at W-L and my kids have friends across the spectrum.

Arlington doesn’t have a middle class, so it’s hardly a spectrum. It’s a tale of two cities.

Is it the same person who keeps posting this? It’s totally hilarious.

Yeah, its not like the county instituted housing study to address the missing middle.


https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Housing/Housing-Arlington/Tools/Missing-Middle
https://dcist.com/story/21/11/18/arlington-virginia-missing-middle-housing/
https://www.arlingtonmagazine.com/caught-in-the-middle/

What exactly is the plan here? Teachers and firefighters and nurses want to live in SFH too, so building a lot of townhouses and condos priced for middle income will lay fallow or end up as group homes.

There are plenty of families who would prefer a SFH but end up in a townhouse or condo because that's what they can afford. They do not all sit empty or turn into group homes, come on, that is silly.

Really, rather than driving 5 miles to Fairfax and getting a SFH? Are that many middle class families commuting to DC? Townhouses are still $800k+